Coleman signed by Eagles...

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aargh...

Don't you guys remember history? We brought Coleman in, offered him a contract, and he promptly rejected us and went elsewhere.

Wasn't it three years ago? Or was it only two?

There is bad history between Coleman and the Cards.
 

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When did we draft Johnson compared to Walker though? I remember reading that Walker was surprised he wasn't picked in the first round and a couple teams had promised him they would. Johnson was considered a project and hasn't shown much at all. I think a lot less people would have been shocked if we cut Johnson compared to how many had been shocked when we cut Walker. I knew Walker hadn't shown too much but I thought his potential was too great to just cut him...
 

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Originally posted by SunCardfan
When did we draft Johnson compared to Walker though? I remember reading that Walker was surprised he wasn't picked in the first round and a couple teams had promised him they would. Johnson was considered a project and hasn't shown much at all. I think a lot less people would have been shocked if we cut Johnson compared to how many had been shocked when we cut Walker. I knew Walker hadn't shown too much but I thought his potential was too great to just cut him...

Both Darwin Walker and Dennis Johnson were taken in the 3rd round.
 

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Ok I just thought Walker was considered to be more valuable a pick then Johnson, maybe I'm wrong. I just remember Walker being considered a "steal" where Johnson some people considered as a reach.
 

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Originally posted by Skkorpion
aargh...

Don't you guys remember history? We brought Coleman in, offered him a contract, and he promptly rejected us and went elsewhere.

Wasn't it three years ago? Or was it only two?

There is bad history between Coleman and the Cards.

One of the main reasons I didn't really care if Coleman came here now or not. I mean, he is better than Wakefield IMO but if he was too good for us then (in the ego sense or whatever) than I really don't want him around now.
 

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Originally posted by AZCB34
Actually you completely missed the whole point on my post but that is OK. I was merely making comment about about Cheesebeefs new attitude and how his calm demeanor would change if the Lions won. Guess I should have put ina smiley face.

But now that you have opened this can...

You are right (and if you truly believe I have a one game mentality, then you don't pay attention to me) a hurdler focuses on the finish line. But every race starts with the first step and hurdle. If the hurdler trips over the very first hurdle, he will come limping across the finish line in last place. So while the goal of the finish line is good, if he forgets about the hurdles he is done.

I don't want to finish in last...I want to win games. Personally I could care less about Marco Coleman. Never really a fan of his. It is what he represents to me that is more botehrsome but at this point who cares.

Finally, if the Cards do lose Sunday, you better not come back because everyone will be going nuts. AS good team ( a team I know you want and hope for ) wins the winnable games...and this is a winnable game.

Anyways, like I said, you missed the true intention of my post. A smiley would have helped.

Actually Cubby, my post wasn't directed at you specifically. I just used your quote as an example of the mindset that seems prevalent with quite a few people lately. That's why I only posted the quote and not the credit. I apologize for not making myself clearer on that.
My point was only to address those people who go into a chicken little routine with each days events, rather than looking at the overall picture.
 

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quote:
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Originally posted by SunCardfan
Maybe it's just me but I think if we had signed Coleman Tango would have thought it was a great move because it was the Cardinals who made it.
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To which I replied:
Obviously you seem to be lacking in some comprehension skills to make such a foolish statement.


to which then you followed up with:

Originally posted by SunCardfan
Tango I was asking you why you think I lack comprehension skills. How so was a simplier way of asking that question. Why do you think you rest your case by me asking "how so?"

I don't know how I could have made it any clearer. You posted your foolish comment about me thinking ANY move by the Cards is good just because it was the Cards who made it. That was a total BS comment and shows how little you actually know about me, yet you post garbage like that. Go play your childish games on someone else, I aint buying your load of BS.
 

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WC, I admit I was confused when I read it.

As I interpreted it the post it sounded more like one from Cheesie not you.

Never underestimate how dense your readers are.
 

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But we are not near a super bowl and to disrupt are younger player for what maybe they know more than we know. I 'll keep my trust in Graves and his plan.


I know to you it may sound funny out of context, but I have said from the very beginning of the Graves era that until proven wrong I will stand behind what they do. I think he is on the road to building something and maybe I'm wrong but time will tell us that. Coleman would have been nice to have some think but he would not have been the difference maker. He would only be here one year or less. Why disrupt what you are trying to do. The players appear to like being here. We have more talent than last year. There is a sence of going foward. If thats funny so be it!

GBR
 

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You like insulting people on this board Tango, why do you feel you have to do that? I honestly don't feel that you would have been upset if the Cardinals had picked up Coleman and I believe most people would agree with me on this board.
 

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Originally posted by Tangodnzr
There we have it boys and girls. Another perfect example of tunnel vision and the resultant failure to comprehend any other view than the already pre-determined take, replete with the usual twisting of anyone else's comments to fit YOUR own spin, while accusing others of doing the very same thing you are guilty of.

Boring, simply boring.

....and to accuse ME, of all people, of being defeatist in regard to the Cards and to question whether I am a fan or not, is just about the most asinine thing I've seen in quite a while. You become more pathetic with each ignorant such posts.
:rolleyes:

Ah, the famous Tango :rolleyes: Damn, he just clinched his argument with that one.

Well, 'there we have it, boys and girls'. Tango completely ignores the content of my post, which called him out on several important points regarding his own posts, and goes directly to insulting.

Not only does he not, in any sense, address what I said, he felt the need to insult instead.

'Boring, simply boring' (which is actually a divergence from his normal 'amazing, simply amazing').

Tango, you said, and I don't have the direct quote in front of me, that since we weren't a SB team, that +/- 2 games isn't worth spending money.

You ALSO said, in more words than I am using, that signing Marco Coleman would somehow mortgage our future.

Now, I called you on these items. Do you think you could have the common courtesy to actually respond? No, because you don't have a response, other than your normal childish drivel. I shouldn't even bother, outside of the fact that you prove the opposite of your position to other posters by this typical and unneccessary bombast.
 

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Originally posted by seesred
Coleman would have been nice to have some think but he would not have been the difference maker.
GBR

I think we need to get past the difference maker angle. Coleman is no difference maker nor is Fred Wakefield or Dennis Johnson. If he didn't want to come here, then so be it. I'd take that. It just seemed like Graves was pushing off pursuing Coleman for the purposes of money w/ 12 million in cap funds at his disposal. I don't buy the "let's see what our guys can do this Sunday line." Does anyone seriously think Dennis Johnson is going to get significant (if any) playing time? Does anyone think that Fred Wakefield is going to look like anything other than the role player that he was last season or this pre-season. No, I think Marco Coleman could come in here and start right away at LE. If anything he could at least help out King and Pace as there is nobody on the defensive line with more than 6 years experience and nobody on defense that has more than 8 years in the league. Coleman has 12 which is exactly the same as Blake and two years less than Emmitt. Funny, there doesn't seem to be any outcry over two veterans the same age or older than Coleman taking up roster spots or clogging up precious cap space during a "long-term" rebuilding process.
Last thing I’ll say about this as the season is near and those on this board are, no doubt, looking forward to seeing what this team can do. I just wish Rod Graves would give you guys more of a reason to.
 

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Originally posted by RLakin
I think we need to get past the difference maker angle. Coleman is no difference maker nor is Fred Wakefield or Dennis Johnson. If he didn't want to come here, then so be it. I'd take that. It just seemed like Graves was pushing off pursuing Coleman for the purposes of money w/ 12 million in cap funds at his disposal. I don't buy the "let's see what our guys can do this Sunday line." Does anyone seriously think Dennis Johnson is going to get significant (if any) playing time? Does anyone think that Fred Wakefield is going to look like anything other than the role player that he was last season or this pre-season. No, I think Marco Coleman could come in here and start right away at LE. If anything he could at least help out King and Pace as there is nobody on the defensive line with more than 6 years experience and nobody on defense that has more than 8 years in the league. Coleman has 12 which is exactly the same as Blake and two years less than Emmitt. Funny, there doesn't seem to be any outcry over two veterans the same age or older than Coleman taking up roster spots or clogging up precious cap space during a "long-term" rebuilding process.
Last thing I’ll say about this as the season is near and those on this board are, no doubt, looking forward to seeing what this team can do. I just wish Rod Graves would give you guys more of a reason to.

well said sir, and a nice post. One comment and one question.

1. There has been a significant amount of whinning and gnashing of teeth about emmitts age. Frequent have been the comparsions to franco harris and oj simpson.


2. who are "you guys"?
 

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Originally posted by SunCardfan
You like insulting people on this board Tango, why do you feel you have to do that?
Not as a general rule, but in cases like yours I will certainly make an exception. Philosophically is that right? Maybe not, but it was you who first posted the foolish comment about me. Quit whining like a little baby simply because I respond to your insult.
I honestly don't feel that you would have been upset if the Cardinals had picked up Coleman And therein is exactly why I so disdain your original comment. You ask me why I responded to you like I did, yet it was you who initiated the ad hominum (sp). For you to assume that you know how I think or feel, and to post so, is so incredibly, incredibly ignorant. . . and demeaning. Why is it that you kick a sleeping dog, and wonder why he bites you? Are you really that stupid? and I believe most people would agree with me on this board.
What, is this a contest to see who can make a post to see who can get the most people to agree with them?
Amazing, simply amazing!!!




 

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Just a trend I've seen from you, Tango you back most moves Graves makes and I think you would have backed him if he had decided to sign Coleman. If someone had said it was stupid to sign Colman after that you probably would have called them out. I've read this board for years and read many of your posts. I don't think it is incredibly ignorant to think that you would have changed your viewpoint if Graves had decided to make a different decision. To point out my opinion was not so off the wall I mentioned that most posters on this board would probably agree with me. You didn't deny that so I guess you think most of the posters on here are incredibly ignorant? Well coming from you that isn't a surprise, you probably think you are one of a very few posters on this board who isn't ignorant. I'm surprised you feel what I said was so cutting. I think what you post towards others is much more insulting.

You seem to insult people who disagree with the Cardinals moves and I don't see why you have to do that. You start off your first reply by saying that the subjects that were being brought up recently were basically too stupid for you to respond to. You basically insulted a lot of people right there. I just don't know why you feel you have to insult people. I doubt you have too many friends on this board because of you constantly trying to cut people down. I guess I was just trying to defend their opinions and didn't feel that their opinions were so far off that they needed to be insulted.

I really don't care to argue with you anymore. Insult as many people as you like. I'll stay out of it next time.
 
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Originally posted by Crimson Warrior
well said sir, and a nice post. One comment and one question.

1. There has been a significant amount of whinning and gnashing of teeth about emmitts age. Frequent have been the comparsions to franco harris and oj simpson.


2. who are "you guys"?

Thanks.

1. I think the concern is justified. The historical precedent set by running backs Emmitt's age does not bode well for the Cards, especially if they refuse to sit him in favor of Shipp, should the latter out perform Smith this season (which I think he will). Moreover there are two running backs left from Smith's draft class, Brian Mitchell and Larry Centers, and neither have near the mileage that Smith has.

2. It was a reference to the good fans that follow this team and post on this board. I've been most impressed by the support that this organization garners from those loyal on this board. In the immortal words of Han Solo: "Good Luck........You're going to need it."
 

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Originally posted by Stout
Ah, the famous Tango :rolleyes: Damn, he just clinched his argument with that one.

Well, 'there we have it, boys and girls'. I see, if nothing else, at least you are learning to imitate me. They say imitation is the most sincere form of flattery. Thank you, Stout, there may be hope for you yet. Tango completely ignores the content of my post, which called him out on several important points regarding his own posts, and goes directly to insulting. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!

Not only does he not, in any sense, address what I said, he felt the need to insult instead.

'Boring, simply boring' (which is actually a divergence from his normal 'amazing, simply amazing'). * see my first comment above

Tango, you said, and I don't have the direct quote in front of me, that since we weren't a SB team, that +/- 2 games isn't worth spending money.
No, that is not what I said at all, and that is a perfect example of what I referred to in my earlier response to your post in regard to twisting others words to fit YOUR take. Maybe you SHOULD have had the direct quote in front of you before you spouted off. what I actually said was:
HERE, the difference of a win or 2 probably isn't going to make the difference whether the Cards win the Super Bowl or not this year, and bringing someone like Coleman in, is just not a top priority, at the moment.

You ALSO said, in more words than I am using, that signing Marco Coleman would somehow mortgage our future.
...and I was referring more to the personnel involved, not the money. Once again you interpret my words to fit YOUR take. My point was simply that bringing in an old free agent, on the downside of his career (and that doesn't mean just Coleman) in an attempt go for the instant fix now, would mean cutting a younger player on the roster that may very well pay better dividends a year or two from now.

Now, I called you on these items. Do you think you could have the common courtesy to actually respond? No, because you don't have a response, other than your normal childish drivel.Wrong again. Your wish has been granted. :cool:
In fact, I'm even going to go above and beyond your "calling out" and respond to a couple more of "your important points".
I shouldn't even bother, outside of the fact that you prove the opposite of your position to other posters by this typical and unneccessary bombast. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!

Originally posted by Stout:
So, to you, you don't CARE if we win +/- 2 extra games? It just isn't a PRIORITY to you? Uh, hello, are you a frickin' FAN or not?

You are half right here. My comment (regarding priority)was based on observation of the Cards action/inaction in this area...and in that sense it is MY take of the situation, yes.
....and your questioning whether I am "a frickin' FAN or not" is so childish, immature, and uncalled for, that I really shouldn't even bother to respond to YOUR drivel anyway.


Originally posted by Stout:
Okay, in the two posts I've quoted here, you're making two points that are so defeatist that I'd have to question your desire to win.
YOU are calling ME defeatest? LOL, what a joke. I'm not the one that's been flooding the board with a bunch of negativity about how inept Graves and the Cards have been conducting business. YOU are the one that has been doing that. If anything I'm normally labeled a prime "kool-aider". YOU question MY desire to win? You are indeed becoming a joke!!!

 
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Originally posted by RLakin
Moreover there are two running backs left from Smith's draft class, Brian Mitchell and Larry Centers, and neither have near the mileage that Smith has.

And neither is near the runner that Smith is.
 

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can we continue arguing if we should have brought someone in on the defensive line.. I still think we errored by not bringing anyone in..

at cornerback...tough one because the guys available are not very good.
 

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Originally posted by pinnacle
can we continue arguing if we should have brought someone in on the defensive line.. I still think we errored by not bringing anyone in..

at cornerback...tough one because the guys available are not very good.

Yeah, Dan Wilkinson looked terrible today.
 

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And Marco Coleman can cover Ricks better than Wakefield.:D
 
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