Cheesebeef Says "We're going to dumb it down for Keim"

[Evil Ash]

Yeah... he's also won TWO Super Bowls and had his team in the playoffs forever.

Otherwise, that's a really good comparison.

Keim brought us enough talent to go to the NFC Championship game not that long ago.

The short memory of this board is GD embarassing at times.

Does he have issues? Yes without question. However, let's not handwave everything he did right either.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Riiiiight

so, it's just a coincidence that Hightower signed a 4 year 35 million dollar contract the same year Minter signed a 1 year 4 million dollar contract? Or is the entire rest of the league just CLUELESS about how good Minter really is?

I mean... do you realize Minter isn't even in the league anymore... ANYWHERE?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Keim brought us enough talent to go to the NFC Championship game not that long ago.

The short memory of this board is GD embarassing at times.

Does he have issues? Yes without question. However, let's not handwave everything he did right either.

1 season... OVER THREE YEARS AGO.

That's a lifetime in the NFL.

But I appreciate you calling my opinion GD embarassing. Good form.

 

[TRW]

I’ve said it. Multiple times. I was wrong. I wish we still had BA to whisper in Josh’s ear.

Only thing BA would be whispering is “I don’t play rookies”.

 

[vince56]

I like Keim. He isn't the problem.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Humphries has looked pretty good this year and Mason Cole has been solid as well. Online really hasn't been a problem.

Buchanon was drafted as a safety, the previous regime made him a LB. He should be a blitzing safety ala Adrian Wilson. Reddick is showing flashes.

There is no proof that they liked allen more other than rumor sites who likely didn't have sources.

Do I have issues with keim? ABSOLUTELY.

However I don't hand wave things he got right either

Keim has some success in later rounds, but even those other than DJ haven’t planned out long term as impactful for the cards. His whiffs in first and second round are awful.

Cooper - bust-o-Rama
DJ - serviceable. But a first rounder should be more than serviceable they should be a stud. Even a late first rounder.
Minter - meh
Niklas - do I have to type anything?
Buc - suc
Reddick - flashes-smashes he sucks
Nkemdiche - looks like light may be coming on, but given first two years let’s not count chickens yet

Rosen - looks like winner
Golden - good year let’s see if he has more than 1
Kirk - maybe but he’s got some dropsies
Budda - could be good but he’s more special teams and hype than impact defender at present but I’ll put him on the better list

Not a lot of high impact guys. If 40% were high impact we would be good because then the David Johnson’s, honey badgers, John brown would be great drafts instead of making up for weak to just okay first and second round picks.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I like Keim. He isn't the problem.

do you think it's just the people he decided would coach, catch and kick that are the problem?

 

[Carolinacacti]

At least the new GM will have money to play with.

 

[AZ Native]

do you think it's just the people he decided would coach, catch and kick that are the problem?

As far as the coaching I would guess MB is the leader on that decision.

 

[Evil Ash]

1 season... OVER THREE YEARS AGO.

That's a lifetime in the NFL.

But I appreciate you calling my opinion GD embarassing. Good form.

You brought up kleins record over the past 6 years. I respond with a similar GM whom many consider on this board to be an Amazing talent evaluator (who had the EXACT SAME RESULTS over the same time period). Then you bring up what he did even longer ago and say 3 years is a lifetime ago.

You really seem to be missing the logic flow here.

You're likely just venting at this point and that's fine. I'm just saying I'm not throwing all of what he did well away.

 

[Cheesebeef]

At least the new GM will have money to play with.

bingo. He'll have a bunch of $$$ to play with, probably a top 3 pick and a QB of the future. That's an attractive combo for a new guy to come in and turn around the ship immediately, Rams style.

 

[Cheesebeef]

You brought up kleins record over the past 6 years. I respond with a similar GM whom many consider on this board to be an Amazing talent evaluator (who had the EXACT SAME RESULTS over the same time period). Then you bring up what he did even longer ago and say 3 years is a lifetime ago.

You really seem to be missing the logic flow here.

You're likely just venting at this point and that's fine. I'm just saying I'm not throwing all of what he did well away.

I'm not missing... forget it.

You're right. I've lost all logic and my opinion is GD embarrassing.

 

[Cheesebeef]

QBOTF?

sun shines...

 

[AZ Native]

sun shines...

Sorry, I misread it.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Only thing BA would be whispering is “I don’t play rookies”.

Tell that to Peyton Manning.

 

[Timm Rosenbach]

Keim has some success in later rounds, but even those other than DJ haven’t planned out long term as impactful for the cards. His whiffs in first and second round are awful.

Cooper - bust-o-Rama
DJ - serviceable. But a first rounder should be more than serviceable they should be a stud. Even a late first rounder.
Minter - meh
Niklas - do I have to type anything?
Buc - suc
Reddick - flashes-smashes he sucks
Nkemdiche - looks like light may be coming on, but given first two years let’s not count chickens yet

Rosen - looks like winner
Golden - good year let’s see if he has more than 1
Kirk - maybe but he’s got some dropsies
Budda - could be good but he’s more special teams and hype than impact defender at present but I’ll put him on the better list

Not a lot of high impact guys. If 40% were high impact we would be good because then the David Johnson’s, honey badgers, John brown would be great drafts instead of making up for weak to just okay first and second round picks.

And Edmonds who is the core of our offensive gameplan

 

[Finito]

Keim has some success in later rounds, but even those other than DJ haven’t planned out long term as impactful for the cards. His whiffs in first and second round are awful.

Cooper - bust-o-Rama
DJ - serviceable. But a first rounder should be more than serviceable they should be a stud. Even a late first rounder.
Minter - meh
Niklas - do I have to type anything?
Buc - suc
Reddick - flashes-smashes he sucks
Nkemdiche - looks like light may be coming on, but given first two years let’s not count chickens yet

Rosen - looks like winner
Golden - good year let’s see if he has more than 1
Kirk - maybe but he’s got some dropsies
Budda - could be good but he’s more special teams and hype than impact defender at present but I’ll put him on the better list

Not a lot of high impact guys. If 40% were high impact we would be good because then the David Johnson’s, honey badgers, John brown would be great drafts instead of making up for weak to just okay first and second round picks.

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2017/4/12/15274148/most-nfl-draft-picks-are-busts

Cooper might have been a bust but it was the right pick to make at the time. He was the highest rated guard to come out in 20 years. He was regarded as the safest pick in that draft and a future hall of famer blue chip type.

That GM that you say sucks turned that bust and a 2nd rounder into Chandler Jones

Hump was a first rounder and should be a stud? Actually that's wrong about 50% of first round picks never even make it to there second contract. You thinking the 24th pick in the 1st round should be a lock to be an all pro just shows you have an unrealistic view of the NFL draft. Hump is playing well

You think 40% should be high impact lol.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

As far as the coaching I would guess MB is the leader on that decision.

That’s all you can do. I, on the other hand, am armed with the generally accepted knowledge that part of a GM’s job is to hire and fire coaches, acquire talent, and manage the cap.

 

[Cheesebeef]

You brought up kleins record over the past 6 years. I respond with a similar GM whom many consider on this board to be an Amazing talent evaluator (who had the EXACT SAME RESULTS over the same time period). Then you bring up what he did even longer ago and say 3 years is a lifetime ago.

You really seem to be missing the logic flow here.

You really seem to be missing facts here also Ash considering in the last six years, Ozzie won a SUPER BOWL, 5 playoff games, and made the playoffs 2 twice.

How those are the EXACT SAME RESULTS as 6 years, 1 playoff win and playoffs twice is beyond me. But what do I know with my GD embarrassing short memory?

 

[Evil Ash]

I'm not missing... forget it.

You're right. I've lost all logic and my opinion is GD embarrassing.

I didn't say that. Come on now you're better then that.

Keim has made some mistakes and I'm not talking about off the field either. I'm just saying he has done some positive things and lead us to success (as god awful as this franchise has been). That should be a factor in balancing out the decision on whether he stays or goes

 

[Timm Rosenbach]

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2017/4/12/15274148/most-nfl-draft-picks-are-busts

Cooper might have been a bust but it was the right pick to make at the time. He was the highest rated guard to come out in 20 years. He was regarded as the safest pick in that draft and a future hall of famer blue chip type.

That GM that you say sucks turned that bust and a 2nd rounder into Chandler Jones

Hump was a first rounder and should be a stud? Actually that's wrong about 50% of first round picks never even make it to there second contract. You thinking the 24th pick in the 1st round should be a lock to be an all pro just shows you have an unrealistic view of the NFL draft. Hump is playing well

You think 40% should be high impact lol.

Cooper was not even considered the best Guard in that draft. Chance Warmack was. And you don’t draft a Guard in the top 10. He was also an “introvert.”

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2017/4/12/15274148/most-nfl-draft-picks-are-busts

Cooper might have been a bust but it was the right pick to make at the time. He was the highest rated guard to come out in 20 years. He was regarded as the safest pick in that draft and a future hall of famer blue chip type.

That GM that you say sucks turned that bust and a 2nd rounder into Chandler Jones

Hump was a first rounder and should be a stud? Actually that's wrong about 50% of first round picks never even make it to there second contract. You thinking the 24th pick in the 1st round should be a lock to be an all pro just shows you have an unrealistic view of the NFL draft. Hump is playing well

You think 40% should be high impact lol.

If you can’t find 40% of your first rounders as impact players you’re not a good GM. You might be average. But excuse me for wanting better than average. You can stick with a losers mentality. Lol.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I didn't say that. Come on now you're better then that.

Keim has made some mistakes and I'm not talking about off the field either. I'm just saying he has done some positive things and lead us to success (as god awful as this franchise has been). That should be a factor in balancing out the decision on whether he stays or goes

and i'm not saying he's the worst GM of all time. I just think he's made enough mistakes on and off the field in the last three years that I don't trust his ass to find a new coach or to make good on a QBOTF.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Cooper was not even considered the best Guard in that draft. Chance Warmack was. And you don’t draft a Guard in the top 10. He was also an “introvert.”

But but but bloggers and draft magazines are always accurate!!!

 

[Evil Ash]

You really seem to be missing facts here also Ash considering in the last six years, Ozzie won a SUPER BOWL, 5 playoff games, and made the playoffs 2 twice.

How those are the EXACT SAME RESULTS as 6 years, 1 playoff win and playoffs twice is beyond me. But what do I know with my GD embarrassing short memory?

You are correct. I made a mistake on when they last won the superbowl.

I remember having a similar argument in the preseason where during their timeframe had similar results.

My memory is the embarrassment apparently