Cardinals @ Jaguars postgame thread

[Stout]

In the bad old days, almost every Cards team I can remember would've folded at 19-10 and that interception. I don't care who we were playing. Instead this team got a stop, and then BAM..... we have a TD drive following the INT and defense outscores the Jags offense 7-0.

At LEAST these guys have some fight and character in the face of adversity.

Yeah. I love KM as QB, but he really stepped on his own Richard with that INT. Truly boneheaded, an awful decision and throw, and one he should never, ever repeat. Also a horrific time for a pick like that. Really put us behind the 8-ball. Thankfully we didn't fold after.

 

[SoonerLou]

I also think without kyler running amok like last season we are seeing what many of us were arguing when we said we weren’t a good running team. Right now kyler isn’t running much. And voila! We aren’t a good running team.

Really hope the plan was to work on the passing game the first 3 weeks and "save" all the Kyler running/hits for the next 3 weeks.

 

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[BritCard]

One thing not talked about enough because a delay of game ruled it out was one of the dumbest coaching decisions I've ever seen.

How do the Jags leave both gunners uncovered on 4th down? It wasn't a mistake. They called it because those guys were lined up to rush the kicker. What did they think was going to happen? That nobody would see two open guys?

It was actually really dumb that we messed that opportunity up with a stupid delay of game call.

 

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[football karma]

Felt like 2019 Kliff with lots of quick 5 yard passes as if we were up against the Bucs D line.

get used to it

this is what is open when the defense plays 2 high, keep everything in front of you defense

 

[Russ Smith]

Thank you for bringing this up. D Hop definitely got the first down!

Not only that after running out of bounds on a completion he was pushed down by a sideline player, yet no unnecessary roughness penalty was called. However they called one on Simmons for simply making a tackle and then lifting up his arm after the tackle. It was such a tiktak call!

Then later when Kyler was rushing in the red zone he gets a face-mask penalty that they don’t call.

I was disappointed by the refs.

I thought the Simmons call was legit, D hop did get knocked down and yes Kyler got facemasked.

I think something about yesterdays crew positioning wise explains the spots. Either we were getting weird camera angles that fooled us, or the refs were out of position

 

[PACardsFan]

Again, we had a couple of bs penalties in the 1st half that brought back big plays & negated scoring opportunities. We started a couple of drives inside our own 10. In order to be competitive with the Rams, that crap has to stop.

 

[PACardsFan]

Thats what always been so pathetic about Kliff and Kyler. Kliff has been annoying him since HS, and trying to convince him he was some sort of offensive genius. Kyler has always chosen to go a different direction, and probably thinks Kliff is highly overrated.

If we fire Kliff at the end of the season, its time to do what you can to get Lincoln Riley. He will bolt to the NFL in the next couple of years having to go to the SEC.

Agree 100%. I don’t believe for a second that Kyler is sold on KK. Riley is getting a lot of grief at OU these days as their offense has been quite inept this season. If he’s a legit HC, I think he can be poached after this season. And Murray does like Riley. All this being said, currently Kliff isn’t going anywhere. The next 3 games will tell us a lot about how the rest of the season goes. 4 of our first 6 games are road games, with 3 of them being east coast 1 pm games. Meanwhile, the Rams are playing 3 out of their first 4 games at home.

 

[speedy]

Remember those days of being known as the best 5-11 team in the NFL? lol

Careful bro- we might be the best 6-11 team this year!

 

[Russ Smith]

Again, we had a couple of bs penalties in the 1st half that brought back big plays & negated scoring opportunities. We started a couple of drives inside our own 10. In order to be competitive with the Rams, that crap has to stop.

Just hard to know what you're going to get. Look at the Kupp TD in the redzone for the Rams yesterday and tell me that pick is any more legal than the pick they called that wiped out the pass to Hop? The difference is where it happened so condensed in the redzone the refs allow picks where they won't in midfield but I think ours was actually closer to the LOS than theirs was.

An aside, I really wonder if we even knew it was 3rd and 1 after the bad spot on the Hopkins catch? I assume we did but the play call instead of just running it had me wondering if we didn't know it was 3rd down and ran our first down play?

 

[SoonerLou]

Agree 100%. I don’t believe for a second that Kyler is sold on KK. Riley is getting a lot of grief at OU these days as their offense has been quite inept this season. If he’s a legit HC, I think he can be poached after this season. And Murray does like Riley. All this being said, currently Kliff isn’t going anywhere. The next 3 games will tell us a lot about how the rest of the season goes. 4 of our first 6 games are road games, with 3 of them being east coast 1 pm games. Meanwhile, the Rams are playing 3 out of their first 4 games at home.

The problem at OU is Spencer Rattler. He just hasnt improved as much as you'd like. And he think he's far more athletic than he really is. They are trying to improve his timing and precision, but he hasnt taken to it yet. The downside of a guy eyeing the NFL.

Baker, Kyler, and Jalen Hurts were not even viewed as 2nd round picks before their final year in college.

 

[Russ Smith]

The problem at OU is Spencer Rattler. He just hasnt improved as much as you'd like. And he think he's far more athletic than he really is. They are trying to improve his timing and precision, but he hasnt taken to it yet. The downside of a guy eyeing the NFL.

Baker, Kyler, and Jalen Hurts were not even viewed as 2nd round picks before their final year in college.

I watched a bunch of the game Saturday, Rattler isn't the runner the other guys are but to be fair the talent is down across the offense. THe OL, WR's, RBs aren't even close to what they had a couple of years back.

 

[PACardsFan]

NFL officiating has always, and I mean always, benefitted the better teams. Certain teams always get calls, and certain teams never get calls. The Ravens/Lions game yesterday was a perfect example. It’s like that in every sport too. When Maddox was on the mound, all he had to do was sniff the plate & the umps called it a strike. Frustrating, but just a reality. As a Cardinal fan, I never get excited immediately after a big play, because I’m waiting for the yellow FLAG to hit the bottom of the TV screen. And that crap has been going on for as long as I’ve been a Cardinal fan. And that’s a very long time.

 

[football karma]

after 20 hours or so:


lots not to like about a two score win, but also this isnt unique to the Cardinals.

the Cards and the Ravens were the two biggest road favorites: Cards -6.5, Ravens -7.5

the Ravens have maybe the best FO in football and a top tier HC in John Harbaugh... choked up a two score lead in the 4th quarter, needed a 4th-19 conversion AND an NFL record FG at the buzzer to win.

to me -- the thing that made yesterday an acceptable win was after the Murphy INT return to take a five point lead:

defense forces a three and out.

the Cards offense takes over with a bit under 14 minutes left in the game -- and it still in doubt. They go on an 11 play, near 7 minute drive for a TD that effectively put the game away.

 

[BritCard]

get used to it

this is what is open when the defense plays 2 high, keep everything in front of you defense

There's more available than instant 5 yard passes in 2 high.

I'm not saying we should have been throwing 30 yard passes all game but we can at least hit the seam between LB and safety rather than take the quick pass every time.

 

[BritCard]

after 20 hours or so:


lots not to like about a two score win, but also this isnt unique to the Cardinals.

the Cards and the Ravens were the two biggest road favorites: Cards -6.5, Ravens -7.5

the Ravens have maybe the best FO in football and a top tier HC in John Harbaugh... choked up a two score lead in the 4th quarter, needed a 4th-19 conversion AND an NFL record FG at the buzzer to win.

to me -- the thing that made yesterday an acceptable win was after the Murphy INT return to take a five point lead:

defense forces a three and out.

the Cards offense takes over with a bit under 14 minutes left in the game -- and it still in doubt. They go on an 11 play, near 7 minute drive for a TD that effectively put the game away.

All this is true, but the Jags are also the worst team in the league and we made them look competent for 3 quarters.

 

[SoonerLou]

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[Ronin]

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[BritCard]

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It's weird how most of us would say we played better against the Vikings yet by some distance PFF grades are far higher.

Also with Kirk playing the way he is he really needs to be on the field more.

 

[PACardsFan]

It's weird how most of us would say we played better against the Vikings yet by some distance PFF grades are far higher.

Also with Kirk playing the way he is he really needs to be on the field more.

If not for the bs call against Williams, we likely would have been up 14-0, and that game would have been decided earlier. The 3rd & 1 dropped pass by Green also slowed down our offense. Just a couple plays/penalties kept this game closer than it should have. After rewatching the 1st half, the offense was so close to breaking out earlier than it did. We CANNOT have that happen against the Rams, because their D will make it difficult to rally. Donald becomes even more dominant when he knows what you’re doing.

 

[football karma]

If not for the bs call against Williams

random rant:

and this is across the NFL -- why cant they teach the "pick" receiver to at least look like they are trying to run a route?

if Maxx squares in and faces the QB looking like he wants a pass, i dont think he gets a flag

 

[slanidrac16]

random rant:

and this is across the NFL -- why cant they teach the "pick" receiver to at least look like they are trying to run a route?

if Maxx squares in and faces the QB looking like he wants a pass, i dont think he gets a flag

I watched a packer Wr blocking a defender 6 yards down the field before the Wr caught the ball… no call. Very arbitrary.

 

[PACardsFan]

random rant:

and this is across the NFL -- why cant they teach the "pick" receiver to at least look like they are trying to run a route?

if Maxx squares in and faces the QB looking like he wants a pass, i dont think he gets a flag

What Maxx did was perfectly legal as long as it was inside 3 yards of the LOS. And it certainly appeared he was.

 

[GatorAZ]

The problem at OU is Spencer Rattler. He just hasnt improved as much as you'd like. And he think he's far more athletic than he really is. They are trying to improve his timing and precision, but he hasnt taken to it yet. The downside of a guy eyeing the NFL.

Baker, Kyler, and Jalen Hurts were not even viewed as 2nd round picks before their final year in college.

That’s a good thing if you’re a OU fan. If he was 25% better he’d probably be the best QB prospect this year in a terrible QB class.