Cleveland interested in Amare

[Folster]

Usually, in order to rebuild something, you have to tear it down first. This team is going nowhere with its current players and is way past the point of a renovation.

 

[devilalum]

The Cleveland trade scenario hurts because Hickson could/should have been included in the Shaq trade last year! Its a slap in the face if they go down that path!

At least the Miami deal is an attempt at value for value while still becoming financially better off but also giving the team a foreseeable future with solid building blocks. You've got Beasley, who's better than Hickson, and you've got a higher no 1 pick on the table. Its seems way too logical for Kerr and Sarver, thus they probably won't do it.


PS Jared Dudley has started a don't trade Amare campaign on his twitter. lol.

You're making a lot of assumptions here. These are not known facts. And Beasley tried to kill himself. Not exactly the kind of guy you want to build around.

 

[The Polecat]

Does any one know what the actual offers are from Miami and Cleveland?
Are either actually willing to take Richardson?
Is there any offer on the table from Jersey or Chicago?
Is there anyone else interested?

 

[Mainstreet]

Usually, in order to rebuild something, you have to tear it down first. This team is going nowhere with its current players and is way past the point of a renovation.

Sort of like throw the baby out with the bath water?

I agree the Suns need to make changes with their roster, especially Amare or JRich but I have never been a believer that you have tear it down first before you rebuild... maybe some pieces yes.

I'm very proud to be a Steve Nash fan. It will likely be a very long time for the likes of him to come around again... not that you are suggesting moving Nash.

 

[Yuma]

Nash is worth his contract. Amar'e would be nice for less than max. This team will not win an NBA Championship. So why would we be scared to trade anyone from this team?

 

[Mainstreet]

Nash is worth his contract. Amar'e would be nice for less than max. This team will not win an NBA Championship. So why would we be scared to trade anyone from this team?

If Nash wanted to be traded I would do everything possible to accommodate him. However, he is a very special player and person. He makes me proud to be a Suns fan. I want Nash to finish his career with the Suns if that is his desire like Kevin Johnson.

Like you say,

This team will not win an NBA Championship.

I'd like to keep Nash around while the Suns rebuild.

 

[TBaslim]

Yup - I actually feel better about rebuilding with leaders like Nash and Hill for young guys to learn from and emulate. Assuming of course Nash and Hill want that. If either ever wanted out (to a contender) I am sure the Suns would accommodate them - they have earned it.

In a lot of ways, the same applies to Amare right now. The two likely rumored destinations are Miami, in his home state, or Cleveland, a contender.

 

[Sunburn]

Nash is worth his contract. Amar'e would be nice for less than max. This team will not win an NBA Championship. So why would we be scared to trade anyone from this team?

Cuz if you make bad trades it can take the franchise backwards rather than forwards

 

[Town Drunk]

Trade talks involving Amare Stoudemire have heated up between the Suns and Cavaliers -- one hangup is the Suns insistence that Jason Richardson (and his huge contract) be included in any deal.
The Cavs would likely give up Zydrunas Ilgauskas, J.J. Hickson and possibly Wally Szczerbiak, whose "Bird rights" are still owned by Cleveland. Phoenix may even be willing to buy out Ilgauskas, thus allowing him to return to the Cavs in 30 days. Such a deal could push them over the edge in their pursuit of a championship, but there's no guarantee the Shaq & Amare pairing will succeed -- it failed in Phoenix, after all.
Source:

 

[Sunburn]

Trade talks involving Amare Stoudemire have heated up between the Suns and Cavaliers -- one hangup is the Suns insistence that Jason Richardson (and his huge contract) be included in any deal.
The Cavs would likely give up Zydrunas Ilgauskas, J.J. Hickson and possibly Wally Szczerbiak, whose "Bird rights" are still owned by Cleveland. Phoenix may even be willing to buy out Ilgauskas, thus allowing him to return to the Cavs in 30 days. Such a deal could push them over the edge in their pursuit of a championship, but there's no guarantee the Shaq & Amare pairing will succeed -- it failed in Phoenix, after all.
Source:

I don't even like Ilgauskas that much, but paying him to go play for another team a la Ben Wallace will make me puke. Essentially it would be Amare for Hickson. Why not just do the deal with Miami? You'd have a huge expiring with O'neil, a reasonably priced young asset with a lot of upside in Beasley, and cheap, athletic youth in a draft pick. Doesn't that accomplish as much or more without making me want to burn US Airways Center down? Isn't that a better deal than Hickson and a scorched arena Kerr? Cuz I swear, you trade Amare for Hickson and I will burn that mother#*$@er down.

 

[WildBB]

I don't even like Ilgauskas that much, but paying him to go play for another team a la Ben Wallace will make me puke. Essentially it would be Amare for Hickson. Why not just do the deal with Miami? You'd have a huge expiring with O'neil, a reasonably priced young asset with a lot of upside in Beasley, and cheap, athletic youth in a draft pick. Doesn't that accomplish as much or more without making me want to burn US Airways Center down? Isn't that a better deal than Hickson and a scorched arena Kerr? Cuz I swear, you trade Amare for Hickson and I will burn that mother#*$@er down.

I wouldn't touch Beasley right now. He's still too volatile. The Hickson deal I would do. And it might get done.

 

[mojorizen7]

I'd like to keep Nash around while the Suns rebuild.

My take is that it's not possible(unless the plan is to rebuild another SSOL team>>>God forbid), and i want what's best for the team in the long run.

 

[The Polecat]

If the Cleveland deal goes down it better include at least a couple first round picks because a Cleveland pick will be at the very end of the first round.
Hickson and expiring contracts is simply not enough

 

[ASUCHRIS]

If the Cleveland deal goes down it better include at least a couple first round picks because a Cleveland pick will be at the very end of the first round.
Hickson and expiring contracts is simply not enough

The best part about it is an end of the first round pick is often less valuable than a high 2nd. (Because the 1st round contract is guaranteed)

 

[sunsfan88]

If we can get Varejou and Hickson for Amare then it woun't be a bad idea if we can add some 1st rd picks to it.

 

[Sunburn]

I wouldn't touch Beasley right now. He's still too volatile. The Hickson deal I would do. And it might get done.

Then you get a third team involved who want Beasley. Trust me, there's plenty. The guy has a lot of talent. We're getting a lot more value here than the Cleveland swap. Come on.

 

[cly2tw]

Yup - I actually feel better about rebuilding with leaders like Nash and Hill for young guys to learn from and emulate. Assuming of course Nash and Hill want that. If either ever wanted out (to a contender) I am sure the Suns would accommodate them - they have earned it.

In a lot of ways, the same applies to Amare right now. The two likely rumored destinations are Miami, in his home state, or Cleveland, a contender.

For a true rebuilding, you don't really want to have Nash to dominate the ball and make the game too easy for the young guys. This way, they can't learn the full set of skills needed for future from their mistakes. Nash is just the decoration to cover Sarver's cheap backside while we are destined the future of Phoenix Clippers from now on.

 

[hsandhu]

Trade talks involving Amare Stoudemire have heated up between the Suns and Cavaliers -- one hangup is the Suns insistence that Jason Richardson (and his huge contract) be included in any deal.
The Cavs would likely give up Zydrunas Ilgauskas, J.J. Hickson and possibly Wally Szczerbiak, whose "Bird rights" are still owned by Cleveland. Phoenix may even be willing to buy out Ilgauskas, thus allowing him to return to the Cavs in 30 days. Such a deal could push them over the edge in their pursuit of a championship, but there's no guarantee the Shaq & Amare pairing will succeed -- it failed in Phoenix, after all.
Source:

Where are you getting that info? Wally is not with cleveland anymore.

Anyway, it is appropriate this deal goes. it will be the final act of rape and pillage of this organization done by Robert Sarver.

 

[TJ]

Where are you getting that info? Wally is not with cleveland anymore.

Anyway, it is appropriate this deal goes. it will be the final act of rape and pillage of this organization done by Robert Sarver.

Agree

I miss Matrix, Joe Johnson and some of the other role players, like Kurt Thomas, that we didn't need to get rid of.

But hey, at least we have all of this cash in the banker's bank

 

[Divide Et Impera]

For a true rebuilding, you don't really want to have Nash to dominate the ball and make the game too easy for the young guys. This way, they can't learn the full set of skills needed for future from their mistakes. Nash is just the decoration to cover Sarver's cheap backside while we are destined the future of Phoenix Clippers from now on.

Truth is spoken!

I love Nash. He is a great player. He is the face of the franchise. That said, Nash is merely a cover. He's a guy whose face Sarver can print on the tickets. He's a guy who can headline Suns events. He's a guy who is USED to maintain ticket sale volumes. That's all he is.

Sarver isn't keeping him around for a championship run. Sarver isn't keeping him around for anything other than maintaining revenues to the team. This stymies our future as an organization. It only delays (unnecessarily) the rebuilding period that will come. It maintains mediocrity.

I want to trade Nash, but I want to trade him to a team where he could get a championship OR to a team he wants to go to. We need to accelerate the rebuild here....

 

[Folster]

If we could convince Miami to take J Rich now, a deal would look like this:

Stoudemire, Richardson, and Griffin, for Beasely, Haslem, Q. Richardson, and James Jones. That would give us $ 5 million in cap relief this year, another $20 million this summer, and better talent in return than the Cleveland trade. A pick included by Miami would seal the deal for me. Can Miami just watch while Cleveland constructs a dynasty, or will they up their offer?

If the Suns are dead set against Beasley, could we pull Memphis into the trade and switch Beasely for Gay? Memphis is playing well, but I don't think they want to pony up and pay Gay this summer. I think he'll be restricted so we could match all offers.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yglolyh

 

[AsUdUdE]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4913305

Looks like the suns are going to once again make one of the worst trades in NBA HISTORY.. my gosh I am going to be sick... what a JOKE...

Amare for Hickson/Z straight up in which we buy out Z, and he returns to the Cavs....

No picks, no including richardson, NOTHING... WHAT A JOKE, and the sad thing is, I have come to expect nothing less from $arver...

 

[Divide Et Impera]

If this trade goes down sans picks OR sans JRich, I'm done. We simply cannot lose Amare and STILL not have a pick in the draft....

 

[sunsallday]

Some of you guys got what you wanted. Some of you guys wanted Stoudemire out of here. Be careful for what you wish for. Did you guys seriously think that the SUns FO would get a good value deal for Stoudemire? The Suns are in deep ****!!!

 

[elindholm]

The best part about it is an end of the first round pick is often less valuable than a high 2nd. (Because the 1st round contract is guaranteed)

This tends to get overstated. Players chosen at the end of the first round don't make much more than the minimum their first two years (after which they can be cut), and you have to have someone on your roster. So the added expense of a late first-rounder versus an early second-rounder is trivial.