My hunch is that BA and HG told SK that they were good with Hump, Iupati, Shipley, Boehm and Veldheer...with swing backups T/G Wetzel and C/G Toner.
Unfortunately, I think you may be correct.
My hunch is that BA and HG told SK that they were good with Hump, Iupati, Shipley, Boehm and Veldheer...with swing backups T/G Wetzel and C/G Toner.
If Palmer and Fitz retire, the Cardinals will have a lot of cap space to sign free agents. Some of those positions are probably more conducive to being filled with free agents than draftees anyway.The worst part is historically you need 1st or 2nd rounders to get a quality QB, WR, RT, LT, CB2, or DE. So we need 7 of those picks and we have 2, and no extra picks in any upcoming years. This team is probably facing a long rebuild.
The only question I have is whether BA and HC told SK they felt they were set on the OL, other than to draft a G and T as developmental depth guys. BA has always been explicit about what he wants---and it would seem pretty obvious that, for example, BA wanted C A.Q. Shipley back, whereas Keim had already thought ahead and drafted Evan Boehm to be the starting center on 2017.
My hunch is that BA and HG told SK that they were good with Hump, Iupati, Shipley, Boehm and Veldheer...with swing backups T/G Wetzel and C/G Toner.
And in today's press conference, BA mentioned that Watford will likely replace Boehm, who is a "natural center", at RG.
*sigh*
He did have the best OL grade week one. But, his play has declined steadily since. Boehm would not have been my choice to start at RG going into this season. Was he yours? I was surprised the Cardinals thought of him as such. I thought that with David Johnson as RB, the Cardinals would even make a run at Kevin Zeitler, the best G in the draft. In my off-season wish FA wish lists I was also hoping the Cardinals would sign Larry Watford, T.J. Lang, Ronald Leary or Mike Harris.
To hear Goodwin revert back to calling Boehm a center was just what I and many others on this board questioned all along. So, yeah, if you want to call me a hypocrite, go ahead.
I’m going to start out by admitting I have a predisposition toward mean lineman. I guess that harkens back to my old days watching the great line in STL. Dobler & company were as mean as they came. No one wanted to play them. Now D-lines like Dallas & LA intimidate the Cards’ line. Humphries is soft he was soft in college & he’ll be soft in AZ. I don’t believe in ragging a player for not playing hurt. Pain tolerance is not just about toughness. It’s a mindset. However on the field he doesn’t play mean. He’s too cerebral for my taste.
One thing the Cards’ linemen have in common is bad footwork. It’s true some of this is coaching, but much of it is agility.
Veldheer, Humphries and Watford have bad footwork. I heard the Cards went gaga over Humphries’ Pro Day. So they didn’t anticipate footwork would be a problem. If they’d dug a little deeper they’d have found Humphries doesn’t love the game and I personally don’t believe he has applied himself to fix the problem.
Veldheer once had okay footwork but injuries and natural wear & tear have left him unable to handle speed rushers.
Watford was released for poor footwork and a lack of strength. His re-signing was the “Any port in a storm theory.”
Iupati was done by the second half of last year; one too many injuries.
Shipley looks worse because he’s had weak guards on either side. He makes good blocking adjustment calls and anchors decently. Boehm, as I’ve mentioned in recent posts never belonged at Guard. He lacks the agility. At Center he’s a brawler. He’ll be a decent backup, but I’m not sure he becomes a starter. I don’t think Shipley is a great Center, but he’d be okay on a real line. I think they were concerned about a Boehm making the blocking calls.
Boone is a competent pass blocker and coupled with Shipley they could help prevent some of the middle line penetration. I think eventually Wetzel starts at RG.
With Iupati gone there is no longer a linemen that can pull effectively or drive block. Seen a sweep lately? They can barely run a screen.
I agree with Mitch. This O-line will need to be totally rebuilt. I hope they do it with mean linemen not a bunch of Pillsbury Doughboys.
I agree, just pointing out how he was doing well and now has seemed to regress. I did think he was the best choice after Dorian was cut, was hoping that he would take the position and move Boehm to center. He fooled me too, in fact I was thinking he was about the best o-lineman we have. Now I hope that isn't true.
Not calling you a hypocrite, I'm just saying he fooled us all including the coaches it seems. And now hindsight is easy to see we were all wrong. Just seemed you were calling out the coaches for being wrong when indeed we all were.
Long snapper?? I think Brewer has been good and he’ll be healthy next year
I agree that Goodwin, Amos Jones and Betcher can go. Keim needs to fire them whether Arians likes it or not. I would keep Arians though. Lets see the o-line finishes the season before wanting to get rid of everyone. I figured it would take Veldheer half the season to get good on the right side and he is getting better each week. Hopefully Humphries stays healthy and has a good year.IMO OC/OL coach Goodwin is a joke. He has been in charge of the OL for the past 5 years. Cards need to do a complete house cleaning of their coaching staff in the off season starting with Goodwin, Bettcher and Amos Jones. Arians won't fire them as he doesn't hold his coaches accountable. Keim needs to take the lead on this for sure. Additionally, its time for BA to retire.
I read about all this bad coaching, but as I recall (I think), that was originally a strong point with this regime when they were first hired?
How soon some forget....