Cardinals at Packers gameday thread 10-13-24

[cardcrazy]

Then, there is no reason to think we shouldn't be .500 or + the rest of the year.

No ….I didn’t see anything today that would indicate otherwise.
LOL

 

[Russ Smith]

I mean if there's one thing that's really super duper wrong with this team right now it's that we can get any pressure whatsoever with four.

We'll never win anything until we fix that.

That was the whole issue today and when we did get pressure it's because it was a screen and they let us come in.

Offense was bad but the defense my goodness, they did anything they wanted

 

[Chopper0080]

Yeah I put him like 12-14. That's about where he is paid now too. He's neither the solution or the problem

I am sure we (the board) could quibble about his exact spot, but I don't think the range of 12 to 16 is questionable.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I am sure we (the board) could quibble about his exact spot, but I don't think the range of 12 to 16 is questionable.

I would nitpick neither this ranking or his game.

 

[Chopper0080]

Let's go with your number of 16. Kyler is the 16th best QB. OK.

The ONLY position group we have on the roster that is better than top 16 is Tight End.

So every spot besides tight end needs to be upgraded before we think of replacing our "top 16" quarterback

I have said on multiple threads, Kyler isn't going anywhere until after 2025.

In terms of the roster...OL is down because of injuries, WR is mid. RB is top 16. S is top 16. ILB probably around top 16.

I was told this offseason that Monti was doing well...odd to see his supporters turn so quickly.

 

[Stout]

I have said on multiple threads, Kyler isn't going anywhere until after 2025.

In terms of the roster...OL is down because of injuries, WR is mid. RB is top 16. S is top 16. ILB probably around top 16.

I was told this offseason that Monti was doing well...odd to see his supporters turn so quickly.

Exactly. But no, no, we were being unreasonable. Patience! We will compete for a wild card spot in year 3!!!

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Petzing has to find a way to use Murray's legs.

Did not do enough again today.

If the defense is playing contain on the outside, then they have to run some QB draws. It's a little more dangerous to Murray , but with our WR1 struggling, we desperately need production.

Plus it juices the run game for the RBs and slows down the pass rush too.

DP, if you want to stay employed, you better find a way man.

 

[Mainstreet]

Petzing has to find a way to use Murray's legs.

Did not do enough again today.

If the defense is playing contain on the outside, then they have to run some QB draws. It's a little more dangerous to Murray , but with our WR1 struggling, we desperately need production.

Plus it juices the run game for the RBs and slows down the pass rush too.

DP, if you want to stay employed, you better find a way man.

I think you pointed out one of the Cardinals problems. They don't want Murray getting injured by running too much, which lessens the play book. And his legs are one of his biggest assets. I don't think he is going to be blocking, either.

 

[Chopper0080]

Petzing has to find a way to use Murray's legs.

Did not do enough again today.

If the defense is playing contain on the outside, then they have to run some QB draws. It's a little more dangerous to Murray , but with our WR1 struggling, we desperately need production.

Plus it juices the run game for the RBs and slows down the pass rush too.

DP, if you want to stay employed, you better find a way man.

I agree but Kyler also has to find a way to use his legs. Kyler's passive style of play is as much on him as it is on Petzing.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

I think you pointed out one of the Cardinals problems. They don't want Murray getting injured by running too much, which lessens the play book. And his legs are one of his biggest assets. I don't think he is going to be blocking, either.

Well then Mainstreet, he's not our guy.

I'm sorry, and I love the kid to death. I think he's supremely talented.

But if he can't take the contact required for seven to ten NFL carries a game, even often sliding, then we have to move on.

When K1 really turns the legs loose, it's lethal, and it's an acceptable trade off for him not being the type of QB to stand in the pocket and deliver balls while getting hit. He can do the latter only inconsistently. He'll never do like Warner or Palmer did.

Seven to ten designed carries per game is his formula for MVP, and for our path to the superbowl.

Less than that we're just wasting our time and his talent.

 

[ajcardfan]

No ….I didn’t see anything today that would indicate otherwise.
LOL

I was talking about before the season what I thought if we were 3-3 at this point. The defense is a lot worse than I thought it would be and I didn't think it would be all that good to begin with. I doubt we win 7 games.

 

[blindseyed]

This team came out flat and the coaching staff just let them struggle

Players got into a funk and started making mistakes

Full team and coaching effort in this loss

Sad to see this team regress after what we saw last week

Sadly this week is more of who we are then last weeks team

 

[Chopper0080]

Well then Mainstreet, he's not our guy.

I'm sorry, and I love the kid to death. I think he's supremely talented.

But if he can't take the contact required for seven to ten carries game, even often sliding, then we have to move on.

When K1 really turns the legs loose, it's lethal, and it's an acceptable trade off for him not being the type of QB to stand in the pocket and deliver balls while getting hit. He can do the latter only inconsistently. He'll never do like Warner or Palmer did.

Seven to ten designed carries per game is his formula for MVP, and for our path to the superbowl.

Less than that we're just wasting our time and his talent.

I agree with this. But again, Kyler also has to decide he wants to do this.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I agree but Kyler also has to find a way to use his legs. Kyler's passive style of play is as much on him as it is on Petzing.

There were a few plays where I saw room to run and Kyler was trying to make the big play down field.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

I agree with this. But again, Kyler also has to decide he wants to do this.

Okay, but how much flexibility does Murray have to call his own number in terms of a play like a QB draw?

I mean I don't know that much about the NFL OC/QB dynamic in terms of playing calling and audibiling and all of that, but surely Murray can only audible out of maybe 20% of the called plays without causing friction with his OC?

 

[Chopper0080]

Okay, but how much flexibility does Murray have to call his own number in terms of a play like a QB draw?

I mean I don't know that much about the NFL OC/QB dynamic in terms of playing calling and audibiling and all of that, but surely Murray can only audible out of maybe 20% of the called plays without causing friction with his OC?

There is a lot of read option in this offense, and Kyler can scramble any time he wants to. Three of these. Three designed plays by Petzing and one audible gets you to 7 carries.

 

[blindseyed]

Okay, but how much flexibility does Murray have to call his own number in terms of a play like a QB draw?

I mean I don't know that much about the NFL OC/QB dynamic in terms of playing calling and audibiling and all of that, but surely Murray can only audible out of maybe 20% of the called plays without causing friction with his OC?

According to Brady who called last weeks game, when talking to them said he has been given the Field general role (or something like that) to call plays at the line and change whatever he sees fit, Brady actually said it a few times during the game

 

[602 Native]

I agree but Kyler also has to find a way to use his legs. Kyler's passive style of play is as much on him as it is on Petzing.

I agree with this.

K1 has to realize there is zero shot of us winning without him being aggressive and taking charge. The bums on offense aren’t going to get the job done and it’s time to be the Alpha.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Never going to eclipse that with this playcalling. I can’t stress how identical this is to the browns Playcalling.. where he came from. It’s not working there w a plethora of weapons and certainly isn’t gonna work here w less talent around kyler

If he hits those deep passes he does. Just saying.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

No team with this little talent has a future with ANY quarterback.

Kyler is playing top 5 ball by most rating metrics this year.

The team around him is a talentless disaster, and the talent we DO have, like Trey McBride, is not utilized by the moronic coaching staff until we're down 3 touchdowns because we keep running Conner up the middle and have the worst defense in the league.

All is well! Kyler had a 97 QBR. Nothing to see here. [ignore the 13pts]. Move along! All is well!

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I thought we used up our "it was only one game" card vs Washington?

That was only one game. And this is only one game. Gosh, don’t you know anything?!?

 

[WisconsinCard]

Yea. The game where Rodgers purposely played bad to get McCarthy fired.

So not true

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I mean if there's one thing that's really super duper wrong with this team right now it's that we can get any pressure whatsoever with four.

We'll never win anything until we fix that.

There’s more wrong than that. We can’t stop the run either.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

If anyone needs to take a load off, the toidy is working fine now.

There’s plenty to flush

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Well then Mainstreet, he's not our guy.

I'm sorry, and I love the kid to death. I think he's supremely talented.

But if he can't take the contact required for seven to ten NFL carries a game, even often sliding, then we have to move on.

When K1 really turns the legs loose, it's lethal, and it's an acceptable trade off for him not being the type of QB to stand in the pocket and deliver balls while getting hit. He can do the latter only inconsistently. He'll never do like Warner or Palmer did.

Seven to ten designed carries per game is his formula for MVP, and for our path to the superbowl.

Less than that we're just wasting our time and his talent.

I believe he had 7 carries today. For 14 yards.