Cards Bird Seed 2/16/08

[Stout]

Guys, relax. Our FO is a little slow, but they've figured out that Whis is the real deal now, and he's got the keys to the mansion. None of this would happen without his approval. And, you know what? Unless it's just an incredibly obvious stupid move, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. Relax. Let's see how it pans out.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

So why not fly and meet him for an interview there? This makes no sense to me. If both Whis and Butler wanted to make the Cardinal marriage happen, I really dont get this...

I don't get this either. What would be the harm in waiting a few weeks until he's healed well enough?

If Carthon has his heart set on going to KC, he might as well be let go. Looks like one more position that will need to be filled.

 

[joeshmo]

So why not fly and meet him for an interview there? This makes no sense to me. If both Whis and Butler wanted to make the Cardinal marriage happen, I really dont get this...

I see it this way. It wasnt about him flying down here for an interview. Its about Butler wanting to fully take the reigns of the job and not have to phone confrence his way through the combine and free agency, which does not replace actually being there actually talking eye to eye with these coaches and players. Having to of spent time in the hospital for a length of time for a major surgery also tends to change your priorities at the time. His priorites at the time could have change, or Wiz priorites could have change. Thats all nothing more nothing less, no other theories to try and find here IMO.

 

[joeshmo]

So a DC is still unnamed but it will likely be Butler. At least that's how I read it.

Also, count me thrilled overrated loser Al Saunders is not coming here. Overall, I like it.

Edit #2. Please let Carthon go. Sure, he's a Parcells favorite but seems to be a worthless coach.

It will likely not be Butler. If that is how I implied it I apologize because thats the opposite of what I wanted to get accross according to what Jurecki stated.

Al Saunders could still be coming here. He interviewed for the WR position which would be vacant with Mike Miller move to a passing coordinator role. Also the other coach interviewed for that supposed vacant WR coach spot was the Rutgers OC not Boston Colleges OC.

I could care one way or the other if Carthon left.

Also Wiz would call plays with Grimms input.

Also I hope they hire Grimm an assistant to help with the OL. Or at minimum hire a Offense Quaility control coach that can help teach the OL. Sort of like Ward would help with the WR's and TE's.

 

[joeshmo]

Since the FO is saving so much money by not hiring an OC they should perhaps consider letting Whis hire an OL assistant for Grimm. joe- what is the status on Saunders? Is he still under consideration?

Not sure how much money they will be saving. I assume Grimm and Mike Miller would get slight raises for their new roles and titles. Plus they still have to get a new coach to replace Mike Millers old position, so it isnt like they will have fewer coaches. It will be some savings though because Haley was making some pretty good money and I doubt all of the moves we make get up to the same amount.

As for Saunders I have no idea. He just said he interviewed for it.

 

[joeshmo]

It's curious that Maurice Carthon wants to make a lateral move to be the KC RB coach. On the one hand, he and Haley were from the Parcells camp...yet, on the other, wasn't it Carthon who scouted Tim Hightower, urged the team to draft him and went right to work grooming him?

If Miller was promoted to passing game corrdinator, why wasn't Dedric Ward re-assigned to the WR job, which he is taking at KC?

It does seem odd with Carthon having draft the guy he wanted just last year.

As for Ward, maybe Wiz just didnt want him in that WR coach role. Maybe he wanted to go another direction, maybe KC wants to pay him more so Wiz wont stop that, maybe Wiz will let Haley have Ward with a wink, wink deal that Haley not take Carthon, or plenty of other maybe's.

Again its not all set in stone until Wednesday. We should be talking about this stuff in terms of IF it happens not that it already has happened. No contracts have been signed yet to my knowledge.

 

[joeshmo]

Ive seen this pointed out by a few fans now...

Can someone fill me on as why this "Predator" position is being talked about like it's some amazing role that was created that led to sack after sack after sack??

To be knowledge we sucked at rushing the QB all season, and the predators weren't all that effective... so why are people acting like this "Predator" position is some item of genius?

Maybe because Pendy wasnt using a full predator 3-4 defense. He was using a 4-3 D with some predator 3-4 D mixed it. Also it isnt a position really, although there is a guy named predator LB, it is really a bigger picture of a whole defensive concept.

 

[JeffGollin]

I'd give it 50-50 odds that the team won't suffer due to these moves (if in fact they happen).

But I have to concede that there are zero things that have happened so far to jump up and do a dance over.

 

[82CardsGrad]

I'd give it 50-50 odds that the team won't suffer due to these moves (if in fact they happen).

But I have to concede that there are zero things that have happened so far to jump up and do a dance over.

Even the best of franchises who get to a Super Bowl, serious;y struggle the next season to even come closen to where they were the season before. We are most certainly not one of the better franchises, and with the dizzying amouont of crap we are dealing with thus far in this off season, Whiz would truly be the second coming of Lombardi if he were somehow able to get this team anywhere close to to Super Bowl next season...
Not saying he can't do it. But I can't believe that after a season where we were less than 3 minutes from a Super Bowl victory, that I have just as many - scratch that, MORE - questions and concerns than I did heading into last season... Man this team makes it SO DAMM HARD!!!

 

[Duckjake]

Even the best of franchises who get to a Super Bowl, serious;y struggle the next season to even come closen to where they were the season before. We are most certainly not one of the better franchises, and with the dizzying amouont of crap we are dealing with thus far in this off season, Whiz would truly be the second coming of Lombardi if he were somehow able to get this team anywhere close to to Super Bowl next season...
Not saying he can't do it. But I can't believe that after a season where we were less than 3 minutes from a Super Bowl victory, that I have just as many - scratch that, MORE - questions and concerns than I did heading into last season... Man this team makes it SO DAMM HARD!!!

Only in the NFC for some reason. The NFC had lost 6 of the last 8 SuperBowls and every team that lost except Seattle was either 6-10 or 7-9 the next season. Oddly enough every single team had a winning record the following year (2 seasons after their SB).

Meanwhile the Steelers,Colts and Patriots continue to win in the AFC every year having a combined 182-58 record over the last 5 seasons.

 

[BACH]

So a DC is still unnamed but it will likely be Butler. At least that's how I read it.

Also, count me thrilled overrated loser Al Saunders is not coming here. Overall, I like it.

Edit #2. Please let Carthon go. Sure, he's a Parcells favorite but seems to be a worthless coach.

Worthless is pushing it IMO. As a OC perhaps.. But not as a RB coach.

 

[conraddobler]

Al Saunders was an OC under Vermeil in KC.

He's be an awesome hire.

Carl Peterson and him got into it after Dick retired when Carl wouldn't make him the HC, or even interview him, kinda got banished after that but he ran a ridiculous offense, that's when KC couldn't stop my grandma on defense.

 

[Renz]

If Davis was a slam dunk I think it would have been announced by now. Davis may still get the job, but it seems that other names are still in play. Maybe Whis is taking one last run at Butler.

 

[Mitch]

If Davis was a slam dunk I think it would have been announced by now. Davis may still get the job, but it seems that other names are still in play. Maybe Whis is taking one last run at Butler.

Yes, and maybe Whiz is considering John Mitchell (Steelers' defensive line coach) or Ray Horton (Steelers' defensive backs coach).

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Al Saunders was an OC under Vermeil in KC.

He's be an awesome hire.

Carl Peterson and him got into it after Dick retired when Carl wouldn't make him the HC, or even interview him, kinda got banished after that but he ran a ridiculous offense, that's when KC couldn't stop my grandma on defense.

Not as an OC. He was run out of Washington because his offensive playbook is like 500 pages long and too intricate to pick up in a year. Besides what Saunders likes to do would be against Wiz's offensive philosophy IMO.

As a Offensive Quality Control coach? Yes. In fcat Urban mentioned the possible hiring as a way of enticing Warner to come back with something he is famliar with.

 

[joeshmo]

If Davis was a slam dunk I think it would have been announced by now. Davis may still get the job, but it seems that other names are still in play. Maybe Whis is taking one last run at Butler.

Actually Sommers in his recent blog stated a pretty good reason for not having any anouncements yet. Mike Bidwill is out of town on business and of course he has to sign off on the deals. Wether thats the real reason or not it seems pretty plausible.

 

[joeshmo]

Not as an OC. He was run out of Washington because his offensive playbook is like 500 pages long and too intricate to pick up in a year. Besides what Saunders likes to do would be against Wiz's offensive philosophy IMO.

As a Offensive Quality Control coach? Yes. In fcat Urban mentioned the possible hiring as a way of enticing Warner to come back with something he is famliar with.

Saunders would be WR coach. OQC's are usually younger intern types waiting for their first break.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Saunders would be WR coach. OQC's are usually younger intern types waiting for their first break.

Well if thats the case that would be a pretty smart stepping stone place.

Those WR's will make you look damn good.

 

[Burg72]

Every report we hear has a common point...that Whiz wants his staff put together before the combine. That time is right now so I guess we'll see.

 

[lobo]

Not as an OC. He was run out of Washington because his offensive playbook is like 500 pages long and too intricate to pick up in a year. Besides what Saunders likes to do would be against Wiz's offensive philosophy IMO.

I remember that quite well...you are spot on. There is a place in the organization for him as a WR coach or something where he can use his playbook as a booster for a little kid in a restaurant. He has been around a long time and would be a plus.

 

[Redsz]

My goodness, how quickly Al Saunders has been forgotten. He was the OC for KC when they had that amazing ground game. He would be a quality coach to have on staff in a positional capacity.