Choose The Suns Next Head Coach?

[JerkFace]

Bordow is the very last person to break Suns news. As a matter of fact, he doesn’t break news, he merely “confirms” what guys like Woj, Stein, Gambo etc report hours before.

If you’re waiting for Bordow, you’ll be waiting a long time.

Once again... did you actually hear Gambo say that Fizdale removed his name?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Are you sure Gambo reported that Fizdale had withdrawn? The only thing I saw/heard was the random realgm poster from Atlanta that said “he heard it”.

dude... a college coach at GC-FREAKING-U said thanks but no thanks. Not Duke, Not Nova...

GCU.

 

[JerkFace]

dude... a college coach at GC-FREAKING-U said thanks but no thanks. Not Duke, Not Nova...

GCU.

Meh... We both know that is a very unique situation. Listen, I’m not saying that Sarver doesn’t suck. Heck, I would probably trade the #1 pick this year for a new owner... all I am saying is that I prefer to criticize truth, not speculation.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Meh... We both know that is a very unique situation. Listen, I’m not saying that Sarver doesn’t suck. Heck, I would probably trade the #1 pick this year for a new owner... all I am saying is that I prefer to criticize truth, not speculation.

truth is we interview Bud for two days (while for some reason doing phone interviews for other applicants. How freaking CHEAP does that sound? We couldn't go to them to meet if they were busy during the playoffs?!).

But back to my point, we interviewed Bud for two days... it was clear they wanted him bad and after hearing a two day pitch, he said... uh... no. The only speculation there is that Bud was the problem at the end of the day.

 

[JerkFace]

truth is we interview Bud for two days (while for some reason doing phone interviews for other applicants. How freaking CHEAP does that sound? We couldn't go to them to meet if they were busy during the playoffs?!).

But back to my point, we interviewed Bud for two days... it was clear they wanted him bad and after hearing a two day pitch, he said... uh... no. The only speculation there is that Bud was the problem at the end of the day.

Equal speculation. I could name 4-5 equal reasons on what went down. If I ever find out the actual reason, then I will criticize or praise. I’m just not a fan of criticizing speculation. I prefer facts.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Equal speculation. I could name 4-5 equal reasons on what went down. If I ever find out the actual reason, then I will criticize or praise. I’m just not a fan of criticizing speculation. I prefer facts.

and how likely are your "equal reasons" considering everything we know about this franchises' ineptitude the last decade?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Equal speculation. I could name 4-5 equal reasons on what went down. If I ever find out the actual reason, then I will criticize or praise. I’m just not a fan of criticizing speculation. I prefer facts.

here's the fact. We interviewed him for TWO DAYS.

He backed out after.

We've also interviewed others by phone.

What can you draw from just basic business dealings about the want on both ends from those different scenarios.

We're not talking calculus level machinations here. If it looks like 5th grade math, it probably is.

 

[JerkFace]

here's the fact. We interviewed him for TWO DAYS.

He backed out after.

We've also interviewed others by phone.

What can you draw from just basic business dealings about the want on both ends from those different scenarios.

We're not talking calculus level machinations here. If it looks like 5th grade math, it probably is.

Maybe more money... maybe more power... maybe he didn’t like the fit... maybe he wanted another job more but we wanted an answer from him immediately... maybe he wanted an answer right away but we wanted to interview more... maybe maybe maybe... math deals in absolutes regardless of the grade. You're just guessing. Maybe you guessed right. Still just guessing though.

The worst part about this is that it appears that I am defending Sarver... and damn, I hate that guy.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Maybe more money... maybe more power... maybe he didn’t like the fit... maybe he wanted another job more but we wanted an answer from him immediately... maybe he wanted an answer right away but we wanted to interview more... maybe maybe maybe... math deals in absolutes regardless of the grade. You're just guessing. Maybe you guessed right. Still just guessing though.

The worst part about this is that it appears that I am defending Sarver... and damn, I hate that guy.

I don't hate him but I'd hate having to defend him too. And I agree, we know too little to conclude anything. They rushed into a bad coaching hire last time and we've been told all along that this will be a thorough search. And we've been told that compensation won't be a problem. So, we'll see.

 

[Mainstreet]

I guess I'm in the minority but I like Triano just fine. I dont think having a big name head coach is that big a deal in the NBA. Just someone who can relate to players better than some of our last coaches and FO personnel have.

Boo!

I like Triano but I'd like to know how many of the Suns losses were attributed to coaching compared to a lack of talent and the emphasis on developing the young players.

If Triano was coaching to strictly to develop the young players... I believe this to be the case... then I like him a lot.

The part that bothers me a bit, can the on/off switch be achieved from last season.

 

[AzStevenCal]

If Triano is our choice, I won't rush to judgement but I don't know how anyone could be excited by it. Maybe he has learned what it takes to survive and thrive as a Head Coach and all he needs is a real chance (actual players, time to coach them up etc.).

But one thing that hasn't been mentioned (that I've seen) that really worries me is that this team was not developing at all and he was right there trying to coach them up as an assistant. It's tough for me to look forward to watching anyone from Watson's staff given how little anyone improved during his tenure.

I don't think Triano is the choice though. I'm hoping we're mostly just waiting for Igor to be freed from playoff responsibilities.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

dude... a college coach at GC-FREAKING-U said thanks but no thanks. Not Duke, Not Nova...

GCU.

What does it matter what college team he is coaching? He seems to be very happy with his current situation and has maybe even grown attached to the players he is coaching.

On top of that it's not as if Majerle absolutely needs the extra money. Maybe he just doesn't want to work for Sarver or maybe he is simply happy with the work he is currently doing.

Unless you have heard directly from Majerle as to his reasoning it is simply speculation.

 

[Cheesebeef]

What does it matter what college team he is coaching? He seems to be very happy with his current situation and has maybe even grown attached to the players he is coaching.

On top of that it's not as if Majerle absolutely needs the extra money. Maybe he just doesn't want to work for Sarver or maybe he is simply happy with the work he is currently doing.

Unless you have heard directly from Majerle as to his reasoning it is simply speculation.

Regardless of what Marjele wants, ANY NBA team getting a thanks but no thanks from a low level college coach is embarrassing.

Arguing otherwise is pretty myopic, IMO.

 

[Chaplin]

Regardless of what Marjele wants, ANY NBA team getting a thanks but no thanks from a low level college coach is embarrassing.

Arguing otherwise is pretty myopic, IMO.

You're using this to fit the narrative that McD and Sarver (and the Suns as a whole) are hopeless idiots.

I actually agree that those two guys are, but Majerle turning down the job isn't a big deal to me and doesn't reflect on the coaching search or the attractiveness of the job.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Regardless of what Marjele wants, ANY NBA team getting a thanks but no thanks from a low level college coach is embarrassing.

Arguing otherwise is pretty myopic, IMO.

I think it is pretty myopic to simply assume that you know what is going on in Majerle's head simply because he turned down a job opportunity.

 

[AzStevenCal]

You're using this to fit the narrative that McD and Sarver (and the Suns as a whole) are hopeless idiots.

I actually agree that those two guys are, but Majerle turning down the job isn't a big deal to me and doesn't reflect on the coaching search or the attractiveness of the job.

Just to be clear, he didn't turn down the job. He turned down the interview. AFAIC the front office handled him correctly this time. I really expected them to be petty and not even offer an olive branch. Inviting him to interview builds up his reputation and opens the door for reconciliation between the Suns and a local favorite. That's the right thing to do IMO.

 

[GatorAZ]

Majerle wasn’t taking any NBA job at this time.

 

[Mainstreet]

If Triano is our choice, I won't rush to judgement but I don't know how anyone could be excited by it. Maybe he has learned what it takes to survive and thrive as a Head Coach and all he needs is a real chance (actual players, time to coach them up etc.).

But one thing that hasn't been mentioned (that I've seen) that really worries me is that this team was not developing at all and he was right there trying to coach them up as an assistant. It's tough for me to look forward to watching anyone from Watson's staff given how little anyone improved during his tenure.

I don't think Triano is the choice though. I'm hoping we're mostly just waiting for Igor to be freed from playoff responsibilities.

I think you speak for a lot of Suns fans.

It could end up being the right choice but it is certainly not an exciting choice to charge up the players and fan base.

I wouldn't mind the Suns getting off to a fresh start either. I'm afraid keeping Triano will be seen by fans as more of the same old thing.

 

[Chaplin]

I think you speak for a lot of Suns fans.

It could end up being the right choice but it is certainly not an exciting choice to charge up the players and fan base.

I wouldn't might the Suns getting off to a fresh start either. I'm afraid keeping Triano will be seen by fans as more of the same old thing.

How is it NOT the "same old thing?"

Triano would be a huge mistake and could once again set this franchise back. I put it on par with drafting Alex Len.

 

[Mainstreet]

How is it NOT the "same old thing?"

Triano would be a huge mistake and could once again set this franchise back. I put it on par with drafting Alex Len.

Because Triano might make a good head coach when he has committed the Suns assets to winning.

Last season was all about developing the young players after Bledsoe pushed to get out.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Because Triano might make a good head coach when he has committed the Suns assets to winning.

Last season was all about developing the young players after Bledsoe pushed to get out.

Lol... the 180 turn back to Triano has already begun...

 

[Chaplin]

Because Triano might make a good head coach when he has committed the Suns assets to winning.

Last season was all about developing the young players after Bledsoe pushed to get out.

You keep saying this -- there was nothing about last season that pointed to ANYONE developing the young players. NOTHING.

 

[AzStevenCal]

You keep saying this -- there was nothing about last season that pointed to ANYONE developing the young players. NOTHING.

I just don't know how much developing can take place during the season? Players do improve during the season but it's usually expanding on work that was done prior to opening day. I'm more concerned with what appeared to be inconsistent effort. I'm also worried about the incredible defensive lapses we had at times.

Still, it was Triano without input on his assistants and with zero preseason/offseason work (as the man in charge). I choose him over Kidd, not sure if I'd take him over any of the other rumored or reported names. I hope he's near the bottom of our list.

 

[Chaplin]

I just don't know how much developing can take place during the season? Players do improve during the season but it's usually expanding on work that was done prior to opening day. I'm more concerned with what appeared to be inconsistent effort. I'm also worried about the incredible defensive lapses we had at times.

Still, it was Triano without input on his assistants and with zero preseason/offseason work (as the man in charge). I choose him over Kidd, not sure if I'd take him over any of the other rumored or reported names. I hope he's near the bottom of our list.

That does not excuse the multitude of problems off the court, especially at practices. You can develop during the season. Especially if you're a young team where wins don't matter. He played G-Leaguers all the time, how can you say you can't develop during the season?

Having unorganized practices should be a huge red flag with Triano. Never mind the fact that his record was abysmal, including 2 40-point losses--a big part of why his predecessor was fired.

 

[Hoop Head]

Regardless of what Marjele wants, ANY NBA team getting a thanks but no thanks from a low level college coach is embarrassing.

Arguing otherwise is pretty myopic, IMO.

You didn't like that they were giving Majerle an interview in the first place and now you're bashing them for not selling him on the job. There was no way for McD and Sarver to come out ahead with Majerle based on how you judged him as a college coach and them as GM and owner of the Suns. Would you have preferred Majerle be excited about the prospect of coaching the Suns only to be passed over for someone with NBA experience? Like the coaches they've talked about hiring? Majerle is the only exception to the criteria that McD has stated they're looking for. Everyone knew it was a courtesy call and nothing more. I can't blame Majerle for choosing to pass on them before they could pass on him.