Chriss and Knight traded

[JCSunsfan]

Wait, are you saying they will waive him NOW or next summer?

Just wondering if its a possibility.

 

[Finito]

Ok well now things have changed. Since the money is all the same you have to say The Suns got the better of this.

So is the last year of Andersons contract a team option?

 

[Mainstreet]

While that's nice it still doesn't make sense. I'd rather have Knight than Anderson, at the same salary.

I wouldn't.

The Suns finally got an opportunity to trade Knight and they took advantage. The Suns have already seen too much of Knight. It was a bad and costly trade.

 

[Superbone]

Maybe Warren will be used in a trade for a PG. However, what does this say about Josh Jackson if the Suns start Ariza at the 3.

It says that he is a 2nd year player and Ariza is a grizzled veteran that will help mentor the young fellow by example.

 

[JCSunsfan]

So. About Melton. The knock on him coming out was his shot, but so far in summer league, his shot seems to be a strength. He is an all around player who plays good D, shoots well, is a good defender for a pg. He is not a big leaper, but is reasonably fast.

So we swapped Chriss as a prospect for Melton as a prospect.
We swapped Knight as a vet for Ryno as a vet.

Both of the players we got seem to be better shooters, I think.

Meh. Ok.

 

[High Stakes]

I am honestly confused by everyone's opinion on this trade. I do not think it is a bad deal at all. I mean, Brandon Knight has been beyond terrible for the Suns...Just because he had a new attitude over the summer, doesn't make him good. Second, we got Chriss out of here before he starts to become toxic and a big distraction.

The Suns will not compete next year. We are going to be a bad team. It does not matter if we do not have a PG. In fact, it might actually be better. Shaq will try, okkkooobooo can get some run, and we will most likely get a better draft pick. So who really cares who we start at PG.

For the people saying Anderson will not help us and is owed big money for 2 years....Ya ok, he will either be a great expiring deal or we can waive him after this season. Either way, he will be 10000000% better locker room presence than Chriss or Knight...and that alone makes it ok with me.

We will be a bottom 3 team in the west next season with or without knight and chriss...i do not believe we made this deal to become a "better" team, we made this deal to remove crappy attitudes from the locker room for Ayton and Booker. This is addition by subtraction and honestly who cares if Anderson is on the hook for 2 years....we are 2 years out from making the playoffs and chriss wont poison the minds of our very young squad..

 

[Mainstreet]

Ok well now things have changed. Since the money is all the same you have to say The Suns got the better of this.

So is the last year of Andersons contract a team option?

As I understand it, Anderson took less guaranteed money on his 2nd year to be traded. Knight and Anderson's contract are now near equal. He roughly gets paid the same amount as Knight in the 2nd year. It is still guaranteed though.

 

[Chaplin]

Wait, are you saying they will waive him NOW or next summer?

Next year. They'll be on the hook for what Knight would cost for the year, but they could waive him outright next summer.

So it really comes down to paying Anderson an extra 6m this year for the rights to control Melton, while getting rid of dead weight on our end. Starting to not look so bad.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

I think this was more about dumping Knight and Chriss, than getting Anderson. Knight is a horrible PG and made everyone around him worse. He was top in the NBA at making players worse around him, that is the worst option at PG for a young team and add in getting bad attitude Lazy Chriss gone and its addition by subtraction. They have stated they wanted a stretch 4 Ariza isnt a real stretch 4 and they got a shooter that fits the new system and another young PG. I think this speaks volumes more about Knight not working out, than a chase for Anderson

 

[slinslin]

They are not out any more money. They were probably thinking of letting Chriss walk anyway. They had to decide between Chriss and Bender. They only have enough minutes to let one or the other develop. They are just moving on now, rather than letting it drag on another year. This roster is too crowded with young players anyway.

The ony way Bender sees minutes is if we are actively tanking again.

Any of your small forwards is a better option at the 4 than Bender.

 

[Chaplin]

Ok well now things have changed. Since the money is all the same you have to say The Suns got the better of this.

So is the last year of Andersons contract a team option?

To be clear, the money is NOT the same. We are still paying Anderson 6m more THIS season than we would have Knight. Apparently Melton doesn't have a contract yet, so we'll see how Chriss' salary affects that.

So Chriss+Knight = around 19m in 2018-2019
Anderson+Melton = 20 for Anderson + whatever Melton is going to cost. We could still pay less than the 6m depending on Melton's contract. Let's say he gets 2.5m for 2018-2019, then we really are only paying an extra 3.5 this year for the rights to control Melton. Not too bad.

 

[JCSunsfan]

So Woj says that the Suns are continuing to try to work on another trade. They clearly did not see Knight as the answer at pg. Anderson adds another shooter with no more salary commitment. So the speculation about the Suns being content with the pg position, or not prioritizing it have been wrong.

Some say Lillard is being shopped.

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[JCSunsfan]

To be clear, the money is NOT the same. We are still paying Anderson 6m more THIS season than we would have Knight. Apparently Melton doesn't have a contract yet, so we'll see how Chriss' salary affects that.

So Chriss+Knight = around 19m in 2018-2019
Anderson+Melton = 20 for Anderson + whatever Melton is going to cost. We could still pay less than the 6m depending on Melton's contract. Let's say he gets 2.5m for 2018-2019, then we really are only paying an extra 3.5 this year for the rights to control Melton. Not too bad.

But the salary this year doesn't really matter. That's all just money in Sarver's pocket. Cap space in free agency next summer is what matters.

 

[Chaplin]

But the salary this year doesn't really matter. That's all just money in Sarver's pocket. Cap space in free agency next summer is what matters.

It actually DOES matter if you're trying to still acquire assets this season.

 

[Folster]

Ok well now things have changed. Since the money is all the same you have to say The Suns got the better of this.

So is the last year of Andersons contract a team option?

No, but only 15.6m is guaranteed. So they can waive him next summer and save 5.4 million.

 

[Chaplin]

No, but only 15.6m is guaranteed. So they can waive him next summer and save 5.4 million.

Yes, the cost for waiving Anderson will be the same cost we would have had if we waived Knight.

 

[JCSunsfan]

It actually DOES matter if you're trying to still acquire assets this season.

Not really. We did not have enough room left to actually sign anyone anyway.

 

[Chaplin]

Not really. We did not have enough room left to actually sign anyone anyway.

Trades, not signings. Anderson's salary is much harder to trade than Knight's was.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Yes, the cost for waiving Anderson will be the same cost we would have had if we waived Knight.

Right. So we swapped a vet pg who would be in the way of whatever starting pg they get before the season starts and we swapped our young prospect PF Chriss for a young prospect pg Melton. I would not call it a good trade. Its sort of a meh one. They had clearly decided that BK was not the starting pg we wanted. If that was the case, he had to go. He would just be in the way. We got rid of our most immature player for a vet big who can shoot.

The next trade is the important one.

 

[Chaplin]

Right. So we swapped a vet pg who would be in the way of whatever starting pg they get before the season starts and we swapped our young prospect PF Chriss for a young prospect pg Melton. I would not call it a good trade. Its sort of a meh one. They had clearly decided that BK was not the starting pg we wanted. If that was the case, he had to go. He would just be in the way. We got rid of our most immature player for a vet big who can shoot.

The next trade is the important one.

What will your thoughts be when/if that next trade doesn’t happen?

 

[JCSunsfan]

Next year. They'll be on the hook for what Knight would cost for the year, but they could waive him outright next summer.

So it really comes down to paying Anderson an extra 6m this year for the rights to control Melton, while getting rid of dead weight on our end. Starting to not look so bad.

Yeah. I am agreeing with you. Its not looking bad so much as necessary housekeeping. It is not pleasant, happy, or good--just necessary.

 

[JCSunsfan]

What will your thoughts be when/if that next trade doesn’t happen?

I guess that depends on what the trade is. If it is Lin, I won't be that high on it.

Now, if we could find a way to nab Lillard, I will be thrilled.

 

[elindholm]

I guess that depends on what the trade is. If it is Lin, I won't be that high on it.

Now, if we could find a way to nab Lillard, I will be thrilled.

Even if the Suns were pursuing Lillard, their resources to land him just got weaker, not stronger.

 

[Chaplin]

Even if the Suns were pursuing Lillard, their resources to land him just got weaker, not stronger.

That's definitely debatable. But I think the point is that regardless of what we just returned, we still have assets, even outside the two players we just got. And I would argue that Melton might be the best asset out of the 4 involved.

 

[devilalum]

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