Compensation for Budenholzer?

[pokerface]

I'd definitely give up the high 2nd rounder for Bud, would hate to lose the Bucks first rounder, but man... this team REALLY needs a GOOD coach for once and I'd be very tempted to even do that if need be.

I got mixed feelings on it. I might have to sit on the fence on this one.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I got mixed feelings on it. I might have to sit on the fence on this one.

I don’t have super strong feelings one way or the other, but Bud is the only coach on that list that I really like.

I don’t get the Fizdale love, I LOATHE the idea of Jackson, don’t see Van Gundy coming here, nor do I know if the game passed him by and have no clue about Stackhouse.

If Walton somehow came free, he’d be my number 2. The Warriors looked fantastic with him (prob the best of any stretch during their run) and he had that Lakers squad playing hard and starting to turn the corner in year... all while dealing with Ball headaches. But I don’t see him getting canned.

 

[BC867]

Good grief! Are we still arguing about tanking? We have had huge threads. Not sure anything more can be said than has already been said. And its over now.

There is one other aspect about tanking that has been mentioned a few times, but not discussed.

We are not only Suns fans. We are also basketball fans. And, I believe that even die-hard fans for their team should consider that the concept of tanking in the NBA has evolved beyond its usefulness. The League needs to study the overall picture and decide what will best going forward. And I hope that fans will do the same.

I even saw an article about Major League baseball yesterday that said tanking is beginning to go too far. Apparently, it exists beyond the NBA.

Quite often, good thinks eventually turn bad. It is happening in politics. Successful entities recognize it and act upon it. In this case, I hope that professional sports does just that. Whatever it takes.

 

[pokerface]

I don’t have super strong feelings one way or the other, but Bud is the only coach on that list that I really like.

I don’t get the Fizdale love, I LOATHE the idea of Jackson, don’t see Van Gundy coming here, nor do I know if the game passed him by and have no clue about Stackhouse.

If Walton somehow came free, he’d be my number 2. The Warriors looked fantastic with him (prob the best of any stretch during their run) and he had that Lakers squad playing hard and starting to turn the corner in year... all while dealing with Ball headaches. But I don’t see him getting canned.

If Bud is all that I'd consider it. A mid first rounder seems high but we really need a quality coach and we have the asset to spare. I just don't what moves the suns are planning this summer so I don't know if that pick would be better used elsewhere. A quality coach would be a good investment however.

 

[Hoop Head]

Budenholzer is coming off a 24 win season. I know he's a better coach than that but with that record, he's not worth a 1st round pick and I'd be surprised if anyone were willing to give Atlanta one for him.

 

[pokerface]

There is one other aspect about tanking that has been mentioned a few times, but not discussed.

We are not only Suns fans. We are also basketball fans. And, I believe that even die-hard fans for their team should consider that the concept of tanking in the NBA has evolved beyond its usefulness. The League needs to study the overall picture and decide what will best going forward. And I hope that fans will do the same.

I even saw an article about Major League baseball yesterday that said tanking is beginning to go too far. Apparently, it exists beyond the NBA.

Quite often, good thinks eventually turn bad. It is happening in politics. Successful entities recognize it and act upon it. In this case, I hope that professional sports does just that. Whatever it takes.

Fans are kinda in denial BC. On the surface tanking seems abhorent but there is an underlying popularity to it that is undeniable. Following the media this season they freely throw the tank word around in acceptable terms and at times almost glorify it. If a bad team doesn't tank they are practically labeled as being stupid. Many fans and media enbrace the tank. Even fans on this board who are very anti tank I suspect gained a certain satisfaction in the suns attaining the worst record...and even cheered or groaned over games that were tank related. Plus I didn't read mass protests on our board about half the team being benched...barely a peep about it.

Silver may find out that by adjusting the odds for next season a couple things may occur. In certain bad team markets tv ratings may "tank" due to a reduced interest in following bad teams. Also, tanking in certain situations for certain teams may still occur trying to get in the lottery "sweet spots".

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

Budenholzer is coming off a 24 win season. I know he's a better coach than that but with that record, he's not worth a 1st round pick and I'd be surprised if anyone were willing to give Atlanta one for him.

In fairness, that roster was a tire fire. Worst roster in basketball imho.

 

[Chaplin]

Budenholzer is coming off a 24 win season. I know he's a better coach than that but with that record, he's not worth a 1st round pick and I'd be surprised if anyone were willing to give Atlanta one for him.

But his previous 5 years were MUCH better--a 60-win season in one of them.

 

[Hoop Head]

I know Bud did a great job in his previous years in Atlanta but coming off the season he did I don't see how Atlanta can make demands for a 1st round pick for compensation. The Suns, or McD, should use their 24 win season as a tool in negotiations if they are trying to get a 1st round pick from someone for him. He's worth a 2nd round pick, but I wouldn't give up a 1st for him, especially the ones that Suns own. We don't have picks that are in the late 20's to offer but we could offer a high 2nd rounder which is pretty close to a late 1st since there is no set salary scale attached to it.

 

[sunsfan88]

I know Bud did a great job in his previous years in Atlanta but coming off the season he did I don't see how Atlanta can make demands for a 1st round pick for compensation. The Suns, or McD, should use their 24 win season as a tool in negotiations if they are trying to get a 1st round pick from someone for him. He's worth a 2nd round pick, but I wouldn't give up a 1st for him, especially the ones that Suns own. We don't have picks that are in the late 20's to offer but we could offer a high 2nd rounder which is pretty close to a late 1st since there is no set salary scale attached to it.

The Bucks pick next year.

 

[pokerface]

I know Bud did a great job in his previous years in Atlanta but coming off the season he did I don't see how Atlanta can make demands for a 1st round pick for compensation. The Suns, or McD, should use their 24 win season as a tool in negotiations if they are trying to get a 1st round pick from someone for him. He's worth a 2nd round pick, but I wouldn't give up a 1st for him, especially the ones that Suns own. We don't have picks that are in the late 20's to offer but we could offer a high 2nd rounder which is pretty close to a late 1st since there is no set salary scale attached to it.

Yeah our second rounder in this draft feels like the right price to pay. But then again we don't know if there will be some half ass bidding war on Bud.

 

[Cheesebeef]

The Bucks pick next year.

yup... I'd start with our 2nd rounder and really hold the line firm there unless there becomes some kind of bidding war. And if it's just between us and the Bucks, I'd be very surprised if they offered their pick this year at 17 in a draft as good as this.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Why are so many here so anxious to give away assets? He's been demoted and is reportedly on the outs with their GM Travis Schlenk. AFAIC we are doing them a favor by taking over paying Bud for them.

And Bud isn't perfect. He's a very vocal (some say abusive) coach which wears thin fairly quickly. There's no denying he does a good job developing players but to what end if he alienates them? He also has a reputation for underperforming in the postseason. He's a huge upgrade for us and even if he's not a viable longterm coach, he could really help our young guys become effective basketball players. But we aren't stealing away a great coach, we are talking about hiring a solid coach that is a step away from being fired. If you're a Suns fan, don't stand in the giveaway line, please.

 

[Chaplin]

Why are so many here so anxious to give away assets? He's been demoted and is reportedly on the outs with their GM Travis Schlenk. AFAIC we are doing them a favor by taking over paying Bud for them.

And Bud isn't perfect. He's a very vocal (some say abusive) coach which wears thin fairly quickly. There's no denying he does a good job developing players but to what end if he alienates them? He also has a reputation for underperforming in the postseason. He's a huge upgrade for us and even if he's not a viable longterm coach, he could really help our young guys become effective basketball players. But we aren't stealing away a great coach, we are talking about hiring a solid coach that is a step away from being fired. If you're a Suns fan, don't stand in the giveaway line, please.

You know why he might be fired, though, right? It's not because he's a bad, or even average, coach.

 

[AzStevenCal]

You know why he might be fired, though, right? It's not because he's a bad, or even average, coach.

I know some of the reasons, to what do you refer? It's not just "a new broom sweeps clean" although I'm sure that's some of it.

 

[Chaplin]

I know some of the reasons, to what do you refer? It's not just "a new broom sweeps clean" although I'm sure that's some of it.

He's owed 14 million over the next 2 years. Atlanta (wisely) doesn't want to pay a coach that much during a rebuilding phase that could be really painful and maybe even lose money in.

 

[AzStevenCal]

He's owed 14 million over the next 2 years. Atlanta (wisely) doesn't want to pay a coach that much during a rebuilding phase that could be really painful and maybe even lose money in.

That's true but if they really considered him a top 5 coach and the right guy for their future, it would be very short-sighted to dismiss him for this reason. I think it's just one of several reasons. But regardless, there is no reason we should be giving compensation when we're actually just bailing them out.

If he prefers Milwaukee, offering a better pick isn't likely to change the outcome. Regardless of where he wants to go, he's smart enough to know how to force the issue - just tell them I'm staying until you fire me if you don't let me go where I want to go NOW. And if you fire me after those jobs are filled, I will play out the rest of my contract in my game room.

 

[Chaplin]

That's true but if they really considered him a top 5 coach and the right guy for their future, it would be very short-sighted to dismiss him for this reason. I think it's just one of several reasons. But regardless, there is no reason we should be giving compensation when we're actually just bailing them out.

Agree with you there.

If he prefers Milwaukee, offering a better pick isn't likely to change the outcome. Regardless of where he wants to go, he's smart enough to know how to force the issue - just tell them I'm staying until you fire me if you don't let me go where I want to go NOW. And if you fire me after those jobs are filled, I will play out the rest of my contract in my game room.[/QUOTE]

True that. But he IS from Arizona, so at least we have that going for us. Right now, he's far and away the #1 guy I'd like to have as our coach, regardless of the cost.

 

[AzStevenCal]

True that. But he IS from Arizona, so at least we have that going for us. Right now, he's far and away the #1 guy I'd like to have as our coach, regardless of the cost.

Yeah, he's probably my first choice too but I'd be fine with Igor and believe it or not, Becky Hammon.

 

[Mainstreet]

And @Mainstreet you liking a post that calls the tankers cancers as usual just shows your hypocrisy, flying in the face of you and a bunch of others here claiming you never insulted the tankers, while continually blaming them for the board’s problem. You did it when you called cheering for the tank abhorrent behavior and now you’ve liked a post calling us cancers.

Stay classy...

So I can't like a post. LOL

I need not explain myself to you especially when you are the one throwing the mud.

For the record I find tanking is a cancer in pro sports. These are my feelings.

This is a far cry from calling someone a name which managed to call me.

 

[Cheesebeef]

So I can't like a post. LOL

I need not explain myself to you especially when you are the one throwing the mud.

For the record I find tanking is a cancer in pro sports. These are my feelings.

This is a far cry from calling someone a name which managed to call me.

You can like a post, any post all you want, but when you like a post that’s insulting a bunch of people, I’m going to point out your hypocrisy.

 

[Mainstreet]

Scott Bordow believes if the Suns interview a coach under contract, they will need to give compensation.

So this will likely be the case with Bud as some have speculated.

See the video at link below:

https://www.azcentral.com/videos/sp...clock-hawks-coach-new-favorite-suns/33922503/

 

[Mainstreet]

You can like a post, any post all you want, but when you like a post that’s insulting a bunch of people, I’m going to point out your hypocrisy.

Well. You failed to do it.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Well. You failed to do it.

How so? You gave a thumbs up to a post that blatantly slings mud calling members of the board stupid and cancers.

And that thumbs up indicates you support the slinging of it, no?

How does that not show hypocrisy when you’re complaining of others slinging mud?

 

[AzStevenCal]

Scott Bordow believes if the Suns interview a coach under contract, they will need to give compensation.

So this will likely be the case with Bud as some have speculated.

See the video at link below:

https://www.azcentral.com/videos/sp...clock-hawks-coach-new-favorite-suns/33922503/

We shouldn't have to. That isn't the same thing as "we won't have to". I think every internet and sports talk voice that's suggested we will have to has helped create this situation. It makes no sense to compensate another team when they WANT to get rid of their coach. But the narrative now is fairly well set, we probably will have to give up the Milwaukee pick. I hope we are smart enough to shop elsewhere, hire a coach that can develop these players without giving away assets.