Cardinals Head Coaching Candidates 2023

[RON_IN_OC]

His career record of 25-31-1 says he isn't a consistent winning QB at the NFL level, and his one season with a winning record is the outlier at this point in time. Jay Cutler had two seasons with a winning record so the same argument could have been made for him but ultimately he was who he was. Talented but underachieving.

At this point, I take Daniel Jones over Kyler Murray.

Dude is 21-32-1 60.3% Comp 60TD 34INT (Passing) 12RushingTD's
Murray is 67% Comp 84TD 41INT (Passing) 23RushingTD's

 

[Chopper0080]

12-25 was before this year.

It's now 22- 32 - 1

Kyler is 25 - 31 - 1

And...Daniel Jones actually won a playoff game.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Painted ourselves in a corner, we did. Best scenario is fixing Kyler...anything else is a long term proposition.

What I think you and @Chopper0080 aren't understanding is that I don't think the Cardinals are going to "fix" him.

Their only path is to wait until they can move on and improve the fundamentals of the team.

Make him early career Russell Wilson.

 

[BritCard]

If Cam Newton can do this, Kyler Murray can.

Why? What evidence is there that Newton wasn't a hard worker and studied hard?

Newton also came into it at 22, not 26.

 

[SoonerLou]

Yes, 4k yards and thank you.

To this point, Kyler's NFL career is a lot of coulda, woulda, and shoulda. I am over it. For me, after 4 years, he is what he is until he shows something different.

I just think Kyler being an unlikable guy (to you and a few others) makes people overlook how unstable the franchise has been for the 4 years he's been here.

I remember reading Carolina fans debating a whole lot of woulda, coulda, shoulda with Christian McCaffrey.
Lions fans doing the same with Matthew Stafford.

Kyler wasnt able to overcome Keim. Lets see if Monti can make this a more stable environment.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Dude is 21-32-1 60.3% Comp 60TD 34INT (Passing) 12RushingTD's
Murray is 67% Comp 84TD 41INT (Passing) 23RushingTD's

It's crazy to say Jones is better. He's better and tripping over his own feet in the open field.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

And...Daniel Jones actually won a playoff game.

Weird that it took better coaching, to get him to just be average, though. Imagine Murray with better coaching and more natural talent.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Why? What evidence is there that Newton wasn't a hard worker and studied hard?

Newton also came into it at 22, not 26.

Are you serious? Newton never really improved throughout his career.

 

[Chopper0080]

Daniel Jones doesn't do anything better.

Not a damn statistic in his career backs up anything you are saying.

1-1 in the playoffs with Isaiah Hodgins as his best WR.

 

[DVontel]

Giving that entitled bum that big contract may have been one of the dumbest moves in the history of sports.

This is the Johnny that’s been missing the past couple of days. Welcome back.

 

[GatorAZ]

The Giants beat reporter was on Phoenix radio yesterday and said Kafka is well liked but isn’t sure he’s the type of alpha/leader to be a HC. Sound familiar?

Callahan having worked with a wide range of QB’s is intriguing but the only young guy he’s worked with is Burrow. It’s difficult to asses his impact on Burrow’s development considering he came into the the with the emotional poise and leadership of a ten year vet. There was no need to be part coach/part psychologist. Kyler is a different animal.

How would we feel about Lou Amarumo & Greg Roman?

 

[BritCard]

Are you serious? Newton never really improved throughout his career.

Because he started on fire.

 

[DVontel]

The Giants beat reporter was on Phoenix radio yesterday and said Kafka is well liked but isn’t sure he’s the type of alpha/leader to be a HC. Sound familiar?

Callahan having worked with a wide range of QB’s is intriguing but the only young guy he’s worked with is Burrow. It’s difficult to asses his impact on Burrow’s development considering he came into the the with the emotional poise and leadership of a ten year vet. There was no need to be part coach/part psychologist. Kyler is a different animal.

How would we feel about Lou Amarumo & Greg Roman?

Hell to the no regarding Greg Roman.

I’m good with Lou.

 

[bankybruce]

Daniel Jones doesn't do anything better.

Not a damn statistic in his career backs up anything you are saying.

He definitely tackles himself better

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[RON_IN_OC]

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[Chopper0080]

Weird that it took better coaching, to get him to just be average, though. Imagine Murray with better coaching and more natural talent.

Is Brian Daboll walking through the door? If not, saying Kyler is going to get top level offensive coaching is wishful thinking.

 

[JohnnyCakes]

If Cam Newton can do this, Kyler Murray can.

Craziest thing ive read on here.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

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Still not sure how I feel about Glenn, but could warm up to the idea of:

HC: Glenn
DC: Flores or Evero
OC: Caldwell
QB Coach: Garrett Riley

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Is Brian Daboll walking through the door? If not, saying Kyler is going to get top level offensive coaching is wishful thinking.

What was the book on Daboll last year, during the hiring process? Was he known to be a savior in New York?

 

[JohnnyCakes]

This is the Johnny that’s been missing the past couple of days. Welcome back.

your jokes are as average as the player in your avatar

 

[Krangodnzr]

1-1 in the playoffs with Isaiah Hodgins as his best WR.

A two game sample size.

 

[Chopper0080]

What was the book on Daboll last year, during the hiring process? Was he known to be a savior in New York?

Yes.

 

[football karma]

What I think you and @Chopper0080 aren't understanding is that I don't think the Cardinals are going to "fix" him.

Their only path is to wait until they can move on and improve the fundamentals of the team.

Make him early career Russell Wilson.

maybe

i think it comes down to the assessment of what happened to him in the later 5 games of 2021 and all of 2022-- because the 2020 and first 10 games of 2021 version of Kyler Murray has a great deal to like.

Could it be that he got his big contract and mailed it in? maybe, but that doesnt explain 2021.

It should be pointed out that the first 10 games of 2021 were the best offensive line he played behind in his NFL career. The later half of 2021 and 2022 was when the offensive line revolving door hit its high point.

correlation doesnt prove causation, but its worth noting.

Its also worth noting that Matt Stafford won a SB when his o-line was healthy all year -- and this year between Whitworth retiring and their revolving door on the line, the offense was a shambles.

 

[Chopper0080]

A two game sample size.

Kyler's 1 game sample size isn't better.

 

[SoonerLou]

Weird that it took better coaching, to get him to just be average, though. Imagine Murray with better coaching and more natural talent.

Kyler's first game was against a p'od Super Bowl champion Rams. He looked awful.

Daniel Jones against possible super bowl champion Eagles looked gawd awful.

I think we have a different outlook if we faced the Cowboys instead of the Rams. But such is the life of Bird City.

And Kliff openly treating the Seahawks game like a preseason game.