Cousins Dollars Look Too High

[cardncubfan]

And that single weapon is coming off injury and hasn’t played in a year.

I really hope he can come back from that devastating wrist injury.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

Do the Cards have another Vet QB up there sleeve we aren't talking about. Tyrod Taylor seems out; or Andy Dalton or another Vet teams are ready to move and go young for. Similar to Cards grabbing Palmer?

 

[JeffGollin]

The only thing we can do is draft our QB in the first round. Unless we are going to go into the season with Drew Stanton or Blaine Gabbert as our starting QB I don't see any other option. The strategy is simple. Trade up and get our QBOTF. We are not getting Cousins for 30 million a year so why even think about it. Plus if we draft our QB we will have a ton of money to improve the rest of the team with a #2 CB, WR, OG, ect... This is rebuild time. If we do it right we have one bad year and then many winning ones.

We don't know how Wilks,,McCoy and Keim rate various FA quarterbacks and how much they're worth on the open maket - let alone whether they're worth paying for. I'd guess that there are a few veterans these guys are targeting - based on past relationships, tape etc. We may not agree with their likes or dislikes (or costs) but I feel pretty confident that our coaches and Keim will end up with someone they like - whomever thatturns out to be.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

How is Fitz not a #1 receiver anymore? His stats each year says different.

He’s certainly not a wr that strikes fear into defenses. And I love me some Fitz.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I really hope he can come back from that devastating wrist injury.

Dude it was “devastating” (your word, never mine) injury that kept him out an ENTIRE SEASON. Downplay it all you want, but an entire season is nothing to sneeze at. His wrist might be 100% when he comes back, I’m not an expert (nor do I believe you are), but that’s still a year of missed football. I’d expect even great players to be at least a little rusty after sitting out an entire year.

 

[GimmedaBall]

Do the Cards have another Vet QB up there sleeve we aren't talking about. Tyrod Taylor seems out; or Andy Dalton or another Vet teams are ready to move and go young for. Similar to Cards grabbing Palmer?

Here's a list of 30 QBs who will be FA:

http://walterfootball.com/freeagents2018QB.php

Possible that there will be other cuts---Eli Manning with the Giants sitting at #2 in the draft. They could go draft QB and a stop gap QB and let Manning go/trade.

You mentioned Dalton---Bengals may decide it better to keep AJ Mac and let Dalton go. They haven't won anything with him or their enshrined HC.

 

[Solar7]

The only thing we can do is draft our QB in the first round. Unless we are going to go into the season with Drew Stanton or Blaine Gabbert as our starting QB I don't see any other option. The strategy is simple. Trade up and get our QBOTF. We are not getting Cousins for 30 million a year so why even think about it. Plus if we draft our QB we will have a ton of money to improve the rest of the team with a #2 CB, WR, OG, ect... This is rebuild time. If we do it right we have one bad year and then many winning ones.

Yeah, perfect strategy, trading up for the 3rd QB off the board. And waiting all offseason to address the position when someone can outbid us.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Elite QBs doesn’t struggle against divisional rivals. They also lead their team to a 10 win season no matter how underwhelming their supporting cast might be. No one on planet earth classify Cousins as anything close to an elite QB. That label only belongs to Rodgers, Brady, & Brees.

Vonte, I have seen Cousins against us and special is not the word or elite. This is where stats do not reveal the truth

 

[TJ]

I think Cousins goes to Denver, and I wouldn’t be surprised if the framework for a deal is in place very soon.

If true, that takes out two teams in front of us who’d otherwise look to draft a QB.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Dude it was “devastating” (your word, never mine) injury that kept him out an ENTIRE SEASON. Downplay it all you want, but an entire season is nothing to sneeze at. His wrist might be 100% when he comes back, I’m not an expert (nor do I believe you are), but that’s still a year of missed football. I’d expect even great players to be at least a little rusty after sitting out an entire year.

I don't know... Cub seemed to be a medical expert last off-season when he declared that both John Brown and HB were "back!"

That said, I don't worry about DJ.

 

[Solar7]

Vonte, I have seen Cousins against us and special is not the word or elite. This is where stats do not reveal the truth

DV is on your side in this.

Cousins isn’t “elite,” but he’s top 10. Many players have had bad games.

 

[TJ]

DV is on your side in this.

Cousins isn’t “elite,” but he’s top 10. Many players have had bad games.

Top-10? Is he any better than any of the following:

Brees
Ben
Brady
Ryan
Rodgers
Wilson
Luck
Wentz
Goff
Rivers
Carr
Cam

 

[Vacard]

Top-10? Is he any better than any of the following:

Brees - no
Ben - no
Brady - no
Ryan - tossup
Rodgers - of course not
Wilson- no
Luck - he might not be 100 percent ever
Wentz- no
Goff - for now, yes
Rivers- tossup
Carr - yes
Cam - yes

 

[TJ]

I appreciate your loyalty to Cousins, but to say he's a toss-up with Rivers and Ryan is silly. One's a former MVP, the other has been one of the most efficient QBs since 2004.

The reality is he's lumped into a tier (good, not great) with the following QBs:

Flacco
Winston
Mariota
Jimmy G.
Alex Smith

That would put Cousins between 15-20.

 

[DVontel]

In what world is Cousins better than Cam???

If you want to talk about a guy who gets it done with a lack of weapons, THAT is the guy people should be defending. Not Cousins.

 

[DVontel]

I appreciate your loyalty to Cousins, but to say he's a toss-up with Rivers and Ryan is silly. One's a former MVP, the other has been one of the most efficient QBs since 2004.

The reality is he's lumped into a tier (good, not great) with the following QBs:

Flacco
Winston
Mariota
Jimmy G.
Alex Smith

That would put Cousins between 15-20.

Eh, he’s better than Flacco. I’ll give him that. Flacco has been awful since that contact.

 

[TJ]

Eh, he’s better than Flacco. I’ll give him that. Flacco has been awful since that contact.

Not saying he's better, but when you're debating which QBs are better, these are the most comparable QBs. The QBs I listed earlier are unequivocally better than Cousins.

 

[Cards_Campos]

If we sign Bradford someone should have had examined. Brittle Bradford would be disasterous here. Tyrod Taylor or Cousins.

 

[overseascardfan]

I'd prefer that we follow established BPA protocol and grab a QB if he's at the top of our board - or someone at another position if he ranks higher.

I was using Falk as an example in Round 3. But question for you, at what point does need for a QB trump BPA. ARZ needs a QB more than anything because they don’t have one on the roster. You can argue Lamar Jackson or Baker Mayfield are BPA at #15 as they were arguably two of the best 15 players in college football last year. But point is we really need to fix OL first.

 

[GimmedaBall]

Bleacher Report has their rankings for 2017:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2751014-nfl1000-ranking-the-top-quarterbacks-from-2017-season

You can argue their rankings but they do give their rationale as to why a player is ranked where they have him/.

 

[JeffGollin]

I was using Falk as an example in Round 3. But question for you, at what point does need for a QB trump BPA. ARZ needs a QB more than anything because they don’t have one on the roster. You can argue Lamar Jackson or Baker Mayfield are BPA at #15 as they were arguably two of the best 15 players in college football last year. But point is we really need to fix OL first.

You don't do it that way.

You don't set yourself up to choose between BPA or Best QB. Instead, you build Draft-pool Depth and Position Importance (i.e. need for QB) into each prospect's BPA ratings and then take the dude with the highest score.

In short, you put yur thumb gently on the scale - i.e. you give our need for QB more weight than usual, but you don't give away the store or pass up an All Pro at another position by drafting a QB at all costs.

 

[POISON]

Cut Fitz and HB and sign Cousins. That's the only way to go.

No way! Cousins isn't that good of a qb ,much less what he'll be asking for. Take rookie qb and get a veteran for a bridge qb.

 

[Solar7]

Top-10? Is he any better than any of the following:

Brees
Ben
Brady
Ryan
Rodgers
Wilson
Luck
Wentz
Goff
Rivers
Carr
Cam

Statistically he's been in the top 10 the past three years, every year he's been a starter. I'm not arguing feelings here, just the numbers. I'm fine if you like other QBs more, but he has put up the statistics to be considered top 10.

 

[Stout]

I'd prefer that we follow established BPA protocol and grab a QB if he's at the top of our board - or someone at another position if he ranks higher.

The problem is that our BPA protocol has failed Keim pretty bad, especially in the 1st round last year. And it's mysteriously kept us from drafting ANYONE at the QB position beyond...I can't even type his name lol The franchise has clearly made a decision in the past to avoid drafting the position. That's the only possible explanation for them NEVER having a QB at the top of the BPA list in ANY round in ANY of the recent drafts, save for...fine, Logan Thomas. There, I said it

 

[Stout]

Statistically he's been in the top 10 the past three years, every year he's been a starter. I'm not arguing feelings here, just the numbers. I'm fine if you like other QBs more, but he has put up the statistics to be considered top 10.

How's that worked out for him? You can put up all the stats you want, but they mean nothing when you don't win. Saying stats alone make a QB top-ten in this league is flawed logic.