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Robert Meachen was freaking DYNAMIC tonight. 3 catches for 18 yards when Brees dropped back 60 times?!

If you can get the #5 or 6 option in the Saints' offense to be your #2 WR, that's something you've GOT to do.
 

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Robert Meachen was freaking DYNAMIC tonight. 3 catches for 18 yards when Brees dropped back 60 times?!

If you can get the #5 or 6 option in the Saints' offense to be your #2 WR, that's something you've GOT to do.
In Doucet's last game he had 1 catch for 7 yards out of 40 attempts. Pretty freakin' dynamic if you ask me. I want Doucet back but it's pretty stupid to judge any player on a single game.
 

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Cbus - That is an awesome postscript (I guess that what it is called). I just noticed it, maybe it's been there for awhile, I don't know. Anyway, tremendous.
 

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In Doucet's last game he had 1 catch for 7 yards out of 40 attempts. Pretty freakin' dynamic if you ask me. I want Doucet back but it's pretty stupid to judge any player on a single game.


I'm not arguing that Meachem is vastly superior or preferable to Early Doucet. My argument is that you're better off keeping the guy you have and going with the known quantity, especially when you've won seven of the last nine with the known quantity.

Are you ready to admit being wrong about Alex Smith yet?
 

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I'm not arguing that Meachem is vastly superior or preferable to Early Doucet. My argument is that you're better off keeping the guy you have and going with the known quantity, especially when you've won seven of the last nine with the known quantity.

Are you ready to admit being wrong about Alex Smith yet?
Nope, like I said in another thread, he played well yesterday but one game doesn't erase 7 years of below average QB play. There are plenty of suspect/mediocre QB's who have played well in a playoff game. I used Mark Rypien and Jeff Hostettler as 2 examples.

As for Meachem and Doucet, I've said I want them both and don't think either will be high ticket signings. If not Meachem, a guy like him, Jerome Simpson.
 

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Cbus - That is an awesome postscript (I guess that what it is called). I just noticed it, maybe it's been there for awhile, I don't know. Anyway, tremendous.
Thanks. I used to tell my wife I was right 97% of the time. Of course, she would say it's more like 9.7%. Sad thing is she's probably right. :sad:
 

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I'm not arguing that Meachem is vastly superior or preferable to Early Doucet. My argument is that you're better off keeping the guy you have and going with the known quantity, especially when you've won seven of the last nine with the known quantity.

Can't argue with that. No doubt the Cards would have been better off keeping Boldin and Breaston instead of going with Roberts and Doucet. Especially with Roberts a rookie and the only thing known about Doucet was that he kept getting hurt.
 
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I'm not arguing that Meachem is vastly superior or preferable to Early Doucet. My argument is that you're better off keeping the guy you have and going with the known quantity, especially when you've won seven of the last nine with the known quantity.

Are you ready to admit being wrong about Alex Smith yet?

are you ready to admit you were wrong about Sanchez yet? Wasn't it you who was beating his chest that Sanchez was a top 10 QB and a winner and that everyone was going to look like idiots when the Jets ripped off wins the rest of the way because their schedule was so easy... oh yeah... what happened there? Sanchez looked like absolute crap and the Jets had one of the great end of season meltdowns in a long time.

i look forward to your spinning, angry, likely personal attack-tinged response to the above.
 

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are you ready to admit you were wrong about Sanchez yet? Wasn't it you who was beating his chest that Sanchez was a top 10 QB and a winner and that everyone was going to look like idiots when the Jets ripped off wins the rest of the way because their schedule was so easy... oh yeah... what happened there? Sanchez looked like absolute crap and the Jets had one of the great end of season meltdowns in a long time.

i look forward to your spinning, angry, likely personal attack-tinged response to the above.

Isn't this the kind of ad hominem baiting that you generally object to when it comes from other posters? Weird.

Anyway, I think in my QB power rankings around mid-season, I had Sanchez at like 12 or 13. I think that's probably where I'd still have him now--a little above average. If suggesting that a guy who'd been to consecutive AFC Championship games might be in the lower echelon of top QBs is "beating my chest", the I guess that's what I was doing. Although that's a pretty low bar to clear.

As for the Jets season? They were pretty much a .500 team all the way through. Ended up at 8-5 after going on a three-game win streak against three of the worst teams in the NFL (BUF, @WAS, KC), then struggled in three tough games (@PHI, NYG--currently leading 15-1 Green Bay, and @MIA). The Jets needed help to make the playoffs at the end of the year, and don't think they would've been in even if they'd one against Miami. If that's an epic collapse on par with the 2009 Mets, then, again, that's a pretty low bar to clear.

As for Sanchez himself, he set career highs for completion percentage, yardage, TDs, and passer rating, despite having a running game in decline and a garbage offensive line (seriously, expect that fans here are going to be begging for D'Brickashaw Ferguson once he gets released for salary purposes this offseason--despite the fact that he's basically Levi Brown already). He's not good enough to put that offense on his shoulders yet, but I didn't really expect him to be.

After Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Manning, Romo, Cutler, Rivers, Vick, Stafford, and Newton, I think you're in the Sanchez conversation. I'd probably rather have Alex Smith than Sanchez, but maybe CBus would disagree. I'd rather have Sanchez than Kolb, Skelton, Bradford, T. Jackson, C. Ponder, B. Gabbert, D. Orlovsky, Carson Palmer, Tim Tebow, Matt Cassell, and Ryan Fitzpatrick.

So Sanchez resides somewhere in the creamy middle of NFL quarterbacks. If you're really going to get after me about something, you should be all over me about falling in love with Josh Freeman. What happened to that guy this season?

Finally, I'd add that arguing about whether Mark Sanchez is the 11th or 20th best quarterback in the NFL is a little different than arguing whether or not the quarterback that just lead his team to a 14-2 record and outdueled Drew Brees is "useless" and "garbage."
 

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The Cardinals also have some exclusive rights free agents:
Rich Bartell
Max Hall
Alfonso Smith
Stephen Williams
Daryl Talley
Brandon Williams
A.J. Jefferson

Cards need to be sure and hold on to Alphonso Smith and A.J. Jefferson.

Former Cards playing today: Antonio Smith, Anquan Boldin and Antrell Rolle.


:D
 

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I like Sanchez but think he's overrated. However, I know it's ahrd to say a former #1 pick in underrated but I think Eli Manning is on of the more underrated QB's in the league. I've always liked him but, prior to this year, you could probably have a hard time convincing people he was a top 10 QB.

As for Alex Smith, I gave him credit for Saturday. He played like an upper level QB. However, when the entire offense all year was based on limiting his chances to cost the team a game, I'm not ready to make him a top 10 QB. Maybe he'll start living up to the #1 overall pick, but nothing he has done in his career to this point makes me think he's anything more than a game manager and I'm not going to change my opinion of him because he lit up a below average Saints defense. And he really didn't light them up, except for the 2 big catch and runs to VD, but he did make those plays and had a nice TD run so I won't take anything away from him.
 

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I like Sanchez but think he's overrated. However, I know it's ahrd to say a former #1 pick in underrated but I think Eli Manning is on of the more underrated QB's in the league. I've always liked him but, prior to this year, you could probably have a hard time convincing people he was a top 10 QB.

As for Alex Smith, I gave him credit for Saturday. He played like an upper level QB. However, when the entire offense all year was based on limiting his chances to cost the team a game, I'm not ready to make him a top 10 QB. Maybe he'll start living up to the #1 overall pick, but nothing he has done in his career to this point makes me think he's anything more than a game manager and I'm not going to change my opinion of him because he lit up a below average Saints defense. And he really didn't light them up, except for the 2 big catch and runs to VD, but he did make those plays and had a nice TD run so I won't take anything away from him.

My biggest issue with Sanchez is that I don't think that he puts in the work. I think that their conservative offense and solid defense have made him complacent at QB. I don't have any articles to confirm this, but players don't regress in consecutive years if they are constantly working hard to improve.
 

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So Cards fans....whats the pulse on LSH?
Peterson has obviously erased his value in the return game,you're returning Wells and Ryan Williams....do ya'll think he'll be a high priority in the offseason?
 

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So Cards fans....whats the pulse on LSH?
Peterson has obviously erased his value in the return game,you're returning Wells and Ryan Williams....do ya'll think he'll be a high priority in the offseason?


I would wager that we give him a tender and do not let him leave. he is our best gunner, great as a 3rd down/change of pace guy and utnil williams and beanie show how to be healthy, LSH is a great fallback.

trade u for bradford.
 

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Thanks. I used to tell my wife I was right 97% of the time. Of course, she would say it's more like 9.7%. Sad thing is she's probably right. :sad:

No, she is not.

She just kept talking, regardless if it made sense or not, until you got tired of defending the 45,874,897 points and challenges she threw at you that had nothing to do with what you were talking about, and admitted you were wrong just to end the madness.

It is a tactic used by generation after generation.

It is not that you are wrong, it is that there are few things you care about enough to talk about it for the 15 hours that you would have to, in order for you to "be right" about a situation.
 

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So Cards fans....whats the pulse on LSH?
Peterson has obviously erased his value in the return game,you're returning Wells and Ryan Williams....do ya'll think he'll be a high priority in the offseason?

Nope.

He is a restricted free agent, and will be tendered, and will be a Cardinal next year.

Now the year after will be the question.
 

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who the hell were you guys watching this year? Doucet is a non-factor who can't even stay on his own feet or make a big catch when it matters.

I see a receiver that nearly led the NFL in 3rd down passes converted for 1st downs. :shrug:
 

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the idea that Jordy Nelson, who put up 1300 yards and 15 TDs this year (while flourishing while Jennings was out) is no better or worse than Doucet who had multiple big drops in pressure situations this year or just flat out couldn't even stay on his own two feet isn't just laughable, it's a downright incredibly stupid comment.

Nelson is faster than Doucet, he's much bigger than Doucet and he's showed the ability to make big plays when it matters most.

i mean... the above is a mind-blowing statement.

This however, I do agree with.
 

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Led the nfl first half. fell off second half. no complaints.

Even if it were only for a half a season, still counters his point of not making clutch catches when it matters.
 

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I see a receiver that nearly led the NFL in 3rd down passes converted for 1st downs. :shrug:

Where did you find that stat? Hard to believe considering the Cards were 29th in 3rd down conversion %. And 27th in # of 3rd down conversions. Plus there were a lot of receivers with twice as many catches for first downs than Doucet.

But it could happen.
 
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Still can't find that stat on 3rd down/1st down numbers but Advancednflstats.com had Doucet ranked 72nd and Roberts 76th overall among NFL receivers for 2011.





Based on Win Probability Added whatever the heck that is. :D
 

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