Coach Whis on Doug and Wolf This Morning

[82CardsGrad]

Matt should have been shipped out long ago if that's the case.

Totally agree with this! Just not sure if you can put that all on Whiz however...

 

[Buckybird]

If that's the case, then Whis should have had him out of Dodge LONG before this.

I think it's more likely they don't have much chemistry together...matt probably pusses around when he's with Whis because he's terrified of him, and Whis probably thinks Matt should man up and get with the program. Oil and water...that's my take.

If Whis comes in and says "Matt, take control of the effing huddle, get your people on the same page, you need to run this offense. Go downfield, don't worry about making mistakes" and Matt goes out and doesn't and then says "I'm playing well" then that's on Matt. If it happens again, then it's on Whis. If it happens again...it's on Whis. If it happens again...you get the point. BTW, if this is the case, it didn't just happen this year for the first time. Being a full-on idiot isn't something you wake up with....Matt should have been shipped out long ago if that's the case.

Post of the day!!!

 

[Shane]

If that's the case, then Whis should have had him out of Dodge LONG before this.

I think it's more likely they don't have much chemistry together...matt probably pusses around when he's with Whis because he's terrified of him, and Whis probably thinks Matt should man up and get with the program. Oil and water...that's my take.

If Whis comes in and says "Matt, take control of the effing huddle, get your people on the same page, you need to run this offense. Go downfield, don't worry about making mistakes" and Matt goes out and doesn't and then says "I'm playing well" then that's on Matt. If it happens again, then it's on Whis. If it happens again...it's on Whis. If it happens again...you get the point. BTW, if this is the case, it didn't just happen this year for the first time. Being a full-on idiot isn't something you wake up with....Matt should have been shipped out long ago if that's the case.

I not disagree with any of that. Problem is that this is still a bidwill run organization. They could be saying "Ken we have given this kid 40 million dollars. Please for heaven sake try and make it work. if you can't ok but now that Warners gone please give it your best shot. If it doesn't work and you choose DA fine. But give the kid the chance to turn himself" etc.... Etc.. That we will just never know!

 

[Red Dawn]

If Matt turns out to be one of those guys that practices lousy but is a gamer when it counts he will make Whiz look pretty bad if he leaves and finds success elsewhere.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I not disagree with any of that. Problem is that this is still a bidwill run organization. They could be saying "Ken we have given this kid 40 million dollars. Please for heaven sake try and make it work. if you can't ok but now that Warners gone please give it your best shot. If it doesn't work and you choose DA fine. But give the kid the chance to turn himself" etc.... Etc.. That we will just never know!

Ding Ding Ding Again!

You are on a roll Shane!

 

[Arizona's Finest]

If Matt turns out to be one of those guys that practices lousy but is a gamer when it counts he will make Whiz look pretty bad if he leaves and finds success elsewhere.

Thing is that won't mean a thing because its an entire different set of circumstances. He wouldn't have succeeded here because he couldn't run this offense for this coach.

Cmon guys its not like we have a lame duck Rich Kotite coach here who is about to get rid of our prodigy QB.

This is Ken Effing Whisenhunt - Nuff said.

 

[Cardiac]

never mind

 

[nashman]

He was a gamer! Some of his best games were big games, but I guess it doesn't matter. We have to go with whomever the Whiz chooses, hopefully Matt won't be kicking the Cards ass in the future on another team but probably will knowing how it will play out.

 

[Stout]

All I know is that Whis had better damned well know who he is rolling with at QB. If he doesn't, then the rest of the team doesn't, and they have no idea who to get behind going into the season. He doesn't have to tell us, but he'd better have already made a decision, or we are looking at plain disaster.

 

[Paso Fino]

My sense is that the Cardinals are talking to other teams about trading Matt and seeing if they can get something in return.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Thing is that won't mean a thing because its an entire different set of circumstances. He wouldn't have succeeded here because he couldn't run this offense for this coach.

Cmon guys its not like we have a lame duck Rich Kotite coach here who is about to get rid of our prodigy QB.

This is Ken Effing Whisenhunt - Nuff said.

I like Whiz as well the next, but can we slow down on the "Whiz the Almighty" stuff!

The only thing that SEEMS certain is that there is a CHEMISTRY issue between Whiz and Matt. Does it extend to the rest of the team; I don't know, and don't know how anyone can know at this point.

Are their differences such, that we should go into the season with a guy who over a career has needed GPS to locate a receiver?

 

[D-Dogg]

Thing is that won't mean a thing because its an entire different set of circumstances. He wouldn't have succeeded here because he couldn't run this offense for this coach.

This is the bottom line. Regardless of Toast's skillset, confidence and future career, it is abundantly clear that there is something about being in Whis' offense that simply won't work for Toast, be it skill required, leadership or simply working relationship (or a combination of the three). Even if Toast goes on to multiple probowls and wins a Super Bowl or two, the deal is that he never would have done that here (because he won't do that elsewhere playing timid). Perhaps a change of scenery will be good for all parties here.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

This is the bottom line. Regardless of Toast's skillset, confidence and future career, it is abundantly clear that there is something about being in Whis' offense that simply won't work for Toast, be it skill required, leadership or simply working relationship (or a combination of the three). Even if Toast goes on to multiple probowls and wins a Super Bowl or two, the deal is that he never would have done that here (because he won't do that elsewhere playing timid). Perhaps a change of scenery will be good for all parties here.

I wonder if Matt's play this preseason has hurt or helped his trade value....

 

[AzStevenCal]

I wonder if Matt's play this preseason has hurt or helped his trade value....

Do you really? Our first team offense has looked pathetic against average competition. I'm not saying it's all his fault but I don't see how that could have helped his trade value.

Steve

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Do you really? Our first team offense has looked pathetic against average competition. I'm not saying it's all his fault but I don't see how that could have helped his trade value.

Steve

Completing 80%+ of his passes and over 100 passer rating in these hostile conditions has to be worth something.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

The interesting thing in all of this is none of the media has mentioned how bad the Cards O-lnie has been throug all of this mess RE: Matt by blaming him solely for his "poor" play this preseason.

Yet when discussing other QB struggles this preseason the media excuses their poor play because the Oline stinks: Romo and Manning hace recieved free passes because of their lines. Sanchez hasn't been harped on even though he has flat out stunk.

Why the "special' treatment for Leinart who has had much, much better camp/preseason than those three?

 

[AzStevenCal]

Completing 80%+ of his passes and over 100 passer rating in these hostile conditions has to be worth something.

I guess. It would be better than routinely throwing downfield and missing your receiver. Still, if they both lead to 3 and outs it's not much to hang your hat on.

Steve

 

[MrYeahBut]

I'm having a hard time believing the players aren't divided over this... I mean, even though they are elite athletes, they're just people.

Look how we are divided and we're just people too

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I guess. It would be better than routinely throwing downfield and missing your receiver. Still, if they both lead to 3 and outs it's not much to hang your hat on.

Steve

If the 3 and out is because of your RT being so abused it makes you want to cry, or the left side if your line being bullied holding your RB's to negative yards.... it's hard to find fault in the QB for drives stalling in that case.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I'm having a hard time believing the players aren't divided over this... I mean, even though they are elite athletes, they're just people.

Look how we are divided and we're just people too

Exactly my point. If you start Leinart, you might have some internally question what's going on. You do it in the media, and you have EVERYONE question what is happening.

 

[Pariah]

we're just people too

speak for yourself.

 

[Shane]

Exactly my point. If you start Leinart, you might have some internally question what's going on. You do it in the media, and you have EVERYONE question what is happening.

What are you talking about exactly?

 

[MrYeahBut]

speak for yourself.

We were, we were just using the 'royal plural'...and we are not amused with your comment





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[dreamcastrocks]

What are you talking about exactly?

Leinart, the decision to bench him, and the timing of said benching.

If Whisenhunt states from the very beginning that this is an open QB competition, none of this drama is there. (well, there will be some there, but not the type and furor we are seeing now) Instead, he names Leinart the starter. He shot himself in the foot, ESPECIALLY if he had doubts about Leinart prior to this off-season. He could have given the same PC type response he is good at giving.

Now, he benches Leinart before what everyone considers the most important game of the preseason. Herein lies the drama.

 

[Shane]

Leinart, the decision to bench him, and the timing of said benching.

If Whisenhunt states from the very beginning that this is an open QB competition, none of this drama is there. (well, there will be some there, but not the type and furor we are seeing now) Instead, he names Leinart the starter. He shot himself in the foot; ESPECIALLY if he had doubts about Leinart prior to this off-season. He could have given the same PC type response he is good at giving.

He gave Leinart the #1 spot from the beginning(who else was on the roster when that was said). But he outright stated in the media that DA would be given the chance to compete when he signed. It doesn't get any more clear than that.

Don't blame Whiz. Blame Matt for not being a leader and not being able to run this offense. He lost the job at this point.