Cards get Adrian Peterson in trade with New Orleans

[Stout]

That one trade for a 6th round pick did all that? I think not, it was a culmination of five years that pulled all of that off, and to say "many of us" means nothing, as there were just as many that liked it. No one is right and no one is wrong, it's their belief. I am of the opinion you play to win, who cares about the draft, some say it cost us a chance at a QBOTF. What happens is we sign a young QB in free agency then we are not going to draft a QBOTF in the first round. Who knows what will happen, so I live for the moment as if it were my last.

I wasn't referencing the Peterson trade, but the 'win now' approach to last year's offseason. Sorry--I read my last message and I realize I hadn't made that clear.

 

[cardncubfan]

You play to win games not drafts.

 

[Chopper0080]

Peterson singlehandedly won 2 games for AZ.
He’s got the goods

It makes me sad that you believe this.

 

[Chopper0080]

This organization lacks self awareness. If the goal is to be an 8-8 team, making moves like the one we made to get Adrian Peterson is the right move to make. That would never be my goal, which is why I never would have made that move. Bidwill and Keim have said that their goal is to win a championship. That move made it more difficult for them to achieve that goal. Either they are telling the fans what they want to hear, or they aren't aware of what they are putting on the field.

 

[JeffGollin]

AP update -

I don't know if this was posted, but a short piece on neck injuries (not sure if it was NFLN or ESPN) reported that - unlike a few other players whose careers ended or were jepardized due to neck injuries -.Adrian should be good to go for next season and was looking forward to playing.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Go ask BA if those wins were bad. Go ask Michael Bidwill if he would have rather lost those two games. I get your point, but to say it cost us this or that is flat out wrong, and to say that you're" right" is really wrong. Nobody will ever know if it costs anything because it didn't happen. It could have just as easily have benefitted us. If we draft a QB this year at 15 or round 2 or whenever and he turns out to be the next Brady, then those wins saved us from drafting maybe another Jamarcus Russell. Who knows...Nobody!

I guess we will see, right? If we have to expend additional draft capital to move up and get a qb I was right. If we stand pat and a QB falls to us but one drafted higher up ends up being a considerably better qb, I was right. But I don’t suspect any of you to ever admit it. It seems the only ones who ever come on here and give a mea culpa are the realists who get bashed by the koolaiders all the time. I don’t think I’ve ever read a kookaider say, “yup, you were right. I was wrong.”

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

NO such thing as a meaningless win...IMO

You’re right. Sometimes a couple short-sighted wins mean lower draft position, worse ability to upgrade your talent, and a string of mediocre seasons.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

That one trade for a 6th round pick did all that? I think not, it was a culmination of five years that pulled all of that off, and to say "many of us" means nothing, as there were just as many that liked it. No one is right and no one is wrong, it's their belief. I am of the opinion you play to win, who cares about the draft, some say it cost us a chance at a QBOTF. What happens is we sign a young QB in free agency then we are not going to draft a QBOTF in the first round. Who knows what will happen, so I live for the moment as if it were my last.

“Sign a young QB in free agency. . . “ lol. WHO IS THAT?!?

 

[mjb21aztd]

Wouldn't mind seeing Peterson stay one more yr will give Johnson some rest. But I don't see Peterson staying to be a backup maybe if fitz stays. Going to be a rollercoaster offseason!

Also probably will determine who new q b is.... just please no cousins to a 70 million or more deal ugh if that happens.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

That one trade for a 6th round pick did all that? I think not, it was a culmination of five years that pulled all of that off, and to say "many of us" means nothing, as there were just as many that liked it. No one is right and no one is wrong, it's their belief. I am of the opinion you play to win, who cares about the draft, some say it cost us a chance at a QBOTF. What happens is we sign a young QB in free agency then we are not going to draft a QBOTF in the first round. Who knows what will happen, so I live for the moment as if it were my last.

I get you prefer short-term reward to long-term success. I think you’re incredibly short-sighted and think you set your goals at too low a level. But that’s your prerogative. We obviously approach sports differently from one and other.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

My point exactly, it a crap shoot. You never know who your picking and if they'll be good. Just because there was good people there if we didn't win one game doesn't mean we would have taken him. People often say the Vikings win cost us Eli, but Deny said he was taking Fitz even number 1 if he had to. So would you trade Eli for Fitz? I don't think I would, no guarantee he is the Eli that won 2 superbowls if he comes to AZ. Our luck says he would have blew out his knee first year at OTA's and never been the same...

I love Fitz as much as anyone ever. But I would have traded Fitz for Eli in a heartbeat. To have the most important position on a football team covered competently for a decade plus? I think you have to be joking. In the relative matter of comparing positions a decade-long good QB is more valuable that a HOF player at another position. Particularly when the alternative has been completely hit and miss at the most important position.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I wasn't referencing the Peterson trade, but the 'win now' approach to last year's offseason. Sorry--I read my last message and I realize I hadn't made that clear.

It was clear to me.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

You play to win games not drafts.

If you can’t see how games and drafts are interrelated for long term success I don’t see how we can have an intelligent conversation on the topic. It’s not a zero sum game.

 

[Solar7]

“Sign a young QB in free agency. . . “ lol. WHO IS THAT?!?

Cousins is relatively young, but Bridgewater is definitely young.

Not that I’m pushing Teddy as an alternative to drafting someone.

 

[MadCardDisease]

I get you prefer short-term reward to long-term success. I think you’re incredibly short-sighted and think you set your goals at too low a level. But that’s your prerogative. We obviously approach sports differently from one and other.

A culture of losing doesn't create long term success.

 

[MadCardDisease]

If you can’t see how games and drafts are interrelated for long term success I don’t see how we can have an intelligent conversation on the topic. It’s not a zero sum game.

The Patriots haven't had a top pick in the draft in decades.

The Brown have had a top pick in almost every draft.

 

[oaken1]

The Patriots haven't had a top pick in the draft in decades.

The Brown have had a top pick in almost every draft.

yeah..... because the Pats found Tom Brady and the Browns didnt....and if we were being honest,... the Pats are a generally well run organization,...and the Browns, well... they're really not...right?

 

[Arz101]

All this discussion for a 6th round pick? carry on

 

[NJCardFan]

Question: Did AP really make an impact? He had 2 good games, one so so game and 3 awful games and only scored 2 TD's. I don't want to say he was a bust for us but he was just alright nothing more.

 

[TRW]

I think AP needs to be cut. It was a calculated move that didn't pan out. He is just going to be on IR probably sooner rather than later in the season. Go with the younger guys and call it a failed experiment.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Cousins is 29! Can we stop calling him young already?!?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

A culture of losing doesn't create long term success.

A 7-8-1 season followed by an 8-8 season has zero effect compared to a 7-8-1 season followed by a 4-12 season where most of the core vets will be swept out with a regime change anyway.

And we had a culture of losing. Know what changed it? Leadership. Had nothing to do with winning. Leadership had to change.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

The Patriots haven't had a top pick in the draft in decades.

The Brown have had a top pick in almost every draft.

Draft position, alone, won’t do it. But you can’t possibly argue that the lower picks allowed the pats the same swipe at talent that the browns had. Identification of talent and coaching up were dismal failures.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

All this discussion for a 6th round pick? carry on

It’s not just the 6th round pick. It was making a trade for a vet that’s not going to be here long but was here long enough to help us win two meaningless games that further sunk our draft position so we will now either have to spend more draft capital to move up to get a QB we ALL knew we would need, miss out on a good qb, or take a flier on a project later in the draft. See how there’s a domino effect there?

 

[TJ]

It’s not just the 6th round pick. It was making a trade for a vet that’s not going to be here long but was here long enough to help us win two meaningless games that further sunk our draft position so we will now either have to spend more draft capital to move up to get a QB we ALL knew we would need, miss out on a good qb, or take a flier on a project later in the draft. See how there’s a domino effect there?

How dare the team try to make moves early in the season to win ball games and improve upon obvious weaknesses!