Coro: Suns lock down frye 5/30m

[SunsTzu]

Something happened in the last 24 hours to make the Suns think Frye was getting offered a full MLE. It is almost like he actually was offered a full MLE. If he hadn't, then why the rush?

If he was offered it why not let him walk? Just because another team was willing to pay him that much doesn't mean it is a good deal.

 

[mojorizen7]

If he was offered it why not let him walk? Just because another team was willing to pay him that much doesn't mean it is a good deal.

Not to keep preaching on my soap box but...Sarver/Gentry aren't General Managers.

 

[Irish]

I'm not sure why Frye gets the hate he gets. He did what was asked of him and presumably they think he can do more. Like with Diaw, I was opposed to paying so much, but Diaw did fine in Charlotte.

 

[Sunburn]

I'm not sure why Frye gets the hate he gets. He did what was asked of him and presumably they think he can do more. Like with Diaw, I was opposed to paying so much, but Diaw did fine in Charlotte.

What does Diaw's play in Charlotte have to do with Channing Frye on this team at 30mil/5 years?

 

[Sunburn]

Well, one thing's for sure, Channing Frye should be kissing Lebron James' hairy beanbag.

 

[Irish]

What does Diaw's play in Charlotte have to do with Channing Frye on this team at 30mil/5 years?

I gave him as an example of a guy I opposed giving so much money to, but worked out and apparently did better after leaving the Suns. BTW, one of my big gripes with Diaw was that he was a very poor rebounder - much worse than Amare.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

If the market is $30M/5yr for Frye, then you don't pay it. Let him walk, sign a hungry scrub for a fifth the cost, and win 42 games instead of 46.

It's unbelievable that this franchise will pay $30 million to Frye in order to be a #7 seed instead of a lottery team, but wouldn't pay $8 million plus some luxury tax to Kurt Thomas to be a title contender instead of a playoff also-ran. Think about that for a moment.

Exactly, just as Ouchie said, penny wise, pound foolish. The apologists will come and bleat about this proving that Sarver isn't cheap, but they don't get the point. It isn't a matter of him being cheap; rather a matter of him being a bad, meddlesome owner.

A smart owner lets basketball minds make basketball decisions, and stays out of the way. A Sarver lets his GM go a week before the draft, and thinks he can be a GM. Wallowing in mediocrity is really going to suck.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I can't believe all the Frye hate here. This isn't a horrible contract, IMO, it's just a mildly bad contract and the NBA is full of those. I think Sarver made this move for the wrong reason though. I think it was solely to try and stem the panic that is sure to arise when Amare walks away without compensation (or at least fair compensation).

I think we're in for some tough times but it won't be caused by the Frye signing. The loss of Amare and the decline of Nash and Hill will render us lottery bound fairly soon (this upcoming season probably, the next season almost definitely). The only reason I hate the Frye signing is that it's evidence that Sarver will probably try to put a band-aid on the gushing wound that is the Suns. It's time to let this team die gracefully.

Steve

 

[Sunburn]

I gave him as an example of a guy I opposed giving so much money to, but worked out and apparently did better after leaving the Suns. BTW, one of my big gripes with Diaw was that he was a very poor rebounder - much worse than Amare.

So are you saying Frye will do better after leaving the Suns? Diaw's contract working out, which is arguable, has nothing to do with how Frye's will turn out. For one, Frye can't hold a candle to Diaw. Diaw, when not scoring, can play solid defense, pass, and, yes, rebound. He has range on his jumpshot and a solid post game. You can run the offense through him. He is a triple double threat. Even with his lackadaisical tendencies, he was still a potent weapon. Frye can shoot 3's. . . . and that's it. When he's not hitting 3's, he hurts the team because he cannot play effective defense against opposing 4 and 5's. Diaw and Frye are apples and oranges. Diaw brought a lot of abilities to the table albeit inconsistently. Frye brings one ability to the table, and, like Diaw, that one ability is inconsistent. Unlike Diaw, Frye will get you demolished on the opposite end of the court. Oh, and for what it's worth, last word was Larry Brown was growing tired of Diaw's inconsistency in Charlotte.

 

[Sunburn]

I can't believe all the Frye hate here. This isn't a horrible contract, IMO, it's just a mildly bad contract and the NBA is full of those. I think Sarver made this move for the wrong reason though. I think it was solely to try and stem the panic that is sure to arise when Amare walks away without compensation (or at least fair compensation).

I think we're in for some tough times but it won't be caused by the Frye signing. The loss of Amare and the decline of Nash and Hill will render us lottery bound fairly soon (this upcoming season probably, the next season almost definitely). The only reason I hate the Frye signing is that it's evidence that Sarver will probably try to put a band-aid on the gushing wound that is the Suns. It's time to let this team die gracefully.

Steve

5 years/30 mil for a one dimensional bench player that has no D who will not fit here once Nash leaves is pretty frickin bad Steve. I don't hate Frye. I just see him for what he is and it doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Trifecta]

So are you saying Frye will do better after leaving the Suns? Diaw's contract working out, which is arguable, has nothing to do with how Frye's will turn out. For one, Frye can't hold a candle to Diaw. Diaw, when not scoring, can play solid defense, pass, and, yes, rebound. He has range on his jumpshot and a solid post game. You can run the offense through him. He is a triple double threat. Even with his lackadaisical tendencies, he was still a potent weapon. Frye can shoot 3's. . . . and that's it. When he's not hitting 3's, he hurts the team because he cannot play effective defense against opposing 4 and 5's. Diaw and Frye are apples and oranges. Diaw brought a lot of abilities to the table albeit inconsistently. Frye brings one ability to the table, and, like Diaw, that one ability is inconsistent. Unlike Diaw, Frye will get you demolished on the opposite end of the court. Oh, and for what it's worth, last word was Larry Brown was growing tired of Diaw's inconsistency in Charlotte.

and Diaw makes about $3m, or 50% more per year, than Frye will with his new contract.

 

[Trifecta]

5 years/30 mil for a one dimensional bench player that has no D who will not fit here once Nash leaves is pretty frickin bad Steve. I don't hate Frye. I just see him for what he is and it doesn't make sense to me.

Apparently there is a team option involved (I obviosly cant confirm this and we wont know until he signs), so we might be able to dump him a year or so after Nash leaves.

 

[Sunburn]

and Diaw makes about $3m, or 50% more per year than Frye will with his new contract.

True. I was simply comparing Frye and Diaw to show how different of players they are, and how Diaw's success (arguable) does not translate to Frye. But following along with your point, how much are the added abilities that Diaw is bringing to the table worth? Passing, defense, rebounding, post game, triple double threat, offensive run through point. I would say a lot more than +3 million. Frye at 6 mil, Diaw at 9 mil - With Diaw you're getting a lot more bang for your buck. I'll put it this way, as soft as I think Diaw is, I wouldn't worry about him as my starting 4. I'm worried about Frye. If I was an owner, that right there would be worth more than 3 mil per year.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I don't hate Frye. I just see him for what he is and it doesn't make sense to me.

Dang, I wish I could. These stupid purple glasses keep coloring my opinion.

Steve

 

[AzStevenCal]

True. But how much are the added abilities that Diaw is bringing to the table worth? I would say a lot more than +3 million. Frye at 6 mil, Diaw at 9 mil - With Diaw you're getting a lot more bang for your buck. A LOT more, even with his inconsistencies.

You mean the dour attitude and lack of work ethic that Diaw brings to work regularly? I'll bet he's a swell clubhouse presence also. Go back and watch how Diaw's teammates responded to him and compare it to how Frye's teammates respond.

Steve

 

[Trifecta]

True. How much are the added abilities that Diaw is bringing to the table worth? Passing, defense, rebounding, post game, triple double threat, offensive run through point. I would say a lot more than +3 million. Frye at 6 mil, Diaw at 9 mil - With Diaw you're getting a lot more bang for your buck.

They're both too high, but at least Frye seems to get along with everyone, hasn't really sulked about his bench role to my knowledge, and doesn't show up to camp overweight (touch wood)

 

[Sunburn]

i realize Diaw had shortcomings. I did not mean to turn this into a debate about Diaw. I was simply comparing Diaw and Frye to show what different players they are, and how the success of Diaw (arguable) does not translate into success for Frye, which seemed to be what Irish was alluding to. I am not clamoring to bring Diaw back. However, he brings a lot more to the table. I'm not exaggerating this. In 05-06, I did not see any sulking. When he was relegated to the bench and in Porter's system from hell, perhaps these were the causes of his sulking. He was not the only one. See Nash and Bell. In any case, I have amended the previous post to make my point more clear.

 

[Sunburn]

Dang, I wish I could. These stupid purple glasses keep coloring my opinion.

Steve

Why don't you list the attributes that you feel Frye brings to the table and makes him worth 30 mil/5 years and I will see if I can counter. That way maybe we both can analytically decide what he is.

 

[Covert Rain]

If Lopez/Frye is our starting front court then you can kiss the playoffs goodbye. I really hope the Suns have something else up their sleeves. Frye is the ugly girl in the corner that you have to settle for because nobody else would dance with you.

Seriously, this contract is not horrible but it's not great either. This sounds like a desperation move on the Suns part to hold on to some resemblance of last years team. Frye is great off the bench and good at what he does (spreading the floor). However, that is far cry from starting IMO.

I have to believe the Suns plan on adding a starting PF or that makes this signing a bad one. Frye isn't a game changer on your roster. Frye is a solid role player you add to your contending team. If we don't replace Amare with a legit PF then what is the point to locking up a role player for long term?

 

[Sunburn]

True. I was simply comparing Frye and Diaw to show how different of players they are, and how Diaw's success (arguable) does not translate to Frye. But following along with your point, how much are the added abilities that Diaw is bringing to the table worth? Passing, defense, rebounding, post game, triple double threat, offensive run through point. I would say a lot more than +3 million. Frye at 6 mil, Diaw at 9 mil - With Diaw you're getting a lot more bang for your buck. I'll put it this way, as soft as I think Diaw is, I wouldn't worry about him as my starting 4. I'm worried about Frye. If I was an owner, that right there would be worth more than 3 mil per year.

Amended

 

[cly2tw]

I can't believe all the Frye hate here. This isn't a horrible contract, IMO, it's just a mildly bad contract and the NBA is full of those. I think Sarver made this move for the wrong reason though. I think it was solely to try and stem the panic that is sure to arise when Amare walks away without compensation (or at least fair compensation).

I think we're in for some tough times but it won't be caused by the Frye signing. The loss of Amare and the decline of Nash and Hill will render us lottery bound fairly soon (this upcoming season probably, the next season almost definitely). The only reason I hate the Frye signing is that it's evidence that Sarver will probably try to put a band-aid on the gushing wound that is the Suns. It's time to let this team die gracefully.

Steve

It's not hate on Frye. Only this signing makes little basketball sense for the Suns anyway you look at it. If Amare leaves without compensation, Frye is insubstantial and absolutely dispensible, and costing us better lottery pick position in addition. If Amare stays, it's still not wise to spend this amount money on Frye, as we'd rather go after some true center backup to fight the sizes of the Lakers. Just unwise investment for the Suns.

 

[slinslin]

We are wasting more than 10% of the cap on a 3 point specialist who can't shoot on the road.

****ing awesome, I am done with this team.

This is turning out way worse than the worst case I predicted after the draft.

 

[AfroSuns]

Maybe am mistaking but isn't Frye earning more than Grant Hill now?? But Hill has a slightly better stats than Frye. That is ridiculous!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[AzStevenCal]

Why don't you list the attributes that you feel Frye brings to the table and makes him worth 30 mil/5 years and I will see if I can counter. That way maybe we both can analytically decide what he is.

I don't think he is worth it. I thought the absolute max I'd give the guy is 5 year/25 million. I just think that in the scheme of things this is a fairly small issue. We're heading into hard times and the Frye contract is just a minor hiccup. Losing Amare for nothing plus having an owner that thinks he's a decision maker and an injury prone point guard and a roster filled with complementary players worries me a lot more than Frye's 30 million.

Steve

 

[Mainstreet]

Losing Amare for nothing plus having an owner that thinks he's a decision maker and an injury prone point guard and a roster filled with complementary players worries me a lot more than Frye's 30 million.

Steve

So who is the injury prone PG? It can't be Nash if you look at his record of games played.