Cards get Adrian Peterson in trade with New Orleans

[kerouac9]

It’s not just the 6th round pick. It was making a trade for a vet that’s not going to be here long but was here long enough to help us win two meaningless games that further sunk our draft position so we will now either have to spend more draft capital to move up to get a QB we ALL knew we would need, miss out on a good qb, or take a flier on a project later in the draft. See how there’s a domino effect there?

For me, what's done is done. But to think that there's any legitimate argument to bring Adrian Peterson back in 2018 is folly. He got outperformed by Kerwynn Williams! He's not good at football anymore.

Let him go; you can replace him for $800k.

 

[az jam]

For me, what's done is done. But to think that there's any legitimate argument to bring Adrian Peterson back in 2018 is folly. He got outperformed by Kerwynn Williams! He's not good at football anymore.

Let him go; you can replace him for $800k.

Heck, Elijhaa Penny is also better at this time. Good short distance backup.

 

[cardncubfan]

If you can’t see how games and drafts are interrelated for long term success I don’t see how we can have an intelligent conversation on the topic. It’s not a zero sum game.

I know exactly how they are related. It's more of a preference to see your team win when they are playing but if they lose so be it. I don't want to see my team dog it just to get a better draft slot. The draft is a crap shoot anyway. You can have the #1 overall pick & choose the #1 consensus best player, #1 can't miss in the draft, & still have them fail.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Palmer before he retired was lacking but still a much better QB than Eli is now. Eli reminds me of Bradshaw, never wowed me but made key plays when it counted and for that he deserves some respect and he deserves to be called a winner but judging his play of late, Eli needs to retire because in my opinion Alex Smith would be better currently which says a lot... I would not trade him for Fitzgerald who is still productive and a game changer

I did not mean to trade Fitz for Eli now, I meant at the time they were drafted.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I did not mean to trade Fitz for Eli now, I meant at the time they were drafted.

Dig

 

[WisconsinCard]

I guess we will see, right? If we have to expend additional draft capital to move up and get a qb I was right. If we stand pat and a QB falls to us but one drafted higher up ends up being a considerably better qb, I was right. But I don’t suspect any of you to ever admit it. It seems the only ones who ever come on here and give a mea culpa are the realists who get bashed by the koolaiders all the time. I don’t think I’ve ever read a kookaider say, “yup, you were right. I was wrong.”

My point is we won't ever see/know, you cant change history. You don't know who we'll draft at 15 or who we would draft at 5 if we had that pick. I said nobody is right and nobody is wrong, in the end it just their opinion.

 

[WisconsinCard]

“Sign a young QB in free agency. . . “ lol. WHO IS THAT?!?

Teddy Bridgewater, Kurt Cousins, Case Keenum there are numerous possibilities.

 

[WisconsinCard]

You’re right. Sometimes a couple short-sighted wins mean lower draft position, worse ability to upgrade your talent, and a string of mediocre seasons.

This is just trolling at it's finest. Calling win shortsighted and it doesn't prevent your ability to upgrade talent. You're are more likely to draft a bust than to draft a pro-bowler.

 

[WisconsinCard]

I get you prefer short-term reward to long-term success. I think you’re incredibly short-sighted and think you set your goals at too low a level. But that’s your prerogative. We obviously approach sports differently from one and other.

Again then why doesn't Cleveland have the most talented roster in the league?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Again then why doesn't Cleveland have the most talented roster in the league?

Because they have morons running the team... even going so far to bring a baseball FAILURE to run a football team.

 

[Cheesebeef]

This is just trolling at it's finest. Calling win shortsighted and it doesn't prevent your ability to upgrade talent. You're are more likely to draft a bust than to draft a pro-bowler.

Trolling? Because he disagrees with you? Get a grip.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Teddy Bridgewater, Kurt Cousins, Case Keenum there are numerous possibilities.

Teddy Bridgewater is BEYOND damaged goods. Kirk Cousins ISNT Young he’s 29 and would literally eat up our entire cap and Case Keenum is a one hit wonder.

Wanting to sign any of those guys keeps us exactly where we are... at best. 8 meaningless wins that will keep us in NFL purgatory. Those 8 individual wins might give you the warm and fuzzies each time they happen, but forgive some of us who want more than that.

 

[TJ]

Teddy Bridgewater, Kurt Cousins, Case Keenum there are numerous possibilities.

Is Kurt Cousins the cheaper, more reliable brother of Kirk Cousins?

 

[Solar7]

Teddy Bridgewater is BEYOND damaged goods. Kirk Cousins ISNT Young he’s 29 and would literally eat up our entire cap and Case Keenum is a one hit wonder.

Wanting to sign any of those guys keeps us exactly where we are... at best. 8 meaningless wins that will keep us in NFL purgatory. Those 8 individual wins might give you the warm and fuzzies each time they happen, but forgive some of us who want more than that.

Bridgewater isn't going to break the bank to bring on. Keenum probably won't be available.

But, we can make Cousins work here. Palmer was getting paid just a few million less per year, and the cap keeps increasing. We can also defer some of the money to next year and align with the end of Fitz's contract.

 

[oaken1]

our draft slot shows exactly where we are...mediocre.... unless we get really lucky continuing to draft between 12 and 20 will keep us mediocre.

the trick about the draft is that it aint just about the first round. You maintain your draft position in each round.
Most drafts are between 50 and 100 deep for quality players. Usually the top 5 or 10 are considered "Blue Chip" players,... then another 10 or 15 "red chip" players, then around 80 "contributors". The numbers vary from draft to draft but the gist is the same.

If you are drafting in the top 5 of each round that allows you to pick a blue chipper, possibly a red chipper, and a couple contributors in your first four picks.

Drafting around 15 gets you a red chipper and a couple contributors and a project in your first four rounds.

You can get lucky..... thats what happens when we see runs in the draft... Team A has so and so corner as their favorite in round one but the team in front of them goes off script and picks him, so they get scared and draft a lesser corner,... which then dominoes and has a couple more teams reach for corners before they are all gone... even though they were planning to draft a linebacker... now suddenly that fancy linebacker slides into draft territory nobody thought he would see.
You can get lucky. It happens. But generally speaking better draft position allows you your choice of better players. You just have to be smart enough to pick them.

Is Steve Keim smart enough to pick them?? Remains to be seen. But history has shown us that so far the Browns are not... which is part of the reason why they are always at the top of the draft.

 

[oaken1]

Bridgewater isn't going to break the bank to bring on. Keenum probably won't be available.

But, we can make Cousins work here. Palmer was getting paid just a few million less per year, and the cap keeps increasing. We can also defer some of the money to next year and align with the end of Fitz's contract.

right now we have over $100mil available next season anyway. It is pretty clear SK was planning for this rebuild to be next season.

 

[DVontel]

Bridgewater isn't going to break the bank to bring on. Keenum probably won't be available.

But, we can make Cousins work here. Palmer was getting paid just a few million less per year, and the cap keeps increasing. We can also defer some of the money to next year and align with the end of Fitz's contract.

Can I get your thoughts on this please?

From Redskins’ reddit:

“I'm not paying a QB 30 Million who's bad in December & Shows no dominance in the Division. Put money on the defense and draft defense. Nothing has changed for Kirk other than that bumass market. Not even much better than Sam Bradford.

Kirk Cousins 2017

vs NFC East: - 64% comp 9 TDs 9 INTs 74 PR 1-5 WL in December: - 56% comp 6 TDs 5 INTs 75 PR 2-2 WL

Since 2015

Kirk Cousins 4.8 TD% 1.98 INT%, 22-21-1 W-L

Andy Dalton 4.8 TD% 1.76 INT%, 21-19-1 W-L

Why is the narrative so different between these two? Ryan Tannehill has similar stats too.(I knew I'd be downvoted without a response).“

 

[oaken1]

Can I get your thoughts on this please?

looks like tony romo numbers for december, lol

 

[Solar7]

Can I get your thoughts on this please?

For sure.

I want to preface this with three silly things - my dad is a diehard Redskins fan, and grits his teeth to root for the Cards with me at many games, despite hating them during the Coryell years. I was supposed to Hail Victory - there's baby pictures of me in Skins gear - but here I am, a Cards fan since I was able to articulate my feelings. Second, Kirk Cousins led me to my first championship in a fantasy league I've been in for 15 years, that I'd been the runner-up in for 6/15. My ex is an MSU fan.

My point is, I've been exposed to a large amount of Kirk Cousins.

I won't argue that he's struggled against the NFC East, but I will argue that his team has let him down. I'm not a huge fan of citing his 2017 numbers, because the talent they gave him is just atrocious. The talent on the other side of the ball is poor. And Gruden's coaching acumen is questionable. The funny thing is, in terms of game flow, they don't pass the ball all that much outside of scenarios that put Cousins in awful positions. He finds a way to make it happen, and he throws a beautifully catchable deep ball, even though the delivery looks funky.

The guy can't win games all on his own. That entire team is deflated by questionable coaching and personnel, and I'll fight until the end of days to say that Washington's lack of talent is on account of spending so many picks to move up, plus making terrible moves like signing Haynesworth to $100 million contracts.

Cousins is a pretty measured leader with just the right tinge of passion. If he makes it onto the right team, he's going to be awesome. I truly think he's the next Brees.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Teddy Bridgewater, Kurt Cousins, Case Keenum there are numerous possibilities.

So a devastating injury, a 29 year old, and a one-year wonder with a history of putridity.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

This is just trolling at it's finest. Calling win shortsighted and it doesn't prevent your ability to upgrade talent. You're are more likely to draft a bust than to draft a pro-bowler.

Your disdain for the draft leads me to believe you would rather trade all draft picks for whatever veterans we can get because we know what we are getting there.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

For those of you that enjoyed the 2-3 wins that likely cost us the draft position to optimize the qb position, I analogous it thusly:

You know that you’ve got a decaying wall on your house. You don’t want to face that eventuality because you “want to live in te now” so you keep sparkling it so you can enjoy the short term. Then the wall finally collapses and destroys a portion of your home.

I’d rather admit the issue, tear up the wall and deal with the ugliness now so I can enjoy a perfect house for the long term.

 

[oaken1]

For those of you that enjoyed the 2-3 wins that likely cost us the draft position to optimize the qb position, I analogous it thusly:

You know that you’ve got a decaying wall on your house. You don’t want to face that eventuality because you “want to live in te now” so you keep sparkling it so you can enjoy the short term. Then the wall finally collapses and destroys a portion of your home.

I’d rather admit the issue, tear up the wall and deal with the ugliness now so I can enjoy a perfect house for the long term.

I am sensing some friday night PWI going on....are you also "sparkled"...?

 

[Jetstream Green]

our draft slot shows exactly where we are...mediocre.... unless we get really lucky continuing to draft between 12 and 20 will keep us mediocre.

the trick about the draft is that it aint just about the first round. You maintain your draft position in each round.
Most drafts are between 50 and 100 deep for quality players. Usually the top 5 or 10 are considered "Blue Chip" players,... then another 10 or 15 "red chip" players, then around 80 "contributors". The numbers vary from draft to draft but the gist is the same.

If you are drafting in the top 5 of each round that allows you to pick a blue chipper, possibly a red chipper, and a couple contributors in your first four picks.

Drafting around 15 gets you a red chipper and a couple contributors and a project in your first four rounds.

You can get lucky..... thats what happens when we see runs in the draft... Team A has so and so corner as their favorite in round one but the team in front of them goes off script and picks him, so they get scared and draft a lesser corner,... which then dominoes and has a couple more teams reach for corners before they are all gone... even though they were planning to draft a linebacker... now suddenly that fancy linebacker slides into draft territory nobody thought he would see.
You can get lucky. It happens. But generally speaking better draft position allows you your choice of better players. You just have to be smart enough to pick them.

Is Steve Keim smart enough to pick them?? Remains to be seen. But history has shown us that so far the Browns are not... which is part of the reason why they are always at the top of the draft.

Our franchise should not accept being mediocre, a competitive comfort zone of being alright. There are risks one has to take from taking a down and out team to competitive, from taking the that team to greatness. The attitude of this franchise should be willing to take the risk to be great and not get satisfied being in a mediocre cycle which is what will happen if they do not attempt to get a stud young QB. I do not think Michael wants to be mediocre, at least I hope not

 

[oaken1]

Our franchise should not accept being mediocre, a competitive comfort zone of being alright. There are risks one has to take from taking a down and out team to competitive, from taking the that team to greatness. The attitude of this franchise should be willing to take the risk to be great and not get satisfied being in a mediocre cycle which is what will happen if they do not attempt to get a stud young QB. I do not think Michael wants to be mediocre, at least I hope not

I agree Jet.
I dont want to be a playoff team.

I want them to be Champions. I want to know what its like to have my team make the super bowl 4 or 5 times in ten years. I want to know what its like to win one... then maybe win a second one.
They dont have to do what the Pats have done... but a run like Green Bay or Pittsburgh has had over the last twenty years would be nice... even a decade like Indy had with Peyton.

I would really like for them to be good...good long enough that officials look the other way for us like they do for NE,...like they did for dallas for years... you dont get that advantage only being good one or two seasons at a time... it takes sustained excellence to sway officials into your corner.