Cooper's Contract?

[bankybruce]

All that stuff is part of the rookie slotting system, especially the guaranteed contract.

Looks like you got turned around in the Spin Zone/Apologist Arena.

Since when are rookie deals 100% guaranteed? And since when do they pay all workout bonuses up front? I am a realist and see that agent are now trying to ensure they maximize what they can on less money for their first rounders. I cannot help that you only see things from a negative perspective, but until the first full practice happen, I am not worried.

 

[kerouac9]

Since when are rookie deals 100% guaranteed? And since when do they pay all workout bonuses up front? I am a realist and see that agent are now trying to ensure they maximize what they can on less money for their first rounders. I cannot help that you only see things from a negative perspective, but until the first full practice happen, I am not worried.

Rookie deals are 100% guaranteed since the new CBA and rookie salary scale. Every rookie contract is 100% guaranteed, I believe. Definitely the first rounders' contracts are fully guaranteed. The argle bargle over offset language is how much a drafting team still owes if a player is released and signs elsewhere.

There are no workout bonuses for rookies under the new CBA rookie compensation system. Do a little research, and you'll find that players from Patrick Peterson to Andrew Luck don't have additional bonus payments.

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I see things from the perspective of having knowledge and doing a little research. Of course, you can believe whatever you hear on talk radio, but you'll probably be poorer for it.

 

[Mulli]

Who hid my "who cares" button?

And a to negative k9 guy who was just the other day being VERY positive about the Cards in private messages.

 

[bankybruce]

Rookie deals are 100% guaranteed since the new CBA and rookie salary scale. Every rookie contract is 100% guaranteed, I believe. Definitely the first rounders' contracts are fully guaranteed. The argle bargle over offset language is how much a drafting team still owes if a player is released and signs elsewhere.

There are no workout bonuses for rookies under the new CBA rookie compensation system. Do a little research, and you'll find that players from Patrick Peterson to Andrew Luck don't have additional bonus payments.

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I see things from the perspective of having knowledge and doing a little research. Of course, you can believe whatever you hear on talk radio, but you'll probably be poorer for it.

Only the signing bonus is 100% guaranteed, but good try though. It is up to the angent and determine if the rest is and has nothing to do with the CBA. Good try though.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/jacksonville-jaguars/justin-blackmon/

The #5 pick last year is only guaranteed 11 of 18 million.

And the first OG taken last year is in the same boat. But look, he has a workout bonus paid 2015 for 400K.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/david-decastro/

Good try K9. Maybe the Football outsiders can give you some stats to help you out.

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[kerouac9]

Only the signing bonus is 100% guaranteed, but good try though. It is up to the angent and determine if the rest is and has nothing to do with the CBA. Good try though.

The #5 pick last year is only guaranteed 11 of 18 million.

And the first OG taken last year is in the same boat. But look, he has a workout bonus paid 2015 for 400K.

Good try K9. Maybe the Football outsiders can give you some stats to help you out.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Previewing-the-2013-rookie-deals.html

Cam Newton signed a fully guaranteed four-year, $22,025,498 deal, including a $14,518,544 signing bonus, as 2011’s top pick.

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The entire deals of the first half of the first round were fully guaranteed in 2012.

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All of the deals in the second half of the first round were guaranteed for the first three years. The 16th through 24th picks had either had a portion of their fourth year base salaries guaranteed and/or received lower base salaries with early roster bonuses (third to fifth day of the 2015 league year).

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To be fair, I was wrong about workout bonuses, but things change when you're looking at players at the top of the first round instead of the middle and late, as David DeCastro was.

Of course, you probably needed to do a little more research on that Blackmon contract, because you're dead wrong about it:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/e...ckmon-jaguars-agree-to-terms-on-185m-contract

Justin Blackmon and the Jaguars have agreed to terms on a rookie contract, the team announced on Twitter Monday. CBSSports.com's Jason La Canfora reports that the deal is worth $18.5 million over four years and that all four years are guaranteed.

Well, none of us are perfect, and some of us are less perfect than others, I guess.

FWIW, I'm not particularly concerned about Jonathan Cooper missing time. I think rookie holdouts are embarrassing to the organization, but you're talking about a few days in what we all hope is a decade-long NFL career. In the big picture, it doesn't really matter.

When the alternative is starting Chilo Rachal, Jonathan Cooper could miss three weeks of camp and still walk in as the presumptive starter.

 

[bankybruce]

My perdiction, Cooper signs late tonight and is in camp tomorrow. John Abraham will also sign today and Cooper was slightly delayed to get Winston and Abraham in camp.


Now, if he is not signed by tonight, I will start to get worried and frustrated since the FO was hosting FA's instead of getting him done.

 

[GuernseyCard]

My perdiction, Cooper signs late tonight and is in camp tomorrow. John Abraham will also sign today and Cooper was slightly delayed to get Winston and Abraham in camp.


Now, if he is not signed by tonight, I will start to get worried and frustrated since the FO was hosting FA's instead of getting him done.

There's more than one person handling these issues in the FO, so I can't see much on an issue with dealing with FA's and our one outstanding draftee.

Bottom line: If Cooper insists on a fully guaranteed contract there will be a delay.

 

[bankybruce]

Mike Jurecki ‏@mikejurecki 28m Still need to bridge the gap when it comes to guaranteed money, he wants the base salaries gtd. @foxsports910 RT @_bartcatz: .Cooper update?

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[bankybruce]

Time to eat some crow. K9 was right about something.

Mike Jurecki ‏@mikejurecki 24m You are correct, sounds like Cardinals don’t want to set a precedent. @BAKamper In the new CBA, Top 15 salaries are completely guaranteed.

Looks like Blackman was the exception. There is no excuse now.

 

[bankybruce]

OK, now I am confused.

Mike Jurecki ‏@mikejurecki 2m If you cut a top seven pick after three years that's on you. @BAKamper: Precedent IS guaranteed contracts. Cards want to BREAK precedent?

So is it written into the CBA or just the expected behavior?

 

[MadCardDisease]

Salaries for the top 16 draft choices are fully guaranteed through the first four years of their contracts

 

[bankybruce]

Salaries for the top 16 draft choices are fully guaranteed through the first four years of their contracts

Contract: 4 yr(s) / $18,512,102
Guaranteed: $11,900,000


http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/jacksonville-jaguars/justin-blackmon/

Now Justin Blackmon's.

 

[kerouac9]

Contract: 4 yr(s) / $18,512,102
Guaranteed: $11,900,000


http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/jacksonville-jaguars/justin-blackmon/

Now Justin Blackmon's.

Read down to the first bullet point under the table (I know it's hard to get all the way to read the whole thing), and it says "Fully Guaranteed".

You have lots of contemporary accounts that I've already provided to you substantiating this fact. The "Guaranteed" box in the Sportrac system is basically the addition of signing bonus and 1st year money.

EDIT: Also, you do you think is the one busting some knowledge out on Jurecki on Twitter?

 

[bankybruce]

Read down to the first bullet point under the table (I know it's hard to get all the way to read the whole thing), and it says "Fully Guaranteed".

You have lots of contemporary accounts that I've already provided to you substantiating this fact. The "Guaranteed" box in the Sportrac system is basically the addition of signing bonus and 1st year money.

EDIT: Also, you do you think is the one busting some knowledge out on Jurecki on Twitter?

Before you try to act all high and mighty about reading, maybe you should do the same and not be a douche canoe.

•Fully guaranteed
•Future guarantees can void if Blackmon incurs further off-the-field trouble•2013 Roster Bonus (3/13): $700,000
•2013 Roster Bonus (8/13): $1 million (non-guaranteed)
•2014 Roster Bonus (3/14): $1.7 million (non-guaranteed)
•2015 Roster Bonus (3/15): $1.39 million (non-guaranteed)
•2013 Suspended 4 Games : Substance Abuse

That does not looked fully Guaranteed to me. And yes, Mike Jurecki knows a lot more than you do about the the NFL and the Cardinals.

 

[cardpa]

Not to get off topic however Fitz and Palmer are going to cost $14 million more next year between the two of them. Fitz alone will be $8 million more. They really need to do something with his numbers.

 

[kerouac9]

Before you try to act all high and mighty about reading, maybe you should do the same and not be a douche canoe.

That does not looked fully Guaranteed to me. And yes, Mike Jurecki knows a lot more than you do about the the NFL and the Cardinals.

Stay classy, brother.

Mike Jurecki definitely knows more information about the inner workings of the Cards than I do, but I doubt very much that knows more about the workings of the NFL than I do, or joeshmo does, or any knowledgeable fan. He's just a media guy.

If he did, he would have been more specific on the gap between the Cards and Cooper's camp.

 

[bankybruce]

Stay classy, brother.

Mike Jurecki definitely knows more information about the inner workings of the Cards than I do, but I doubt very much that knows more about the workings of the NFL than I do, or joeshmo does, or any knowledgeable fan. He's just a media guy.

If he did, he would have been more specific on the gap between the Cards and Cooper's camp.

You are going to tell me to stay classy when you start a thread off with "(I know it's hard to get all the way to read the whole thing)", which you failed to do and address BTW.


I am done with you. It is hard to argue with the smartest man in the world how only know how to quote states from one website to base all of his opinion. And yes, you do not know as much as you think you do.

Turing Ignore on right now.

 

[BigRedRage]

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[Mulli]

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[TJ]

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[kerouac9]

They're fine candidates for bathrooms like this:

GET OUT OF MY HOUSE!

 

[kerouac9]

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http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-t...it-says-about-offensive-innovation-in-the-nfl

Sean Payton, Bill Parcells, and Jon Gruden are mystified about how to defend the single-wing offense, leading to Payton being dominated twice.

In pee-wee football.

 

[bankybruce]

Jurecki just did a great job of explaining the issue and it is not the money itself. It is about offset money if he is released. That means if he is cut after year 4 and signs with another team for 500K below what the Cardinals owe him, then the Cardinals only owe him 500K. Out of the 6 top 10 picks who have signed, three have it and three don't and Coopers agents wants Cooper to double dip if he is released and the Cardinals have never done a contract to allow that and are not going to bend this time.

 

[kerouac9]

Jurecki just did a great job of explaining the issue and it is not the money itself. It is about offset money if he is released. That means if he is cut after year 4 and signs with another team for 500K below what the Cardinals owe him, then the Cardinals only owe him 500K. Out of the 6 top 10 picks who have signed, three have it and three don't and Coopers agents wants Cooper to double dip if he is released and the Cardinals have never done a contract to allow that and are not going to bend this time.

It's industry practice for high draft picks not to have offset language. Mark Barron didn't have offset language drafted in the same place last year.

When I get a moment, I'll double-check Jurecki's assertion.

 

[Mainstreet]

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