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Just because you pick up a guy off waivers dont mean squat! The Cards could have called him and asked if he had interest. He could have said no way no how. If you claim me off waivers Ill retire! Much like an ultimatum one Aeneas Williams gave us! So what would be the point in claiminng him?
None of you know what happened behind closed doors and thats the bottom line!
don't get me started on waiver claims...I always thought it was a good idea - that is if I understand how it works. You are liable for the salary for essentially one season - after that you can cut the guy and their should not be a cap hit (i.e. because their is no signing bonus). There seems to be some unspoken rule among NFL teams that you do not claim old vets off of the waiver wire. I rarely see it happen on guys that have been around awhile..although I just may not understand how it works and am making the wrong assumption. Someone may have mentioned that after you have been in the league for 4 years you cannot be claimed off of waivers - you automatically may become a free agent - if so it would make sense why it never happens!!
I was drinking the Kool-aid a few weeks ago - but after KVB and marcus bell went down - I am a little shocked we have not signed someone to replace them (I think bell would have been a starter by now). It is not like the guys at the bottom of the list for roster spots on the defensive line are so valuable that we have to save a roster spot for them. As I said before - I am not sure I would have done anything at WR or cornerback - but we should have brought in a defensive lineman or two - some talent was available (not a ton - but probably a few guys who were better than people on our roster).
shane H: valid point..but I did say in another post that we have have been all over coleman and at his age he may have said no. But...at tackle or end there have been some guys available (it seems that a ton of tackles over the age of 30 changed hands this season). we needed a vet on the dline - especially after KVB and bell.
I was drinking the Kool-aid a few weeks ago - but after KVB and marcus bell went down - I am a little shocked we have not signed someone to replace them (I think bell would have been a starter by now). It is not like the guys at the bottom of the list for roster spots on the defensive line are so valuable that we have to save a roster spot for them. As I said before - I am not sure I would have done anything at WR or cornerback - but we should have brought in a defensive lineman or two - some talent was available (not a ton - but probably a few guys who were better than people on our roster).
shane H: valid point..but I did say in another post that we have have been all over coleman and at his age he may have said no. But...at tackle or end there have been some guys available (it seems that a ton of tackles over the age of 30 changed hands this season). we needed a vet on the dline - especially after KVB and bell.
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While I don't disagree with the scenario, it was pretty obvious Graves wasn;t going to do anything until after Monday. He said as much so I would guess he may not have even called Coleman/agent since he wasn't going to move on him. There would have been little need to contact him since I think most of us knew Coleman was going to be gone before the weekend.
When the player is claimed off waivers, he is automatically on the 53 man roster which means you must cut a player (or IR a guy). Had they claimed him, I am betting Mcaddley would have hit IR (with his ankle that needs surgery after the season) or maybe Johnson would have been cut.
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I got to believe they know more than us. We see a position and say fill it, they see a player and say he can or can't help us now. If we were one player away from a super bowl and that was a d-lineman maybe Marco. But we are not near a super bowl and to disrupt are younger player for what maybe they know more than we know. I 'll keep my trust in Graves and his plan.
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Yeah, because Jacksonville was right on the cusp of a Super Bowl. No, I think this is yet another example of the Cards organization passing a player because of money (i.e. "guaranteed" ). Had they not pulled the same stunt last season with Clement on IR and Roundtree and Fina on the open market you may have had a point. Ditto for the Center fiasco of two years ago. Thirdly, Coleman was not brought in for a workout. Now, nobody knows what happened behind closed doors but I think these factors point towards the highly plausible scenario that no whole-hearted effort was made towards adding a good veteran at a bad position.
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I think it's a vested vet of up to 5 years that can't be claimed, but I'll double check. If it is the case, and Coleman did not want to come here as a FA then the Cards should not be criticized over this particular move (or lack there of).
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Well, all I have to say is...we screwed the pooch. *Best Dennis Leary voice* Yeah Rod, thanks for calling...how's the 'belly' of your team now?
Everyone on here has been clamoring about how they're confident in Graves, how if he didn't want him he must be washed up, he's too old, etc, blah blah blah *company line* blah blah.
Well, Philly thought he was a decent replacement left end. Let's compare our roster to Philly's. Oh wait, no, that would be an UNfavorable argument as to whether or not Graves screwed this up. Can't have that now, can we.
Face facts, blind Graves supporters. Coleman showed something to a very good team to make them want to sign him. I would wager, since our D-line can't at this point hold a candle to Philly's, that makes him better than Wakefield. I'd say this is fairly logical. Of course, the fact that Wakefield would probably start on NO other NFL roster contributes as well.
But, when the Pats traded for Ted Washington and were lauded by many in the sports world for a great move to bolster their defense, and some question why we couldn't do something like that, we were blasted. Of course, the board 'spin doctors' shall inevitably come down upon me, curse me for a blind negativist, and say everything is peaches and cream.
I reiterate-we screwed the pooch. Damn the blind-faith fools. They can all hang out with the above mentioned GM...
Everyone on here has been clamoring about how they're confident in Graves, how if he didn't want him he must be washed up, he's too old, etc, blah blah blah *company line* blah blah.
Well, Philly thought he was a decent replacement left end. Let's compare our roster to Philly's. Oh wait, no, that would be an UNfavorable argument as to whether or not Graves screwed this up. Can't have that now, can we.
Face facts, blind Graves supporters. Coleman showed something to a very good team to make them want to sign him. I would wager, since our D-line can't at this point hold a candle to Philly's, that makes him better than Wakefield. I'd say this is fairly logical. Of course, the fact that Wakefield would probably start on NO other NFL roster contributes as well.
But, when the Pats traded for Ted Washington and were lauded by many in the sports world for a great move to bolster their defense, and some question why we couldn't do something like that, we were blasted. Of course, the board 'spin doctors' shall inevitably come down upon me, curse me for a blind negativist, and say everything is peaches and cream.
I reiterate-we screwed the pooch. Damn the blind-faith fools. They can all hang out with the above mentioned GM...
So you are saying he would be an upgrade at this point in the season, hmm. Not sure I agree maybe, but then maybe not as he doesn't know the schemes etc.
As for the cap space, I think you are applying your usual negative spin. Yes you are correct in as far as the Eagles do have less cap space available. But you characterization of the situation as them "dont nearly have as much cap space as us" is uther and complete Bullsh*t.
Yes we have a lot of space but he Eagles had nearly as much as us as of Aug 11 we had $14.6 M, they had $12.0.7M
You are spinning BS here big time, it's fun to use inflamatory lanuage but you are wrong.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/columns/clayton_john/1510617.html
Of course your next comment will be that it's doesn't matter, we have lot's of space so we should have brought him in. ie You are exposed in your BS but then ignore it and wikll come back from a different angle.
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This guy and Dedric Ward were the only two I said we should take a serious look at. And, maybe Jenkins.
One thing overlooked in this thread is not so much the difference a Coleman could've made as a starter, but the cushion he could've provided if we take another hit at DE. Rather than winning us games, the improved depth MIGHT make us tougher to beat if we get more injuries at DE.
No point in pissing and moaning about it though. I believed Graves when he said that we would wait until after Detroit to see what our DE's would do. It's not what I would've done, but the cake has been baked, too late to put in anymore sugar.
One thing overlooked in this thread is not so much the difference a Coleman could've made as a starter, but the cushion he could've provided if we take another hit at DE. Rather than winning us games, the improved depth MIGHT make us tougher to beat if we get more injuries at DE.
No point in pissing and moaning about it though. I believed Graves when he said that we would wait until after Detroit to see what our DE's would do. It's not what I would've done, but the cake has been baked, too late to put in anymore sugar.
I haven't been posting much lately. I've been busy and just spending the time just reading and "observing" a little.
I've been seeing a lot of garbage, but that's not anything that unusual.
There have been some good posts, but as Frank Sinatra Crooned: "but then again, too few to mention". Hopefully with the regular season now ready to get underway, that situation will improve.
It would appear to me that there are a few (or more) who have already passed judgement on Rod Graves and thence by proxy "The Cards". As would normally be expected, some of those doing that then tend to sacrifice some of their objectivity to the altar of "justifying their judgement". Selective "vision" becomes more prominent.
The phrase "unproven doesn't mean bad" has cropped up a few times. The old hackneyed cry from the dark: "I'm not being negative, just realistic" has lost no popularity. To some of those people unproven probably does mean bad, especially if it can be used as currency to support a previously made judgement.
To such people I would say. . . "Just because YOU may not see, understand or comprehend a concept, does't mean that a concept doesn't exist.
For example: I see a lot of criticism of Graves/The Cards for a perceived lack of plan in not hiring Marco Coleman, with the accompanying dissing of Wakefield and others . . .
The assumption being implied here seeming that Graves/Cards are ignorant and don't know what they are doing.
To compare what any other team did or does is overly simplistic to say the least.
I can see Coleman fitting a need in Philly, more so than here.
The Eagles window is open NOW. . . and if they don't win big soon, the window may be closing quite soon.
The Cards, on the other hand, even an optomistic fan like me will admit, are not really ready for the big show quite yet. But they are working towards it. Their "window" should be coming before too long.
HERE, the difference of a win or 2 probably isn't going to make the difference whether the Cards win the Super Bowl or not this year, and bringing someone like Coleman in, is just not a top priority, at the moment.
DEVELOPING YOUNG PLAYERS IS VITAL TO CONSTRUCTING A WINDOW !!!
In that sense, right now. . . A player like Wakefield with his youth and versatility IS more valuable to this team than someone like Marco Coleman.
I've been seeing a lot of garbage, but that's not anything that unusual.
There have been some good posts, but as Frank Sinatra Crooned: "but then again, too few to mention". Hopefully with the regular season now ready to get underway, that situation will improve.
It would appear to me that there are a few (or more) who have already passed judgement on Rod Graves and thence by proxy "The Cards". As would normally be expected, some of those doing that then tend to sacrifice some of their objectivity to the altar of "justifying their judgement". Selective "vision" becomes more prominent.
The phrase "unproven doesn't mean bad" has cropped up a few times. The old hackneyed cry from the dark: "I'm not being negative, just realistic" has lost no popularity. To some of those people unproven probably does mean bad, especially if it can be used as currency to support a previously made judgement.
To such people I would say. . . "Just because YOU may not see, understand or comprehend a concept, does't mean that a concept doesn't exist.
For example: I see a lot of criticism of Graves/The Cards for a perceived lack of plan in not hiring Marco Coleman, with the accompanying dissing of Wakefield and others . . .
The assumption being implied here seeming that Graves/Cards are ignorant and don't know what they are doing.
To compare what any other team did or does is overly simplistic to say the least.
I can see Coleman fitting a need in Philly, more so than here.
The Eagles window is open NOW. . . and if they don't win big soon, the window may be closing quite soon.
The Cards, on the other hand, even an optomistic fan like me will admit, are not really ready for the big show quite yet. But they are working towards it. Their "window" should be coming before too long.
HERE, the difference of a win or 2 probably isn't going to make the difference whether the Cards win the Super Bowl or not this year, and bringing someone like Coleman in, is just not a top priority, at the moment.
DEVELOPING YOUNG PLAYERS IS VITAL TO CONSTRUCTING A WINDOW !!!
In that sense, right now. . . A player like Wakefield with his youth and versatility IS more valuable to this team than someone like Marco Coleman.
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I would also like to point out that Rod Graves has already publicly stated that the team is going to try and get some contracts renewed this year.
I would think that getting L. J. Shelton, Ray Thompson, David Barrett, etc resigned would take a lot more priority, at this point, than spending money on any free agents that might be available.
How would the Cards "replace" Shelton if he left, and have that be an improvement?
Ray Thompson is just now coming into his prime. They let him walk now?
The same with David Barrett. Though Barrett may not be my ideal of a "shut down" corner, I think this year has proven, if nothing else, what a dearth of quality CB's there is right now.
Win at all costs???
What exactly does that mean?
That you act like a moron now, and mortgage tomorrow for an attempted "quick fix" for the moment.???
That you try a Daniel Snyder and buy an instant championship??
Have you actually considered that maybe, just maybe, "the team" does know what they are doing? That, just possibly, There is a viable plan being worked on?
"One more Reason to believe" ??? Why would you imply that there isn't such?????????????
I would think that getting L. J. Shelton, Ray Thompson, David Barrett, etc resigned would take a lot more priority, at this point, than spending money on any free agents that might be available.
How would the Cards "replace" Shelton if he left, and have that be an improvement?
Ray Thompson is just now coming into his prime. They let him walk now?
The same with David Barrett. Though Barrett may not be my ideal of a "shut down" corner, I think this year has proven, if nothing else, what a dearth of quality CB's there is right now.
Win at all costs???
What exactly does that mean?
That you act like a moron now, and mortgage tomorrow for an attempted "quick fix" for the moment.???
That you try a Daniel Snyder and buy an instant championship??
Have you actually considered that maybe, just maybe, "the team" does know what they are doing? That, just possibly, There is a viable plan being worked on?
"One more Reason to believe" ??? Why would you imply that there isn't such?????????????
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I couldn't have said it better myelf.
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I watched this game as well. Chester Mcfat made 2 plays in a row. Nice plays that were impressive. Then the Redskins proceeded to ram the ball down the Jets throat most of the night running the ball. Hell, R Davis is good for 2 nice plays a game. You may see upgrade, I see a guy who ins't all that. So when ESPN shows a hightlight of Coleman getting a sack this year all the "RG sucks" posters will be saying we told you so.
The Eagles lost Hugh Douglass (FA), Green and McDougle to injury. Cards lost KVB to injury. King will get playing time at LDE and will prove to be a better player there then Coleman.
D Johnson will not make it to the practice squad. Too many teams are thin at DE to not take a chance on him, just like we are. If the Cards suffer an injury then Moore gets moved up from the PS.
Since the Cards did sign McDaniel before the season starts then why wouldn't they sign Coleman if they felt the need justified it. That last point needs to be read a couple of times for those who see red every time another team signs a player, any player, every player.
If some members of this board had their way the Cards would have the oldest team in the league. This of course without the talent of the Raiders.
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Two things:
1. Coleman, as a vet COULD NOT be claimed. When cut he became a FA.
2. As far as Johnson not making it to the PS, wouldn't most teams (maybe all) say if he couldn't make it with the Cards who are DESPERATE for a pass rush, why would we want him.
Two things:
1. Coleman, as a vet COULD NOT be claimed. When cut he became a FA.
2. As far as Johnson not making it to the PS, wouldn't most teams (maybe all) say if he couldn't make it with the Cards who are DESPERATE for a pass rush, why would we want him.
I guess the Eagles don't think he's washed up. Would the Cards win more game with him? Will the Eagles win more games with him?
He would have made the Cards a better team and taken some heat of the secondary. He is a the end of his career, but in a rotation he would be a solid situational player. I would be he gets more sacks than Wakefield.
I keep hearing the Cards will spend the money extending contracts. What's stopping them? I urged that at the end of last season when several players would have been a bargain. Only Shipp was extended. I know the Cards will use the money, because they get fined if they end this far below the cap. My problem is whom they choose to extend. Has Shelton played well enough to merit the large dollar renewal he is sure to demand? Thompson could have been done last year. If he starts this season big, his price will prove prohibitive by Cards' standards.
Finally with $12 million to work with the Cards could have kept Sanders and Boston and still had room to renew one top player. I guarantee I wouldn't have predicted 4-12 if they had done that.
He would have made the Cards a better team and taken some heat of the secondary. He is a the end of his career, but in a rotation he would be a solid situational player. I would be he gets more sacks than Wakefield.
I keep hearing the Cards will spend the money extending contracts. What's stopping them? I urged that at the end of last season when several players would have been a bargain. Only Shipp was extended. I know the Cards will use the money, because they get fined if they end this far below the cap. My problem is whom they choose to extend. Has Shelton played well enough to merit the large dollar renewal he is sure to demand? Thompson could have been done last year. If he starts this season big, his price will prove prohibitive by Cards' standards.
Finally with $12 million to work with the Cards could have kept Sanders and Boston and still had room to renew one top player. I guarantee I wouldn't have predicted 4-12 if they had done that.
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Tango - I do think Rod and Mac know what they're doing.
But I also think there are other GM's, VP's Player Personnel and coaches in the NFL who are more confident, proactive and sure-footed about pulling the trigger to bring in guys who can help their team.
It's one thing to act prudently and another to be timid or indecisive. Time will tell.
But I also think there are other GM's, VP's Player Personnel and coaches in the NFL who are more confident, proactive and sure-footed about pulling the trigger to bring in guys who can help their team.
It's one thing to act prudently and another to be timid or indecisive. Time will tell.
Stout
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Okay, in the two posts I've quoted here, you're making two points that are so defeatist that I'd have to question your desire to win.
The first point is the worst. So our 'window of opportunity' isn't open. Who cares? I would agree completely with you if we were banging up against the cap. In that instance, we may have to work around the cap and possibly hurt us in the future, so it probably wouldn't be worth it. We're not, and we wouldn't have to.
Also, in your first post, you said, 'HERE, the difference of a win or 2 probably isn't going to make the difference whether the Cards win the Super Bowl or not this year, and bringing someone like Coleman in, is just not a top priority, at the moment.'
So, to you, you don't CARE if we win +/- 2 extra games? It just isn't a PRIORITY to you? Uh, hello, are you a frickin' FAN or not? As an organization, I should HOPE they don't have this attitude. Listen, if my GM says, 'ah, sure, this guy could help us win a few, buuuut one or two games ain't really gonna make a difference, so let's sit on our hands', I'd be calling for blood. I mean, this statement of yours makes no sense. OF COURSE WE SHOULD BE TRYING TO WIN THOSE EXTRA TWO GAMES!!!!! Who cares if it gets us to the Super Bowl! It could be the difference between another losing season and an 8-8 or even, dare I say it, a winning season! But, who cares, right?
Whew! Okay, now on to the point you're making with your second post. I don't have to go on and on to rip this part to shreds. You say, 'Win at all costs??? What exactly does that mean? That you act like a moron now, and mortgage tomorrow for an attempted "quick fix" for the moment.??? That you try a Daniel Snyder and buy an instant championship??'
I say, yeah, sure, signing Marco Coleman to a one-year deal when we have 14 mill in cap space would have really mortgaged the future, Tango. Wow, that ONE YEAR cap hit would've really hurt us next year, and two years from now, and...
Yeah, so what were you saying again? That you don't mind losing two extra games when we might have been able to add players to better ourselves? Or you can't see actually using the cap space we have to do it, and want to *wrongfully* claim we'd have to mortgage our future to do it? Eh?
Boy, I'm going to have fun reading you try to spin this so either: A)You didn't REALLY mean it the way I said it, or B)You DID mean it that way, but it somehow really makes sense. Because there isn't really much of a chance you can make anyone believe either one. Have a nice day!
Originally posted by Stout
Okay, in the two posts I've quoted here, you're making two points that are so defeatist that I'd have to question your desire to win.
The first point is the worst. So our 'window of opportunity' isn't open. Who cares? I would agree completely with you if we were banging up against the cap. In that instance, we may have to work around the cap and possibly hurt us in the future, so it probably wouldn't be worth it. We're not, and we wouldn't have to.
Also, in your first post, you said, 'HERE, the difference of a win or 2 probably isn't going to make the difference whether the Cards win the Super Bowl or not this year, and bringing someone like Coleman in, is just not a top priority, at the moment.'
So, to you, you don't CARE if we win +/- 2 extra games? It just isn't a PRIORITY to you? Uh, hello, are you a frickin' FAN or not? As an organization, I should HOPE they don't have this attitude. Listen, if my GM says, 'ah, sure, this guy could help us win a few, buuuut one or two games ain't really gonna make a difference, so let's sit on our hands', I'd be calling for blood. I mean, this statement of yours makes no sense. OF COURSE WE SHOULD BE TRYING TO WIN THOSE EXTRA TWO GAMES!!!!! Who cares if it gets us to the Super Bowl! It could be the difference between another losing season and an 8-8 or even, dare I say it, a winning season! But, who cares, right?
Whew! Okay, now on to the point you're making with your second post. I don't have to go on and on to rip this part to shreds. You say, 'Win at all costs??? What exactly does that mean? That you act like a moron now, and mortgage tomorrow for an attempted "quick fix" for the moment.??? That you try a Daniel Snyder and buy an instant championship??'
I say, yeah, sure, signing Marco Coleman to a one-year deal when we have 14 mill in cap space would have really mortgaged the future, Tango. Wow, that ONE YEAR cap hit would've really hurt us next year, and two years from now, and...
Yeah, so what were you saying again? That you don't mind losing two extra games when we might have been able to add players to better ourselves? Or you can't see actually using the cap space we have to do it, and want to *wrongfully* claim we'd have to mortgage our future to do it? Eh?
Boy, I'm going to have fun reading you try to spin this so either: A)You didn't REALLY mean it the way I said it, or B)You DID mean it that way, but it somehow really makes sense. Because there isn't really much of a chance you can make anyone believe either one. Have a nice day!
There we have it boys and girls. Another perfect example of tunnel vision and the resultant failure to comprehend any other view than the already pre-determined take, replete with the usual twisting of anyone else's comments to fit YOUR own spin, while accusing others of doing the very same thing you are guilty of.
Boring, simply boring.
....and to accuse ME, of all people, of being defeatist in regard to the Cards and to question whether I am a fan or not, is just about the most asinine thing I've seen in quite a while. You become more pathetic with each ignorant such posts.
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which is something that I think you take a perverse pleasure in. additionally, I don't think the cardinals are "cheap" and "pathetic"
using two tiered signing bonues, getting draft picks in on time, and offering big money to guys like jackson, colvin and holiday disproves the "cheap" cheap shot.
pathetic means being so weak that the cards are the object of contempt and or pity. I do not have either for the organization. maybe you do cheesey.
and, yeah, I'm going to call you EVERY time you take a cheap shot at the cards bud. and don't pm either.
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Coleman had 5 sacks last year in 16 games and Wakefield had 3 sacks in 16 games.
At this point in his career is Coleman really that much better than Wakefield? I think that with only two years in the NFL that Wakefield will improve while Coleman will only continue to decline.
Would Coleman have improved our depth? Possibly. My guess is that he wasn't interested in coming here anyway and this whole discussion is moot.
JMHO.
At this point in his career is Coleman really that much better than Wakefield? I think that with only two years in the NFL that Wakefield will improve while Coleman will only continue to decline.
Would Coleman have improved our depth? Possibly. My guess is that he wasn't interested in coming here anyway and this whole discussion is moot.
JMHO.
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Here are my two cents worth on this thread (which is proving to be a good one because people are actually talking to the subject matter and not just "attacking" others point of view).
Firstly: IMHO, Coleman is just another "name from the past" and adds little value to our plan (whether or not our plan is right or wrong, will unfold shortly) of putting a defense together built on speed and hustle.
Secondly: Some are saying that he'd bring leadership to a young cadre of defensive linemen. I say.....hogwash. Emmitt was not brought on board to bring leadership to the backfield, he was brought on board to bring leadership to the entire team with the emphasis on the entire offensive unit. D. Jackson was not brought on board to bring leadership to the defensive secondary but the whole defensive unit. The expression that "you can have too many cooks in the kitchen" applies here. The "message" cannot have too many delivery men or the message loses it's edge.
Thirdly: Philly's situation is much different than ours. They have a legitimate chance to get to the big show and through FA and injury, are decimated at DE. We have depth at DE (Pace; King; Wakefield; Johnson and Moore). I will concede that this depth is not veteran depth, but management think enough of them to go into battle with them. We are also two years away from even remotely thinking we are close to being SB bound.
Fourthly: Everyone wants to let Dennis Johnson go. For cry'in out loud, he's effectively still a rookie. Anyone who thinks that no other team would grab him are looking through rose coloured glasses. No he is not as polished nor as effective a player as other young studs such as Peppers, but he has enough potential that we owe it to ourselves to nurture him for another year at least.
Fifthly; Those of you who are mad because we haven't yet spent to our cap limit are plain stupid. Same with those of you who are wondering why we haven't locked up our Shelton's, Thompson's Wilson's and Barrett's by now. Any of you who think this way should not even consider a future as a business owner. You just don't get it. There is a time and place for this to happen and it's mid year not start of year. Why you ask? Well for one thing, each of these player's agents would not even consider letting these client's renegotiate until their true 2003 worth has been established. Management's position is the same. Yes, it might cost us more, but that's where the cap surplus comes in.
Finally: Our personnel needs situation RIGHT now may be much different in two months. Haste makes waste. Can the majority of you really speak to the talent level of this team based on preseason? Or based on last year? I would venture to guess that there are all too many out there in ASPN land that are like lemmings over the cliff.
The sky is not falling yet. Coleman is a has been. He'd be a chemistry problem on this team........honestly.
Ya know what? The only players that would have made a difference as a FA's to this years Cards that we didn't get was Holliday and Colvin. All these other names that come up every week are part of NFL history not our future.
Firstly: IMHO, Coleman is just another "name from the past" and adds little value to our plan (whether or not our plan is right or wrong, will unfold shortly) of putting a defense together built on speed and hustle.
Secondly: Some are saying that he'd bring leadership to a young cadre of defensive linemen. I say.....hogwash. Emmitt was not brought on board to bring leadership to the backfield, he was brought on board to bring leadership to the entire team with the emphasis on the entire offensive unit. D. Jackson was not brought on board to bring leadership to the defensive secondary but the whole defensive unit. The expression that "you can have too many cooks in the kitchen" applies here. The "message" cannot have too many delivery men or the message loses it's edge.
Thirdly: Philly's situation is much different than ours. They have a legitimate chance to get to the big show and through FA and injury, are decimated at DE. We have depth at DE (Pace; King; Wakefield; Johnson and Moore). I will concede that this depth is not veteran depth, but management think enough of them to go into battle with them. We are also two years away from even remotely thinking we are close to being SB bound.
Fourthly: Everyone wants to let Dennis Johnson go. For cry'in out loud, he's effectively still a rookie. Anyone who thinks that no other team would grab him are looking through rose coloured glasses. No he is not as polished nor as effective a player as other young studs such as Peppers, but he has enough potential that we owe it to ourselves to nurture him for another year at least.
Fifthly; Those of you who are mad because we haven't yet spent to our cap limit are plain stupid. Same with those of you who are wondering why we haven't locked up our Shelton's, Thompson's Wilson's and Barrett's by now. Any of you who think this way should not even consider a future as a business owner. You just don't get it. There is a time and place for this to happen and it's mid year not start of year. Why you ask? Well for one thing, each of these player's agents would not even consider letting these client's renegotiate until their true 2003 worth has been established. Management's position is the same. Yes, it might cost us more, but that's where the cap surplus comes in.
Finally: Our personnel needs situation RIGHT now may be much different in two months. Haste makes waste. Can the majority of you really speak to the talent level of this team based on preseason? Or based on last year? I would venture to guess that there are all too many out there in ASPN land that are like lemmings over the cliff.
The sky is not falling yet. Coleman is a has been. He'd be a chemistry problem on this team........honestly.
Ya know what? The only players that would have made a difference as a FA's to this years Cards that we didn't get was Holliday and Colvin. All these other names that come up every week are part of NFL history not our future.
