Communication: Hicks vs Collins

[Zeem_Freeze]

prepare for frustration, it might look a lot like Simmons rookie year. Yes they have a training camp but I dont think that compensates for the communication premium attached to the middle backer spot.

he's the QB of the defense and Hicks spends a lot of mental capital getting everyone lined up presnap and reacting to audibles.

Do I want Collins starting day 1? sure.
do I think it happens? no.

We likely see him in situational edge roles first then a slow transition towards taking over for Hicks

 

[Stout]

prepare for frustration, it might look a lot like Simmons rookie year. Yes they have a training camp but I dont think that compensates for the communication premium attached to the middle backer spot.

he's the QB of the defense and Hicks spends a lot of mental capital getting everyone lined up presnap and reacting to audibles.

Do I want Collins starting day 1? sure.
do I think it happens? no.

We likely see him in situational edge roles first then a slow transition towards taking over for Hicks

That would make this an inordinately stupid pick.

 

[AZman5103]

I hope they don't try to make this kid a true 3-4 OLB....he doesn't have that skillset...and it will be Reddick all over again.

Collins is an ILB, and could be a damn good one. Stick him behind Hicks for now, and lets hope to god he beats him out sooner than later.

This pick goes from questionable to pretty darn good if Collins is a day 1 starter and we are able to cut Hicks and use that money elsewhere.

 

[juza76]

The communication has been made yesterday by Keim
HICKS IS OUT

 

[mjb21aztd]

prepare for frustration, it might look a lot like Simmons rookie year. Yes they have a training camp but I dont think that compensates for the communication premium attached to the middle backer spot.

he's the QB of the defense and Hicks spends a lot of mental capital getting everyone lined up presnap and reacting to audibles.

Do I want Collins starting day 1? sure.
do I think it happens? no.

We likely see him in situational edge roles first then a slow transition towards taking over for Hicks

Yea if he doesn't get hurt during tcamp or preseason lol i can soooo see that

I do have faith in collins i like his physical traits and seems like a good ball hawk

Hope he works out on field we shall see

C grade imo

 

[BigDavis75]

Hicks is horrible, I don’t care how much perceived value he has for pre snap stuff but Simmons should be more than capable in that department.

 

[QuebecCard]

Hicks is horrible, I don’t care how much perceived value he has for pre snap stuff but Simmons should be more than capable in that department.

Why?

Does he have any experience making "D" calls?

 

[Heucrazy]

I don’t know what games you guys watched last year, but I remember watching Hicks get burnt a lot. Like a lot, a lot.

Hicks is decent. Collins could be special.

 

[BigDavis75]

Why?

Does he have any experience making "D" calls?

He's an intelligent player and he should know the defense in his second year. Is there a reason you think he cannot do this?

 

[DVontel]

I don’t know what games you guys watched last year, but I remember watching Hicks get burnt a lot. Like a lot, a lot.

Hicks is decent. Collins could be special.

He has been getting burnt since mid 2019.

 

[Zeem_Freeze]

The communication has been made yesterday by Keim
HICKS IS OUT

yeah until the Dcoordinator has a say in it.... its Keims job to pump the noise on the draft picks and its Josephs job to onboard the new players correctly.... that being said, I want Collins starting day 1 and if thats the case then its a good pick

 

[Zeem_Freeze]

I don’t know what games you guys watched last year, but I remember watching Hicks get burnt a lot. Like a lot, a lot.

Hicks is decent. Collins could be special.

no I'm with you, physically Hicks misses some plays that these more talented backers would make. I just dont know if people are properly valuing communication and should expect frustration when Hicks holds onto the role, at least at first.

For all we know, there's interceptions, saved touch downs, and big plays made by Hicks ability to communicate. I'm not saying he's special at it or anything but MLB communication is massive to a defense and Im not sure everyone recognizes that.

 

[Zeem_Freeze]

Also worth noting that Simmons will NEVER run the defense... he is too versatile and lines up all over the field... need to be in middle of defense to run coms

 

[WindCardinal]

I could see some interesting 3-3 looks.
Jones-Phillips-Watt
Collins-Hicks-Simmons

 

[JohnnyCakes]

I watched the video of Keim and Kliff calling up Collins from the war room and the first thing collins and Keim said to each other was "no redshirting"

Also i think this all but seals Hicks fate as a June first cut.

 

[kerouac9]

I watched the video of Keim and Kliff calling up Collins from the war room and the first thing collins and Keim said to each other was "no redshirting"

Also i think this all but seals Hicks fate as a June first cut.

Yeah, but Michael said "We're gonna get you on the field right away" to Simmons last year. Nothing's set in stone between May and September.

I don't think this is a big deal. We'll have a lot of veterans out there on the defense; wouldn't be surprised to see Budda wear the dot early if it comes to that.

 

[Arz101]

I watched the video of Keim and Kliff calling up Collins from the war room and the first thing collins and Keim said to each other was "no redshirting"

Also i think this all but seals Hicks fate as a June first cut.

If and When coaches after watching practice tapes say "ahhhhh... This guy needs time". That is it. Another Simmons like year for Collins.

Having said that Hicks and Kennard will be post june cuts.

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[Dante]

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If true, makes me feel a bit better about the pick but didn't Hicks take a paycut earlier in the off-season? Would be shocked to see us cut him after that or even bench him for a rookie.

 

[BritCard]

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If true, makes me feel a bit better about the pick but didn't Hicks take a paycut earlier in the off-season? Would be shocked to see us cut him after that or even bench him for a rookie.

If they got a decent trade offer I'm sure they would move him but I think they keep him for experience and rotation.

 

[BigDavis75]

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If true, makes me feel a bit better about the pick but didn't Hicks take a paycut earlier in the off-season? Would be shocked to see us cut him after that or even bench him for a rookie.

15 million over two years is cheap for a backup ILB?

 

[QuebecCard]

He's an intelligent player and he should know the defense in his second year. Is there a reason you think he cannot do this?

I don't know and also don't know why you suggest that you do.

 

[GatorAZ]

We all want Collins to play right away but cutting Hicks would be dumb unless they think Evan Weaver is ready for snaps. Ride out Hicks and cut him after the season. Nobody is trading for him.

 

[juza76]

We all want Collins to play right away but cutting Hicks would be dumb unless they think Evan Weaver is ready for snaps. Ride out Hicks and cut him after the season. Nobody is trading for him.

No, they signed tallejo for depth and they have zeke Turner as well

 

[BigDavis75]

I don't know and also don't know why you suggest that you do.

God forbid someone speculate based on observable traits on a message board. Glad you were here to put an end to that

 

[CardLogic]

Whether playcalling/communication might be adversely impacted is hard for any of us to know. But Collins is familiar playing the ILB position and making those calls, and I would add has above average intelligence, he was valedictorian at his high school, and played QB. Imo, he should be up for the task. Communication could actually be improved. . .