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Little confused on him. I'm hoping someone takes him so we have other choices, kind of.
Seconded. I'm like that with Branden Albert, as well. And kind of Rashard Mendenhall...
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Seconded. I'm like that with Branden Albert, as well. And kind of Rashard Mendenhall...
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I agree 100%. For all the praise Rivers gets, his #'s were still DOUBLED by Dan Connor.
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You might want to read what the FO says about BPA in the thread: To Start,Maybe Not.
Uh, oh. I think I may need to rethink my position.
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No you really do not have to building through the Draft is a great way to improve you team. But not by need year in year out. We have to start going for the BPA. More good athletes are usually better than by need.
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I sure hope not. Dennis Green proved that BPA blindly does not work.
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Thank You. Ya' think Parcells went BPA or needs first...of course they need a whole lot. I would suggest the BPA in the whole draft is McFadden, but without decent blocking we know that BPA becomes BPAWCRWB.
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If anything, he proved that it did. This team is a lot better of, because of his drafting.
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A lot of people are saying that Long, or Dorsey is a better prospect than McFadden.
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Well, kind of and kind of not. Yes, Dockett and Dansby and Lutui and Watson are fixtures. Elton Brown is a solid bench contributor. But Green and A. Smith may very well no longer be with the team in 10 months. Stepanovich, Leckey, Brandon Johnson, Lance Mitchell, LeRon McCoy, John Navarre, Daryl Blackstock, Jon Lewis, and Todd Watkins are already long gone.
Dennis Green had 21 picks in his time here. After only 3 years, 9 of them are off the team and maybe 5 of them are out of the league altogether.
Can't hold that against him.
You also failed to mention Fitz. That was a pure BPA pick.
Actually, I think that Cardinals have proven to be worse at trying to draft for need. See every draft under Mac and Tobin.
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I challenge you to do the same with Tobin/Mac drafts, and see how many were on the team using the same time frame.
Is anyone in doubt that the past few seasons has had some of the most, if not the most talented roster that we have had since we moved here because of Green's drafting.
The drafting and the free agents working out and the fact that the other teams were so HORRIBLE!!
I challenge you to do the same with Tobin/Mac drafts, and see how many were on the team using the same time frame.
Is anyone in doubt that the past few seasons has had some of the most, if not the most talented roster that we have had since we moved here because of Green's drafting.
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I can if the team decides that Smith and Green aren't worth keeping around. Why couldn't I? You have to keep your starting players.
Forgetting Fitz was an error. Although I wonder if "BPA" isn't at least a little mitigated by the "Friend's Son" factor. Phillip Rivers, Sean Taylor, and Ben Roethlisberger were all good prospects who have gone on to equivalent success, and maybe would have been smarter picks for the franchise.
The BPA approach is supposed to add valuable depth to your franchise, but all the depth players that Denny drafted have failed to pan out and have had to be replaced with more expensive free agents.
I challenge you to do the same with Tobin/Mac drafts, and see how many were on the team using the same time frame.
Is anyone in doubt that the past few seasons has had some of the most, if not the most talented roster that we have had since we moved here because of Green's drafting.
I guess, if you want to compare the squad to itself. But that doesn't make sense. If I'm grading hamburgers, I'm not going to grade my McDonald's hamburger against all the other Mickey D's burgers that I've had. I'm going to grade it against that delicious burger that I got at Four Peaks.
Rod Graves had so dismantled the roster in Dave McGinnis's final season that it was impossible not for the team to be better after two or three drafts. It's little surprise that the roster is better now.
When it comes to Ws and Ls, though, this is still a roster that plays down to the level of its competition. And that's still unacceptable.
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He means that they're good players, and if we don't keep them around it will be because of management's business decisions (or lack thereof), and not because they aren't good. If he's correct in that, then they absolutely count.
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Was that the case with the other guys whose contracts lapsed that we didn't retain? Daryl Blackstock? Brandon Johnson? Bryant Johnson?
I understand what you're saying: If they get a deal like Calvin Pace got, there's not a lot that you can do. But there are players whose contracts just expire, and then they disappear from the league.
Yes, you should keep your starting players. But when the teams don't, does that mean they're bad draft picks?
BTW, I understand drafting for need and how it enters into player evaluation. I'm just lean more towards a truer BPA.
I think some of it has been improved coaching as well both in Green and certainly now Wiz's staff
yes I know there were a couple of black holes in Greens staff but still better than previous.
Was that roster ever dismantled. Replaced the starting QB,RB,FB,WR,WR,WR,and C/LG and RLB,RDE,and FS.
However looking at what the Green draft picks have accomplished compared to the years 1997-2002 I would have to say that Green's drafts win by miles.
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here is what Graves has said regarding "the Plan"
he wants a core of 14 - 16 players to keep long term.
What that implies, is that of 22 starters, 6-8 of them are guys who cycle through.
As an example, as a third round pick -- if Eric Green starts, plays adequately for 3 of his 4 years with the team, and then moves on to another team because someone is willling to overpay -- does that make him a bad pick? I could argue either way.
he wants a core of 14 - 16 players to keep long term.
What that implies, is that of 22 starters, 6-8 of them are guys who cycle through.
As an example, as a third round pick -- if Eric Green starts, plays adequately for 3 of his 4 years with the team, and then moves on to another team because someone is willling to overpay -- does that make him a bad pick? I could argue either way.
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