Chip Kelly is My #1----and My #2 is....

[Jetstream Green]

I just don't see them tanking with Whis, and by tanking I mean totally quitting on the coach. Then throw in the injuries this year and it shields him because the lack of depth has as much to do with the whole organization as with Whisenhunt. Not saying right or wrong on changing the coach, I'm just thinking on how the Bidwills see it

 

[az jam]

I just don't see them tanking with Whis, and by tanking I mean totally quitting on the coach. Then throw in the injuries this year and it shields him because the lack of depth has as much to do with the whole organization as with Whisenhunt. Not saying right or wrong on changing the coach, I'm just thinking on how the Bidwills see it

Poor choice of words by me. I should say if the Cards have losing seasons this year and next year, I think Whiz is out. Next year is has last year of his contract.

 

[kerouac9]

Poor choice of words by me. I should say if the Cards have losing seasons this year and next year, I think Whiz is out. Next year is has last year of his contract.

Whis is signed through the 2014 season, but 2013 is his effective contract year, because it's very unlikely that he enters 2014 as a lame duck.

 

[john h]

I think Chip Kelly is going to win wherever there are footballs and games to be played.

The reasons why I say this:

1. He will draft and sign FAs for speed---speed, speed, speed---
2. He will force defenses to play hybrid packages versus his spread and not be able to substitute between plays.
3. He will exhaust every defense he plays against.
4. He won't hesitate to have the QB run, because he knows what a dilemma that puts on DCs---especially from a scrambling perspective.
5. He will run the ball when the numbers favor it---and will pass the ball when the numbers and matchups favor passing.
6. Plays will be called at the line of scrimmage and snapped so quickly the defense will have to play a standard man package.
7. Wherever he coaches, the games will be sold out---if fans thought Warner in STL put on the fastest show on turf---Kelly's offense will make Warner's look like slo-mo.
8. Decisions are made in advance---if we get in a 4th and short, we are running this pay the first time and this other play the second time---and if we have to go for a third time, here's the play.
9. His practices are now legendary---they are full tilt boogie sessions, pedal to the medal, uniquely organized and expedited.

Having said all of this you might be a little surprised at who my #2 is.

I realize that Kelly is the hottest coach on the market---and typically the Cardinals don't wind up; with the hottest coach or QB, etc.

I wonder who will be the first to guess...and it's not Ray Horton, Kurt Warner or Jon Gruden.

Give it a shot.

Bobby Petrino and his Harley Hog. Actually he is one of the very capable offensive coaches around. To bad he cannot keep away from the ladies. There are rumors he may be back and it could be Kentucky.

 

[Mulli]

Chip Kelly sounds a lot like Steve Spurrier to me.

 

[john h]

Wow. You nailed it, jammer!

Here's my explanation:

1. What coach challenged and got the most out of Larry Fitzgerald?
2. People tend to forget this but Bill Belichick miserably failed at his first head coaching job with the Browns---but the great ones learn and move on.
3. What I love about Haley is that while he loves to pass the ball as mucb as any coach out there, his running game schemes are excellent. yesterday, he ran over the Giants with their #3 and #4 RBs. In KC, Jamaal Charles went off under Haley before he got hurt to the tune of 230/1,467, 6.4, 5 TDs and 45 catches for 468, 10.4 and 3 TDs in 2010---that's a combined 1,935 yard, 8 TD season.
4. He has the kind of edge to him that this team needs right now---and he'a all about accountability.
5. The Bidwills know him well---and the Super Bowl experience Haley had here could generate a good deal of forward momentum and confidence.
6. He would come here in a heartbeat---knowing the personnel that is already in place and knowing how the Bidwills operate. They would give him the right amount of authority to get the job done. And he wouldn't command a top salary until he's sufficiently earned one.

I listened this morning to an ESPN analysit who basically said the QB makes the coach and not the other way around. There are a number of coaches who became very good when they got a QB but were lousy when they did not have a good QB. Certainly an innovative coach is a desirable one. A guy who brings something new to the table that has not been seen. Some guys like fast and some prefer big to fast. You can build your team either way but in the end it will be the players who decided the outcome on the field. Is the new Niners coach brilliant or did he inherit a great group of players? It is difficult to judge Whiz due to our organizational structure which no one seems to understand. With the players he has to work with no coach is going to make them even a .500 team. No QB. No RBs. Hard to win in the NFL without those key people. I think it is time for Whiz to go as we need to start all over with our leadership not because he is all that bad. He still has more wins than an other Cards head coach. Mitch know a lot more about coaches than I ever hope to so if he thinks his man would be a great choice then he may be just that. Unfortunately our organization operates in strange ways. I bet Mr B will have some input on this and he is pure old school. He will call all his buddy owners and get their input and we will likely get a former NFL Coach. The Niners when into the college ranks and are on top now. Maybe there is a message there.

 

[Shane]

Did I miss something? Did Whiz get fired?

 

[john h]

Bill Belichick failed at his first stop because the franchise was in disarray. Before they announced their move to Baltimore he won 11 games and the only Browns playoff win in the last 20 years. His "failure" was the result of the organization. While Todd Haley is so abrasive his team quickly grew tired of his act and quit on him as bad as any coach in recent memory. This is a guy even Kurt Warner had a screaming match with on the sideline.

The idea of Haley being a brilliant head coaching mind amazes me. There is no evidence of it. The Cardinals offense didnt miss a beat the year after he left. He owes his Kansas paychecks to Warner and Whiz because their talent setup this illusion that many here are still buying into.

The last really innovative amazing head coach I recall is Don Coryell. There was no question this man was a stand out. There were some very good coaches from the old days like Paul Brown, Lombardi, and Halas. Maybe they were more legends than great coaches but they got the job done over and over. Today a great QB can create a great head coach at least in peoples minds. Many thought Andy Reid a great coach until he picked Michael Vick as his QB and now Vick is going to get him fired. Tom Landry was a legend with QBs like Stauback but along comes Jerry Jones and fires him and now the Cowboys are no longer America's team. They are Jerry Jones team. Peyton Manning it appears is about to create a great coach in Denver. The thing I think the Cards need most over the long run is the most brilliant GM they can find and give him the authority to do the GM's job. His first job would then be to find the QB. We continue to swim upstream and into the wind.

Here is a thought that might send me to hell but could we get the first pick in a draft by trading Fitz? Fitz being our only superstar cannot produce what he is capable of as other teams can even triple team him. Is there a QB in this years draft that you would trade Fitz for? He is getting near the point where his trade value will start dropping or already has. He has been my favorite Cards player of all time. He would only accept a trade to a contender so that limits who we could deal with and they would not likely be drafting #1 or #2.

 

[PJ1]

Did I miss something? Did Whiz get fired?

In Mitch's dreams. Yes he did.

 

[Russ Smith]

Did I miss something? Did Whiz get fired?

try and keep up Shane. Whiz was never hired, we hired Mike Sherman remember?

 

[LarryStalling]

I was thinking we didn't bring him back as OC because he would have Whis looking over his shoulder.

I am not sure that is the proper perspective. He may not have been brought back because Whiz did not want him looking over his shoulder.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I listened this morning to an ESPN analysit who basically said the QB makes the coach and not the other way around. There are a number of coaches who became very good when they got a QB but were lousy when they did not have a good QB. Certainly an innovative coach is a desirable one. A guy who brings something new to the table that has not been seen. Some guys like fast and some prefer big to fast. You can build your team either way but in the end it will be the players who decided the outcome on the field. Is the new Niners coach brilliant or did he inherit a great group of players? It is difficult to judge Whiz due to our organizational structure which no one seems to understand. With the players he has to work with no coach is going to make them even a .500 team. No QB. No RBs. Hard to win in the NFL without those key people. I think it is time for Whiz to go as we need to start all over with our leadership not because he is all that bad. He still has more wins than an other Cards head coach. Mitch know a lot more about coaches than I ever hope to so if he thinks his man would be a great choice then he may be just that. Unfortunately our organization operates in strange ways. I bet Mr B will have some input on this and he is pure old school. He will call all his buddy owners and get their input and we will likely get a former NFL Coach. The Niners when into the college ranks and are on top now. Maybe there is a message there.

John you're spot on. Even when we went to the Super Bowl, the Niners were just as talented as we are.

Take Brady off of the Patriots and they are the Cleveland Browns even with a decent QB behind center.

 

[Mulli]

John you're spot on. Even when we went to the Super Bowl, the Niners were just as talented as we are.

Take Brady off of the Patriots and they are the Cleveland Browns even with a decent QB behind center.

Loony toons.

 

[kerouac9]

John you're spot on. Even when we went to the Super Bowl, the Niners were just as talented as we are.

Take Brady off of the Patriots and they are the Cleveland Browns even with a decent QB behind center.

Yeah. That idiot scrub Bill Cowher had to have super-studs Neil O'Donnel, Mike Tomczak, Kordell Stewart, and Tommy Maddox lead the Steelers to all those playoff appearances and a Super Bowl.

Lots of coaches like Mike Holmgren ride studs like Brett Favre (and all his post-Holmgren playoff success) and Matt Hasselback to the playoffs and the Super Bowl. Without Mike Holmgren, the Seahawks are just as good.

Remember when the San Francisco 49ers lost relevance after Steve Young retired? I don't think they made the playoffs again until last year.

And the Bucs were only a dominant playoff team for nearly a decade because Trent Dilfer put those teams on his shoulders.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Somebody heard Mitch.

How college coach could revolutionize NFL

Chip Kelly's genius comes from exploiting one thing that other coaches won't acknowledge.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Somebody heard Mitch.

How college coach could revolutionize NFL

Saw that too and thought of Mitch. No need to look elsewhere, all the innovative minds are here

 

[Dback Jon]

Somebody heard Mitch.

How college coach could revolutionize NFL

Read that article and was coming to post in this thread..

 

[football karma]

Somebody heard Mitch.

How college coach could revolutionize NFL

as someone who makes his living working with numbers, I really appreciate analysis like this --

however, as someone who works with numbers, I also recognize that making sweeping conclusions from analysis like these are fraught with danger

So-- its great that Chip Kelly goes for it on fourth down a great deal. I think more coaches should.

But -- and lets be honest -- do you think Chip Kelly does the same thing if he had been coaching an Arizona team on the road vs Oregon? There is a luxury in going for it on fourth down a lot when you know that your starting 22 is a great deal better than the starting 22 across the field.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Todd Haley was a disaster as HC and, for some reason, gets WAAAYYYY too much credit for his time is Arizona. The Cards were running Whiz's offense, had their best OL with a few years of continuity, had Fitz, Boldin, and a healthy Breaston(his impact often over-looked), and Kurt Warner on the offensive side of the ball. It would be pretty hard for that offense to be ineffective.

Plus, some guys are just better coordinators and not HC material. Wade Phillips,Charlie Weiss, Norv Turner, Romeo Crennel, Spagnolo, and Mike Mularkey(so far) come to mind. Haley is probably in that group as well.

Like Johnh said, the players determine the coaches success, especially at the coordinator level. I don't see NE's offense struggling since Weiss, the guy who went to Penn St., or McDaniels left. McDaniels is back and now he's a good coach again.

As for Chip Kelly, he could turn out to be a good NFL HC, but history suggests otherwise. Wasn't Steve Spuurier supposed to revolutionize the NFL, offensively, as well?

 

[Mulli]

Do the same people who think Haley is a good HC also think Joe Bugel was a good head coach?

Different people, but similar win/loss record as head coach.

 

[kerouac9]

Somebody heard Mitch.

How college coach could revolutionize NFL

So... because he goes for it on 4th down inside the redzone, he's going to be a success in the NFL? Mmm-okay.

Just like RG3's veer option offense has been figured out by the NFL in six weeks, so to do gimmick offenses get figured out or adapted. 50% of the NFL might have some version of the Wildcat in their playbooks, but most NFL teams rarely use it from week to week, and the Wildcat's ability to be productive has dropped to almost nothing.

Moneyball is about deploying limited resources; it's not about playcalling possibilities or in-game tactics. Nick Saban is going to win another national championship against these same Ducks (maybe) for the same reason that the Ducks lost to Auburn a few years ago, and why West Virginia is suddenly struggling against superior opponents: the gimmick offense can usually give you an advantage over inferior opponents and let you run up the score, and can occasionally give you a chance to beat an opponent with superior talent, but the NFL figures everything out eventually.

 

[Duckjake]

So... because he goes for it on 4th down inside the redzone, he's going to be a success in the NFL? Mmm-okay.

Just like RG3's veer option offense has been figured out by the NFL in six weeks, so to do gimmick offenses get figured out or adapted. 50% of the NFL might have some version of the Wildcat in their playbooks, but most NFL teams rarely use it from week to week, and the Wildcat's ability to be productive has dropped to almost nothing.

Moneyball is about deploying limited resources; it's not about playcalling possibilities or in-game tactics. Nick Saban is going to win another national championship against these same Ducks (maybe) for the same reason that the Ducks lost to Auburn a few years ago, and why West Virginia is suddenly struggling against superior opponents: the gimmick offense can usually give you an advantage over inferior opponents and let you run up the score, and can occasionally give you a chance to beat an opponent with superior talent, but the NFL figures everything out eventually.

Way to jinx Saban K9. Big 12 gimmick offenses are just too much for SEC defenses when the SEC team doesn't have 45 days to prepare.

As for figuring out things in the NFL the rules still favor the offense so even if the Defensive guys figure it out RGIII and Washington still run up over 350 yards of offense.

Just like our pinheads on offense who have over 330 yards of offense in 3 of their last 4 losses. The key for NFL defenses right now I think is redzone stops. What else can they do?