Cardinals Free Agents + Full NFL List / 2012

Duckjake

LEGACY MEMBER
LEGACY MEMBER
Joined
Jun 10, 2002
Posts
32,190
Reaction score
317
Location
Texas
You are going to pay Meachem or Simpson or whomever 15% more to come here than you'd be paying Doucet to stay. Why does everyone think that Doucet is going to demand more money than these guys, when wanting him to stay is a minority opinion?

No, I'm saying the Cards can get someone better than Doucet.
 

Duckjake

LEGACY MEMBER
LEGACY MEMBER
Joined
Jun 10, 2002
Posts
32,190
Reaction score
317
Location
Texas
New Orleans also has Marques Colston, Robert Meachem, Lance Moore and Devery Henderson.

Texans have Jacoby Jones, and Owen Daniels.

Packers have Jordy Nelson and James Jones, both players that stretch the field.

Patriots have Welker and Aaron Hernandez.

If your point is that you don't have to spend a bunch of money to establish a solid passing game, then you are correct. But, that doesn't justify throwing 20 million at a player like Early Doucet whose stats are easily replaceable for half the price. (20 million was mentioned on another thread)

Facts are that Doucet is a totally replaceable player who doesn't bring anything unique to this team other than a knowledge of the offense. Unless he is willing to sign for a minimal amount, he isn't worth resigning even if it means drafting his replacement in the middle rounds.

That's what I'm saying too. :)
 

kerouac9

Klowned by Keim
Joined
Feb 14, 2003
Posts
38,916
Reaction score
31,061
Location
Gilbert, AZ
The teams who signed TJ Houshmanzadeh, Anquan Boldin, Randy Moss, Santonio Holmes, Braylon Edwards (twice!), Deion Branch, Chad Ochocinco, David Boston, and Mushin Muhammad respectfully disagree.

Man, you've really walled yourself into a corner on Doucet, haven't you? Only a minimum salary guy, huh? He steal your girl or something?
 

Duckjake

LEGACY MEMBER
LEGACY MEMBER
Joined
Jun 10, 2002
Posts
32,190
Reaction score
317
Location
Texas
The teams who signed TJ Houshmanzadeh, Anquan Boldin, Randy Moss, Santonio Holmes, Braylon Edwards (twice!), Deion Branch, Chad Ochocinco, David Boston, and Mushin Muhammad respectfully disagree.

Man, you've really walled yourself into a corner on Doucet, haven't you? Only a minimum salary guy, huh? He steal your girl or something?

The Cards let Boldin go. They let Breaston go. And people are saying the Cards don't even miss them. So why would letting Doucet go make any difference?

Put a Cardinal helmet on a guy as the number two and he'll get 500-700 yards. Doesn't matter who it is.
 

Cheesebeef

ASFN IDOL
Supporting Member
Joined
Jan 2, 2003
Posts
92,342
Reaction score
70,839
The teams who signed TJ Houshmanzadeh, Anquan Boldin, Randy Moss, Santonio Holmes, Braylon Edwards (twice!), Deion Branch, Chad Ochocinco, David Boston, and Mushin Muhammad respectfully disagree.

Boldin, Moss, Ochocinco, Muhammad, Housh were ALL over 30 when they went to new teams. Thus... players past their prime didn't produce as much. A shocking turn of events.

Holmes/Edwards were/are world reknown knuckleheads who never lived up to their talent level. Again, a shocking turn of events.

Boston actually had a decent season... then flamed out because of drugs. That wasn't FA/new system's fault.

Deion Branch was never anything all that special in NE when he was traded in the first place.

How do any of those guys have anything in common with looking at solid number 2 guys who have yet to reach their prime? Oh yeah... they don't.
 

Cheesebeef

ASFN IDOL
Supporting Member
Joined
Jan 2, 2003
Posts
92,342
Reaction score
70,839
(Finley is special but there's nothing special about Nelson or their other WR--they're no better or worse than Doucet).
In New England, it's Gronkowski and Brady.

the idea that Jordy Nelson, who put up 1300 yards and 15 TDs this year (while flourishing while Jennings was out) is no better or worse than Doucet who had multiple big drops in pressure situations this year or just flat out couldn't even stay on his own two feet isn't just laughable, it's a downright incredibly stupid comment.

Nelson is faster than Doucet, he's much bigger than Doucet and he's showed the ability to make big plays when it matters most.

i mean... the above is a mind-blowing statement.
 
OP
OP
Gee!

Gee!

BirdGang
Supporting Member
Joined
Nov 17, 2003
Posts
26,222
Reaction score
25
Location
Gee From The G
How much longer do you think the Cards can win games 19-13 or 21-19?

I guess the same could be applied to the reasoning of how much longer can the Cards continue to lose games 13-19 or 19-21?

First half of the season and second half were complete opposites.. But they won those games instead of losing them.. Now didnt they, Mr Negative.. Huh?
 
OP
OP
Gee!

Gee!

BirdGang
Supporting Member
Joined
Nov 17, 2003
Posts
26,222
Reaction score
25
Location
Gee From The G
Maybe if you repeat this in enough threads, it'll come true.

HAHA

Arent you the same dude that spreads your gospel for any particular player/Cards decision any chance you get.. Ya, I guess youd understand it when you see it since your the master of it..
 

Duckjake

LEGACY MEMBER
LEGACY MEMBER
Joined
Jun 10, 2002
Posts
32,190
Reaction score
317
Location
Texas
I guess the same could be applied to the reasoning of how much longer can the Cards continue to lose games 13-19 or 19-21?

First half of the season and second half were complete opposites.. But they won those games instead of losing them.. Now didnt they, Mr Negative.. Huh?

Who is being negative Mr. talking about the Cards losing?

I finally figured out where you get your screen name. After reading one of your posts people go "GEE what in the hell is he talking about?".
 
Last edited:
OP
OP
Gee!

Gee!

BirdGang
Supporting Member
Joined
Nov 17, 2003
Posts
26,222
Reaction score
25
Location
Gee From The G
Who is being negative Mr. talking about the Cards losing?

I see where you get your screen name. After reading one of your posts people go GEE what in the hell is he talking about.

Its your body of work on this here forum..
 

Duckjake

LEGACY MEMBER
LEGACY MEMBER
Joined
Jun 10, 2002
Posts
32,190
Reaction score
317
Location
Texas
Its your body of work on this here forum..

My body of work beat the Cowboys. It turned around the Defense.

What have your posts done for the team?
 
Last edited:

Duckjake

LEGACY MEMBER
LEGACY MEMBER
Joined
Jun 10, 2002
Posts
32,190
Reaction score
317
Location
Texas

At halftime of the Cowboys game Kolb had been playing terrible so I said I'll fix this and I posted that he was awful and should be cut immediately. As usual the Duckjake jinx worked to perfection.

I was also the one who told the Cards to draft Sam Acho and that he should be starting. As soon as Sackin' Sam comes in the Cards D starts kickin' and takin'.

In addition in praising the young guys on Defense back in August I refrained from mentioning anyone by name and jinxing them.

That's making posts work for the team.
 
OP
OP
Gee!

Gee!

BirdGang
Supporting Member
Joined
Nov 17, 2003
Posts
26,222
Reaction score
25
Location
Gee From The G
At halftime of the Cowboys game Kolb had been playing terrible so I said I'll fix this and I posted that he was awful and should be cut immediately. As usual the Duckjake jinx worked to perfection.

I was also the one who told the Cards to draft Sam Acho and that he should be starting. As soon as Sackin' Sam comes in the Cards D starts kickin' and takin'.

In addition in praising the young guys on Defense back in August I refrained from mentioning anyone by name and jinxing them.

That's making posts work for the team.

Ok
 

NJCardFan

ASFN Icon
Joined
Jul 14, 2005
Posts
14,974
Reaction score
2,968
Location
Bridgeton, NJ
Hamza Abdullah S 7 ARI UFA-keep but not a priority

D'Anthony Batiste T 5 ARI UFA-meh

Calais Campbell DE 4 ARI UFA-Definite sign right now. Stop playing and sign this guy.

Sean Considine S 7 ARI UFA-who?

Early Doucet WR 4 ARI UFA-sign as long as the money is right

Jay Feely K 11 ARI UFA-Sign as long as the money is right.

Clark Haggans OLB 12 ARI UFA-gone

Vonnie Holliday DE 14 ARI UFA-gone

Rashad Johnson S 3 ARI RFA-keep

Brandon Keith T 4 ARI UFA-I volunteer to personally drive this guy to any city in the country as long as it means he will no longer wear a Cardinal uniform.

Mike Leach LS 11 ARI UFA-gone

Deuce Lutui G 6 ARI UFA-keep. good, serviceable backup at worst

Richard Marshall CB 6 ARI UFA-keep

Joey Porter OLB 13 ARI UFA-buy

LaRod Stephens-Howling RB 3 ARI RFA-yes, yes, 1,000 times yes

Chester Taylor RB 10 ARI UFA-bye

Greg Toler CB 3 ARI RFA-definite keeper

Reggie Walker MLB 3 ARI RFA-meh

Pork Chop Womack G 11 ARI UFA-didn't realize he was still on this team so bye

Dave Zastudil P 10 ARI UFA-bye
 

Cbus cardsfan

Back to Back ASFN FFL Champion
Joined
May 14, 2002
Posts
21,600
Reaction score
7,948
In short I sign Meachem over Doucet because he brings a DIFFERENT set of skills to an offense that needs as many DIFFERENT types of weapons as poissible. He makes plays down the field rather than in the middle of the field. He forces safeties to play back rather than up which greatly effects the run game.
I agree with Meachem bringing a different dimension to the offense that is much needed. I'm of the mind to re-sign Doucet and add Meachem/Simpson. However, I think the Cards are going to give Doucet the Alan Branch treatment and just let him walk for no apparant good reason other than he had a good year in his contract year. Like Branch, Doucet should be easily re-signable if the Cards want him. Branch had a pretty good year in Seattle and I tink Doucet will have a good year wherever he ends up. I could see NE adding Doucet. He seems like their type of WR.

But back to my original point, why not have 4 good WR threats and a nice TE option(Housler) to really pressure the defenses? That's what NO and GB do.

If you think about it, the Cards don't really have to do a whole lot to be legit SB contenders next year. Their defense looks to be top 10 caliber and really re-signing Marshall and maybe some depth is all that is needed while adding a few players form the draft. Offensively, they really only need to make a couple moves. For the OL, re-sign Levi as RT, sign Bell as LT (make him your 1 FA big ticket target), draft DeCastro and the OL could be a strength. The only other necessities would be re-sign Doucet and add Meachem/Simpson.

So other than just re-signing their own, a hard concept for Graves to grasp, they add Bell and a WR and they are a very strong team. Of course they may want to add that Manning guy and then be SB favorites :D
 

Vermont Maverick

Registered
Joined
Apr 24, 2006
Posts
1,861
Reaction score
181
Location
Williston, Vermont
I’m late to the party on this thread. This is a good one.

You suck. (I'm ecstatic for sure now)

Hmmm…


Since Roberts is already under contract, we might as well keep him out of the two. We need to find a speedy, spread-the-field #2 WR in the offseason, and they're more than available in free agency. Garcon would be my choice.

I really don’t care for Garcon’s pointing at his name on his jersey act. Selfish. One thing I love about our team is that we don’t have any of those guys.

We have something special at WR already. His name is Larry Fitzgerald. We have another something potentially special at TE named Rob Housler.



The offense isn't going to improve until the team commits to running the ball first

I hope you are right with Housler, and I WANT to believe. However, what is saw is a guy with no hands. His speed is nice, and he was able to get open – when he could get on the field, but color me unimpressed so far.

I’m guessing you are on the DeCastro bandwagon? I am.

Let Doucet get overpaid based on 1 good year by someone else.

I agree with this. Doucet had a huge game in the playoff against Green Bay. He stayed healthy this year, and had decent numbers (not great of course). Someone is going to put those two together with our weak quarterbacking an think Doucet can be something special. He will get a Breaston-like contract.

I struggle with what we need our second receiver to be. Right now we have two slot types. On the one hand, a field stretcher would be nice (like Garcon – though I hate his act - or Meacham), but with weak offensive line pass pro, we need a lot of quick release stuff. There’s no time to get down field. However, if we can establish the run game, that might open up things down field.
 

oaken1

Stone Cold
Supporting Member
Banned from P+R
Joined
Mar 13, 2004
Posts
18,598
Reaction score
16,943
Location
Modesto, California
I still do not understand why you all keep referring to Doucet as a "slot type" WR....maybe I am old school,...but the way I see it,...Doucet or Roberts should be on the outside.......in the slot, we need a dude who runs a 4.3 40....or 4.2 if available, who can catch at least half the balls thrown his way....combined with a fast TE who can catch............... that puts 4 receiving threats on the field,....the two in the middle who have the speed to stretch the field and pull the safeties away from the outside guys.....that gets you single coverage on the outside as well as your RB matched one on one with a LB in the middle of the field with lots of wiggle room.

The slot guy is supposed to be fast... Doucet and Roberts are not what I consider a fast receiver.

However,...IMO it will not take much money to keep Doucet on the team...if that is the case then we should keep him......or sign him to a reasonable deal, then package him with a fifth round pick and trade him to the Raiders who can use an underneath type WR and whose slowest WR is faster than any we currently have..

Not sure what the team will do with Early,...but I am pretty certain we will see a fast WR drafted this year.....pending what we do with our first pick.....a WR will come in either the third or fourth round
 

Duckjake

LEGACY MEMBER
LEGACY MEMBER
Joined
Jun 10, 2002
Posts
32,190
Reaction score
317
Location
Texas
The #1 thing the Cards need at WR is a guy who can get open quickly to beat blitzes. We don't have that. Other teams' DE's are quicker off the los than our WRs.

Far too often I saw a defender or 2 or 3 in our QBs face and he had no hot route receiver anywhere. All the WRs still had their backs to the QB.
 

Diamondback Jay

Psalms 23:1
Joined
Feb 28, 2004
Posts
4,910
Reaction score
1
Location
Mesa
Still nothing special.

Doucet couldn't even get half as many yards as Fitz. David Nelson with Buffalo had the same numbers and I never heard of him. Some yahoo named Titus Young had more TDs. Another yahoo named Brandon LaFell had more catches over 20 yards. 15 Tight Ends had more yards receiving. Laurent Robinson had as many catches. Laurent Robinson????

Breaston replaced Boldin 700 yards. Doucet replaced Breaston 700 yards. 700 with 'em. 700 without 'em.

:p

I wouldn't exactly call Young a "yahoo." Guy was a second round pick who got some first round consideration in last year's draft.

Also, Young has Matthew Stafford throwing him the football... LaFell has Cam Newton throwing him the football... Robinson has Tony Romo. Doucet has Kevin Kolb and John Skelton. Two of these things are unlike the others.
 

Duckjake

LEGACY MEMBER
LEGACY MEMBER
Joined
Jun 10, 2002
Posts
32,190
Reaction score
317
Location
Texas
I wouldn't exactly call Young a "yahoo." Guy was a second round pick who got some first round consideration in last year's draft.

Also, Young has Matthew Stafford throwing him the football... LaFell has Cam Newton throwing him the football... Robinson has Tony Romo. Doucet has Kevin Kolb and John Skelton. Two of these things are unlike the others.

Wait I thought Kevin Kolb was a top15 QB? Stafford was overrated and Cam Newton was going to wash out in the NFL as soon as teams got film on him. And that Tony Romo is a choke artist. Meanwhile Fitz has a career high in receiving yards with Kolb and Skelton throwing to him.

As for Titus Young yeah the draft sites and message boards were abuzz with Titus Young news it was almost Tebow level. Never heard of him until yesterday.
 
Last edited:

Latest posts

Staff online

Forum statistics

Threads
557,494
Posts
5,447,518
Members
6,335
Latest member
zbeaster
Top