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sundevil04
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Game...set...match.
Carson Palmer 96.5 QB rating over last 9 games
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Game...set...match.
kerouac9
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So yards are more important than turnovers? Or TDs? Hmm... There's a pretty significant amount of intellectual honesty you're laying out here, huh, Cbus?
The performance of his defense is important as a tiebreaker in evaluating QB play (i.e., win results)? That sounds logical.
Where did you find QBR over the last 8 games listed?
Russell Wilson - 65.35%, 8.73 YPA, 13 TDs, 5 INTs, 200 yds rushing, 1 RuTD
Nick Foles - 66.52%, 10 YPA (!!!), 21 TDs, 2 INTs; 193 yds rushing, 2 RuTD
Tom Brady - 65.11%, 7.85 YPA, 16 TDs, 5 INTs
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We beat Seattle because our defense played out of its mind.
To go into there and throw 4 picks and still win the game is a modern sports miracle that didn't get the press it deserved.
Statistically it's an off the charts rarity when factoring in how good Seattle is at home.
We won the game IN SPITE of Carson Palmer.
That's not the kind of QB that gives me any kind of warm fuzzies. I'll accept it might have been the best we could do this year, but we had better not settle for the status quo or I'll be highly upset.
Sure I can accept he's our best option right now. That's not good enough long term though, either he stops turning the ball over at that rate or he needs to sit down, end of story.
To go into there and throw 4 picks and still win the game is a modern sports miracle that didn't get the press it deserved.
Statistically it's an off the charts rarity when factoring in how good Seattle is at home.
We won the game IN SPITE of Carson Palmer.
That's not the kind of QB that gives me any kind of warm fuzzies. I'll accept it might have been the best we could do this year, but we had better not settle for the status quo or I'll be highly upset.
Sure I can accept he's our best option right now. That's not good enough long term though, either he stops turning the ball over at that rate or he needs to sit down, end of story.
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sundevil04
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K9, you thoughts on Palmer changed yet?
Over his last 11 games (since BA said the offense "clicked")
65.6% completion percentage
281 Yards/game
20 TD
9 int
97.4 QB rat
9-2 W/L record
Over his last 11 games (since BA said the offense "clicked")
65.6% completion percentage
281 Yards/game
20 TD
9 int
97.4 QB rat
9-2 W/L record
kerouac9
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Do I now think he's a Top 5 QB? Of course not.
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Top Ten?
Manning
Brady
Brees
Rodgers
Luck
Wilson
Most of us would agree the above are the top 6.
Stafford
Rivers
Romo
I would put these three ahead of CP as well.
Then we have the Flacco, Dalton, Rothlisberger, Foles, Eli, Cutler, Newton, Kaperneck and Ryan mosh pit.
So at best he is top 10 and Eli & Flacco have won SB's so maybe CP cracks the top 15. If he continues putting up the numbers and wins that the OP is based on and we do something in the playoffs then we can talk top 10.
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You do need to give him credit over being resilent. Despite his injury and all of that!
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sundevil04
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Who ever said anything about top 5??
His numbers over the past 11 starts (97.4 QBR) have been well into the "VERY good" range. Much better than what you described him as...
"He's an average to below-average starter."
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I think it was CBus who made the claim he was a top 5 QB second half of last year. it's been a running loathefest for months.
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Carson Palmer (last 11 games)
253/387 att (7.98 Y/att)
65.4% comp
3,087 yards (281 Yd/G)
20 TD
9 INT
QB Rat - 96.4
Drew Brees (last 11 games)
319/462 att (7.29 Y/att)
69.0% comp
3,367 yards (305 Yd/G)
22 TD
10 INT
QB Rat - 96.8
253/387 att (7.98 Y/att)
65.4% comp
3,087 yards (281 Yd/G)
20 TD
9 INT
QB Rat - 96.4
Drew Brees (last 11 games)
319/462 att (7.29 Y/att)
69.0% comp
3,367 yards (305 Yd/G)
22 TD
10 INT
QB Rat - 96.8
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To hell with a bunch stats about this , that , and another , you can take them and a couple of dollars to a cafe and get a cup of coffee . The only stat that matters is the 9 and 2 stat of Palmer's last 11 game starts , I'm happy with that one .
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Why are we only looking at the last 11?
If Palmer stays healthy I think he'll have a season similar to his second season with Oakland.
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sundevil04
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That's the point when BA said that he could tell in practice that the offense "clicked"
If healthy I still expect him to be elite this year. He's shown the poise and mental and physical toughness to lead us deep into the playoffs.
When we get some continuity on the offense and they start clicking and make a late season push, just hang on fellas.
The loss to Denver actually helps us, which I never would have said before, but the way they fell apart--not due to a lack of effort--is something they can learn from. The playoffs are all about adversity and we've already been through plenty and will go through more I'm sure, it's a long season.
Never gives up, even after a 4 pick game like in Seattle and coming back to throw the winning TD. Never points fingers. Played awful last year and never called out his teammates, not for poor blocking nor the WRs for running wrong routes.
Telling that in the offseason when BA was explaining an offensive concept he ended by telling them to get with Carson, he knows it.
I think Palmer epitomizes this team: resilient, tough, discipled.
When we get some continuity on the offense and they start clicking and make a late season push, just hang on fellas.
The loss to Denver actually helps us, which I never would have said before, but the way they fell apart--not due to a lack of effort--is something they can learn from. The playoffs are all about adversity and we've already been through plenty and will go through more I'm sure, it's a long season.
Never gives up, even after a 4 pick game like in Seattle and coming back to throw the winning TD. Never points fingers. Played awful last year and never called out his teammates, not for poor blocking nor the WRs for running wrong routes.
Telling that in the offseason when BA was explaining an offensive concept he ended by telling them to get with Carson, he knows it.
I think Palmer epitomizes this team: resilient, tough, discipled.
kerouac9
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You mean QB rating. QBR means something different to me.
Look: if I'm not convinced that he's an above-average to elite QB after 9 starts, adding 2 games with a three-game layoff in between isn't going to change my mind.
And, yes, consistent availability is one thing that Palmer lacks that elite and above average quarterbacks have.
Agree. Palmer might be above-average if he could be counted on to be healthy.
You mean passer rating.
The QBR stat invented by ESPN was a nice effort and may have its merits, but it really confuses matters since passer rating is still more widely used.
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kerouac9
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Yes. That is what I mean. I like Total QBR (which is the official name, I think), because it adds in running, success rate, situation, etc. It's not a "Total Quarterback Rating" that it was purported to be when they developed the statistic and deployed it.
The problem with Total QBR right now is that 50 is supposed to represent "average" performance, but right now there are 27 quarterbacks with a QBR over 50, and that doesn't make any sense.
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sundevil04
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Question, if Palmer continues to perform the way he has over the past 11 games for the rest of this season, would you consider him to be a "very good" quarterback?
P.s. - I never said anything about "elite"
kerouac9
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I don't know what "very good" means. I don't really care about absolute measures of success or effectiveness as much as I do comparative measures.
Very good = absolute
Average to below-average = relative.
If he could continue his pace over the last 11 games (65%, 7.93 YPA, 20 TDs, 9 INTs) for the next 11-plus games of the season, he'd (probably) be an above-average quarterback. I don't think that's a sustainable pace, but I hope he keeps to it.
More importantly, he has to PLAY in the next 11-plus games of the season.
Do I think Carson Palmer is an "Above Average QB" is a loaded question. In this system he is. In other systems he is not. So you are both correct.
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Yes Cp is above-average QB who can get you to the playoffs. Elite? Lol...
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Since the 2nd half of the last season on, Palmer has been amongst the best QB's in the game. There's really no denying it.
kerouac9
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Troll. Why don't you compare Phil Rivers numbers again. Flacco threw more TDs in one quarter this week than Palmers thrown all year.
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Flacco has also thrown more INT's in one quarter than Palmer has all year. What does that really have to do with anything? Or are you trying to say Flacco has been a better QB the last 11 games? Because if you are, you probably need to re-assess how you determine good QB play.
Rivers has been good this year. Let's see where Palmer is 6 starts into his year. Still, the last half of last year, Palmer was better.
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