Chance Warmack and Barrett Jones. The overhaul that we need is right there for us

[D-Dogg]

If we don't fix this OLine in this year's draft and offseason, we will NEVER fix it. This is the best year for OL in the draft I can remember, and there are good FA too.

 

[TJ]

If we don't fix this OLine in this year's draft and offseason, we will NEVER fix it. This is the best year for OL in the draft I can remember, and there are good FA too.

There's nothing wrong with our o-line, remember?

We need to keep it as is, get a new QB, and hope he can absorb 170 hits in one season.




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[DoTheDew]

That would be sick, but it still doesn't address pressing need at LT. I hope KC likes Joeckel enough to let Brandon Albert hit FA market.

I think you need to go back and look at how few sacks Nate Potter allowed as a starter. He's not a great run blocker, but he proved a good enough pass blocker that LT shouldn't be considered a pressing need anymore. Would I take Albert over him? Of course, but I'd be more than happy with Potter, Warmack, Jones, Massie/Levi at RT and whomever wins out between Colledge, Sendlein and Snyder for the other interior spot next year.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I think the sophomore Bama LT, Kouandjio, was very impressive too. He'll probably be in the draft next year.

 

[Goldfield]

This is the year we better go all out and fix the line. We must replace one if not both guards. MUST.

If we upgrade LT fine but I think Brown & Potter can be ok.

 

[juza76]

This is the year we better go all out and fix the line. We must replace one if not both guards. MUST.

If we upgrade LT fine but I think Brown & Potter can be ok.

brown at guard .signing lewan.getting wilson in the second and dj fluker in the 3th round

lewan dj fluker sendlein? brown massie

wilson(qb)
jamison (rb)

 

[Totally_Red]

I don't think Potter is OK at LOT and neither is Levi. We have Aldon Smith and Clemons in our division and need someone who can slow them down. Potter and Levi are not that.

 

[WildBB]

I don't think Potter is OK at LOT and neither is Levi. We have Aldon Smith and Clemons in our division and need someone who can slow them down. Potter and Levi are not that.

Absolutely not! And whoever takes over, if that's who they have there at LT to start the season I'll be severly disapointed. Whis and Grimm could have done that!

Potter has upside at least. Levi needs to be tried at OG or put in at RT. But at this point I think Massie made good strides there.

 

[Zeno]

I still don't understand all this talk of Levi to OG stuff, he is not Leanord Davis. His skill set does not look to me like it would be translate to OG. If someone can point out to me where he has ever played OG and what particular skill he has that makes people believe he would be a better OG than OT I would like to see it.

Give me Warmack...leave Massie at RT and let Brown go back to LT with Potter being his understudy/back up.

 

[cardsfanmd]

I still don't understand all this talk of Levi to OG stuff, he is not Leanord Davis. His skill set does not look to me like it would be translate to OG. If someone can point out to me where he has ever played OG and what particular skill he has that makes people believe he would be a better OG than OT I would like to see it.

Give me Warmack...leave Massie at RT and let Brown go back to LT with Potter being his understudy/back up.

I think Levi could play guard but I'd much prefer to see a left side of he and warmack. What did you think of Kelemete in the last game? I'd hope he's ready to unseat Snyder in camp. College sucks ass and needs to be cut IMO. What about trading down into the low teens, getting warmack and then grabbing Tyler Wilson and Cooper from NC who could play RG or C to solidy the line with the two second rounders? I think Sendlien would be ok with strong players to either side of him.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I think Levi could play guard but I'd much prefer to see a left side of he and warmack. What did you think of Kelemete in the last game? I'd hope he's ready to unseat Snyder in camp. College sucks ass and needs to be cut IMO. What about trading down into the low teens, getting warmack and then grabbing Tyler Wilson and Cooper from NC who could play RG or C to solidy the line with the two second rounders? I think Sendlien would be ok with strong players to either side of him.

+1

Kelemete is raw, but 1st and foremost the guy can move the pile. Which is severely lacking in the Cardinals current offensive linemen.

So, tired of watching Reggie Wells, or Lyle Sendlein, or Rex Hadnot, or Daryn Colledge, or Adam Snyder getting stalemated at the line at best, and driven backwards into the RB at worst. I won't even talk about Rich Ohrnberger, flippin' the Max Hall of offensive guards.

The best thing about Warmack is how scary athletic he is for his size. I don't see him having any problems getting to the 2nd level in the pros. I just don't see how the Cardinals pass him up if he is there in the 1st round.

We don't need another Michael Floyd pick to ruin a chance to pick a football player that will better the team. I said Dont'a Hightower last year, and was 100% right. He should have been the pick. Arrogant statement ? You betcha, but I will stand by it.

This year it is Warmack. Guy like that is, like drafting 3 players. You get a "plug & play" guard, which then improves your running game (better RB), and then the better blocking, and better running game improves your passing game (QB).

Seriously, no more over-hyped skills players please, or reaching for QB's when the QB's coming out next year will be plentiful, IMO.

Hopefully the Cardinals will FINALLY get it right and invest on the line.

OT: Levi Brown, Bobby Massie, Nate Potter
OG: Warmack, Snyder, Kelemete
OC: Sendlein, [Hopefully some actual competition in training camp for the 1st time in Sendlein's career]

* Just to say it for the billionth time, really happy to have Bobby Massie. He may "only be a right tackle" but when you have not had ANY tackles for a long time, it seems like a really really big deal to get a right tackle that you can confidently go into the season with.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I still don't understand all this talk of Levi to OG stuff, he is not Leanord Davis. His skill set does not look to me like it would be translate to OG. If someone can point out to me where he has ever played OG and what particular skill he has that makes people believe he would be a better OG than OT I would like to see it.

He is a 5th overall pick to play LT, which should mean he has some athletic ability. He has not shown to be a strong pass blocker, but people swear by his run blocking.

He is a professional athlete, I don't see how it is asking too much for him to play a different position. So many players that have come into the league OT's have switched to OG when the OT position doesn't work. It is not a crazy idea.

See a Robert Gallery for example.

Give me Warmack...leave Massie at RT and let Brown go back to LT with Potter being his understudy/back up.

Fair enough.

But, there is a the possibility that Levi Brown gets beat out by Nate Potter.

At that point, does it really sound like a crazy idea to put Levi Brown out there at guard instead of Adam Snyder ?

Unless you think Adam Snyder is a better guard.

But, at that in this hypothetical situation, you have Potter beating Brown out at OT, and Snyder beating Brown out at OG...........where does that leave Brown ?

Personally ? Don't care about Levi Brown. If he wins his spot on the line then great, but I want the 5 best players on the field. If Levi Brown is not one of them, then so be it. Him being a 5th overall pick is a loooooooooong time ago, and should no longer apply when making a decision of who to start, IMO.

So, that being said, I am fine with people not wanting to move Levi Brown to guard, but not at the expense of FORCING him into the LT position. Especially if he is not the best LT on the team come training camp. So, if the "no Levi Brown at guard" camp is OK with Levi Brown at OT or no where at all, then I am OK with it too.

 

[JeffGollin]

Not only is he a good player, but Jones graduated 4.0 with both his bachelors and masters degree in accounting. Plus he did mission work. This kid is exactly the type of character guy the Bidwills love. I'd be shocked if the Cardinals don't look at him.

That plus his versatility.

Currently, our O-line consists of (a) some grizzled veterans inside who have mostly underachieved and aren't getting any younger and (b) 2 tackles, Potter and Massey and a guard, Kelemete - who could be the answer going forward but still have a lot to prove.

Jones (who's not only a "character" guy but, judging from his brief post-game TV interview, a "colorful" guy and potential leader) can play G, C or LT.

Which means - at 300+ lbs - he can play center if Sendlein goes down, guard if Colledge, Snyder, or Ohrnberger (or Kelemete) can't produce or tackle if either Massey or Potter aren't delivering.

I don't know where he slots among the Matthews, Warmacks and Joeckels of the world, but, if he's right in the mix athletically, his versatility might make him worth overdrafting just a smidge.

 

[Zeno]

But, there is a the possibility that Levi Brown gets beat out by Nate Potter.

At that point, does it really sound like a crazy idea to put Levi Brown out there at guard instead of Adam Snyder ?

Unless you think Adam Snyder is a better guard.

But, at that in this hypothetical situation, you have Potter beating Brown out at OT, and Snyder beating Brown out at OG...........where does that leave Brown ?

Personally ? Don't care about Levi Brown. If he wins his spot on the line then great, but I want the 5 best players on the field. If Levi Brown is not one of them, then so be it. Him being a 5th overall pick is a loooooooooong time ago, and should no longer apply when making a decision of who to start, IMO.

So, that being said, I am fine with people not wanting to move Levi Brown to guard, but not at the expense of FORCING him into the LT position. Especially if he is not the best LT on the team come training camp. So, if the "no Levi Brown at guard" camp is OK with Levi Brown at OT or no where at all, then I am OK with it too.

I have no problem with Brown being beat out at OT and being relegated to a back up, my point is this--I have seen nothing in Levi Browns game to indicate to me that he would be a better OG than OT. I think a lot of people think because Leonard Davis did it that Brown should be able to do it too, people seem to forget that Davis as great as he was as an OG was still a better OT in AZ than Levi Brown has ever been. It isn't just plug and play, we can't just say move Brown to OG and problem solved because frankly I don't buy it.

 

[Zeno]

I think Levi could play guard but I'd much prefer to see a left side of he and warmack. What did you think of Kelemete in the last game? I'd hope he's ready to unseat Snyder in camp. College sucks ass and needs to be cut IMO. What about trading down into the low teens, getting warmack and then grabbing Tyler Wilson and Cooper from NC who could play RG or C to solidy the line with the two second rounders? I think Sendlien would be ok with strong players to either side of him.

I think Kelemete is raw but IMO he sure looks talented, maybe he just needs another training camp (with a real OL Coach this time) and the light will fully go on. At the very least he appears like he could turn out to be quality depth.

Would love a trade down scenario and with Rod Graves out the front office the idea of trading down and not being taken to the cleaners doesn't scare me as much...if we could pick up an extra second rounder in a draft like this it would be a great move.

 

[football karma]

I have no problem with Brown being beat out at OT and being relegated to a back up, my point is this--I have seen nothing in Levi Browns game to indicate to me that he would be a better OG than OT. I think a lot of people think because Leonard Davis did it that Brown should be able to do it too, people seem to forget that Davis as great as he was as an OG was still a better OT in AZ than Levi Brown has ever been. It isn't just plug and play, we can't just say move Brown to OG and problem solved because frankly I don't buy it.

i dont think its all about Leonard Davis --- moving Tackles who lack a half step of footspeed to guard is whats done in the NFL. The list of guys drafted at tackle who ended up at Guard and been good at it is quite long.

 

[Russ Smith]

I think we can clearly get one of them but the odds of getting both are slim.

We'd pretty much have to trade up to get Jones because it sounds like he's projected in the first round now.

If you knew Warmack would last a bit longer you could try to trade down get an extra pick and then use that with the 2 to trade up for Jones, but that's Russian Roulette you might lose Warmack in the process.

I have to admit the thought of plugging those two in at RG and C is awfully intriguing. Levi back at LT, Massie RT, Colledge I guess at LG, that on paper is a pretty good run blocking OL. not a great pass blocking OL but better than what we had this year.

 

[JeffGollin]

I think we can clearly get one of them but the odds of getting both are slim.

We'd pretty much have to trade up to get Jones because it sounds like he's projected in the first round now.

If you knew Warmack would last a bit longer you could try to trade down get an extra pick and then use that with the 2 to trade up for Jones, but that's Russian Roulette you might lose Warmack in the process.

I have to admit the thought of plugging those two in at RG and C is awfully intriguing. Levi back at LT, Massie RT, Colledge I guess at LG, that on paper is a pretty good run blocking OL. not a great pass blocking OL but better than what we had this year.

Levi at LT would merely be a band-aid. Wouldn't it be novel and kind of neat to have a really dominant player nailing down LT for years to come?

 

[Russ Smith]

Levi at LT would merely be a band-aid. Wouldn't it be novel and kind of neat to have a really dominant player nailing down LT for years to come?

Yeah but I think the one guy that looks like that is Joeckel and he'll be gone. If we can get one in FA I'm all for it. Move Levi back to RT we'd be MUCH better.

Just don't see us signing such a guy in FA.

 

[BigRedRage]

Not only is he a good player, but Jones graduated 4.0 with both his bachelors and masters degree in accounting. Plus he did mission work. This kid is exactly the type of character guy the Bidwills love. I'd be shocked if the Cardinals don't look at him.

Sounds like a center in the making.

 

[Totally_Red]

Yeah but I think the one guy that looks like that is Joeckel and he'll be gone. If we can get one in FA I'm all for it. Move Levi back to RT we'd be MUCH better.

Just don't see us signing such a guy in FA.

Agree on moving Levi back to right tackle. That's part of the reason I'm on the Taylor Lewan wagon.

I'm no offensive line expert, but drafting either the hometown left tackle or Chance Warmack would make me a very happy camper on draft night. We need and have needed an offensive line bell cow for years. Either of those two might fit the baill.

 

[john h]

There could alternatively be an argument to be made for taking Lewan in the first and 1. moving up to get Warmack or 2. holding out for Jones.

This is the opportunity to fix the line once and for all. DO IT

Jones has been sort of all everything but listening to him he seems to lack the fire you need in the NFL. I think I would steer clear of him as a first round pick. He sure does not sound like a Ray Lewis. I sure would like to have that Alabama RB but not with our first pick and he will be gone early in round 1. I like the Alabama QB because his girl friend was Miss Alabama and would be fun to look at on the sideline. As a QB he may be a 2 or 3 rd pick in 2014. Do not know his size but he looked a little thin and a bit breakable.

 

[vinnymac]

I've been preaching Barrett Jones for a while. He has also played every o-line position. He is exactly what the Cardinal's need. IMO the o-line needs to be fixed first. Then the QB position needs to be addressed.

 

[perivolaki]

Give me Warmack...leave Massie at RT and let Brown go back to LT with Potter being his understudy/back up.

I agree with this.

I've heard players say that Levi is the strongest player on the team.

Draft Warmack, pair them up on the left side, and punish teams with the run game.

That sounds like a plan to me.

 

[Broseph]

I think Jones goes late 1st round.