Cousins Dollars Look Too High

[Solar7]

Take this for what it's worth: http://dailysnark.com/broncos-qb-kirk-cousins-reportedly-close-deal/

Sounds terribly sourced, and if it were true, one hell of a tampering scenario, unless for some reason the Broncos are trading for Cousins before the end of the league year.

Regardless, the Broncos shot this down... so we'll see.

 

[Stout]

I want AJ MacCarron, who in my opinion is a younger version of Alex Smith. As Chopper said, Cousins comes with a huge cost Solar... btw, we do have a choice of rookies in a deep quarterback class

Then I don't want him

 

[Buckybird]

Cut Fitz and HB and sign Cousins. That's the only way to go.

We have no shot, or should we make Cousins the highest paid (or close) QB in the NFL.

Just dumb!!! But dreaming is free

 

[GimmedaBall]

A review of the Smith trade:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...of-the-alex-smith-trade-kirk-cousins-benefits

 

[GimmedaBall]

A GM not looking to tweak the system to get the QB he wants doesn't want one bad enough.

 

[Buckybird]

Sounds terribly sourced, and if it were true, one hell of a tampering scenario, unless for some reason the Broncos are trading for Cousins before the end of the league year.

Regardless, the Broncos shot this down... so we'll see.

The only way the Skins could even possibly trade him is to tag Cousins again at $34 or $25 mil depending on the tag & there’s not a chance in hell the Skins do that! Snyder is dumb but he’s not that stupid.

He will be free in March, mark it down.

 

[Solar7]

The only way the Skins could even possibly trade him is to tag Cousins again at $34 or $25 mil depending on the tag & there’s not a chance in hell the Skins do that! Snyder is dumb but he’s not that stupid.

He will be free in March, mark it down.

You're right, I totally had forgotten that the mysterious concept of the trade deadline existed, haha.

I blame the ridiculous workday.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I get having a year off. Sometimes you are a little rusty when you come back. They put him on ir because it was going to take at least 6 weeks to heal. I believe he could have came back last year but they just didn't want to risk it with our injured OL.

So according to you, if he could’ve come back after six weeks but didn’t bring him back, they weren’t “going for it” so why give up anything to grade for AP? I don’t believe he could’ve come back after six weeks.

 

[TJ]

FYI, the salary cap is expected to rise to $178M in 2018.

Just keepin' it real!

...dave

Yeah my brain wasn’t working very well when I made that post. I was off on the cap by like $40+ mil.

 

[oaken1]

The only way the Skins could even possibly trade him is to tag Cousins again at $34 or $25 mil depending on the tag & there’s not a chance in hell the Skins do that! Snyder is dumb but he’s not that stupid.

He will be free in March, mark it down.

he is still under contract right now... they can trade his rights to Denver for a conditional 7th rounder so they can negotiate.... or,...maybe the "trade deadline" affects that.... no...pretty certain they can trade his rights... that would give denver the right to franchise him if they cant reach a deal right away... still..seems sketchy

would really throw a monkey wrench in the mix if the league put the kybash on both the smith deal and the cousins deal for tampering reasons and suddenly both guys were back on the market and now unable to do what was reported.

 

[oaken1]

So according to you, if he could’ve come back after six weeks but didn’t bring him back, they weren’t “going for it” so why give up anything to grade for AP? I don’t believe he could’ve come back after six weeks.

they had mentioned several times that he would be back in december... then when december came they hesitated then declared him out for the season.
at that point they likely did decide to mitigate risk...screw it, let the guy heal and get stronger... a wrist is important to a RB,... they use it to hang on to the ball.

 

[WisconsinCard]

How's that worked out for him? You can put up all the stats you want, but they mean nothing when you don't win. Saying stats alone make a QB top-ten in this league is flawed logic.

48 million dollars over the last two year is how it worked out for him If he wasn't in the top ten the years prior they wouldn't have put the tag on him.

 

[WisconsinCard]

The problem is that our BPA protocol has failed Keim pretty bad, especially in the 1st round last year. And it's mysteriously kept us from drafting ANYONE at the QB position beyond...I can't even type his name lol The franchise has clearly made a decision in the past to avoid drafting the position.

If the rumors are true then this statement is not true. The word was we tried to trade up for a QB, now weather you believe that or not is another debate.

 

[WisconsinCard]

To hell with rankings, an elite QB is someone with the ability to not only have the physical traits to deliver the ball in the right place but go through their progressions. Cousins usually appears to get to his second read max and is most successful when he can hit his first read with some open space till the field shortens. An elite QB can run the whole cycle of their progressions, going to their third option and even cycling back down to the first. If there are say only six guys who can do that, then who cares if you make number eight, being in the top ten would not make you elite

Do you have a link to support this? I just can't imagine a QB could throw for 4000 yards a season and be a one/two read QB.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Same as the Alex Smith trade. Some how they are finding a way to get around the rules. Maybe agents can talk all they want just not the players or teams to each other.

Nope you cannot talk to people under contract with another team until March. It's simply not true.

 

[Buckybird]

he is still under contract right now... they can trade his rights to Denver for a conditional 7th rounder so they can negotiate.... or,...maybe the "trade deadline" affects that.... no...pretty certain they can trade his rights... that would give denver the right to franchise him if they cant reach a deal right away... still..seems sketchy

would really throw a monkey wrench in the mix if the league put the kybash on both the smith deal and the cousins deal for tampering reasons and suddenly both guys were back on the market and now unable to do what was reported.

From what I have read that’s simply not true once your season is over. If true why wouldn’t many teams start trying to do just that before FA to avoid getting nothing for backend players on their roster.

Maybe I’m wrong, but from what a read yesterday it seemed as if expiring contracts are technically done unless tagged once the season ends

 

[WisconsinCard]

From what I have read that’s simply not true once your season is over. If true why wouldn’t many teams start trying to do just that before FA to avoid getting nothing for backend players on their roster.

Maybe I’m wrong, but from what a read yesterday it seemed as if expiring contracts are technically done unless tagged once the season ends

You are correct sir, they could agree in principal to trade him (A-LA Alex Smith) but it doesn't go into affect until March at league year end. The same time free agency starts, so in essence you would have just traded for a free agent.

 

[Buckybird]

You are correct sir, they could agree in principal to trade him (A-LA Alex Smith) but it doesn't go into affect until March at league year end. The same time free agency starts, so in essence you would have just traded for a free agent.

The difference is he’s under contract next season correct?

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

Sounds like a fugazi.

 

[oaken1]

From what I have read that’s simply not true once your season is over. If true why wouldn’t many teams start trying to do just that before FA to avoid getting nothing for backend players on their roster.

Maybe I’m wrong, but from what a read yesterday it seemed as if expiring contracts are technically done unless tagged once the season ends

okay...gotcha... I guess it would kinda violate the spirit of free agency...and its probably why they came up with compensatory picks,...so a team can get at least "something" when their good players leave.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Do you have a link to support this? I just can't imagine a QB could throw for 4000 yards a season and be a one/two read QB.

I watched him in the games he played against us and seen some other games of his. Yes, some defenses are that mediocre that if you know your system and are accurate you can achieve those stats going through only your first two reads. Cousins is like Stanton except unlike Stanton he has a very accurate arm, it's his mental progressions which defeats him from being elite, and his mental progressions are not much different than Stanton. How many times have we seen Stanton go through the same limited reads but unable to hit a receiver due to his accuracy. When he gets into the red zone, when the game is on the line, when the defenses are showing change ups in games that count against playoff caliber teams he has to beat, he cannot carry his team like an elite quarterback which is the salary he's asking for

 

[WisconsinCard]

The difference is he’s under contract next season correct?

You sir are on fire.

Smith is under contract, so they can make a trade in principal. They just can't make it official until March.

 

[WisconsinCard]

I watched him in the games he played against us and seen some other games of his. Yes, some defenses are that mediocre that if you know your system and are accurate you can achieve those stats going through only your first two reads. Cousins is like Stanton except unlike Stanton he has a very accurate arm, it's his mental progressions which defeats him from being elite, and his mental progressions are not much different than Stanton. How many times have we seen Stanton go through the same limited reads but unable to hit a receiver due to his accuracy. When he gets into the red zone, when the game is on the line, when the defenses are showing change ups in games that count against playoff caliber teams he has to beat, he cannot carry his team like an elite quarterback which is the salary he's asking for

Thanks I was just wondering if that was just your opinion, or it came from something you read.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Thanks I was just wondering if that was just your opinion, or it came from something you read.

Just my opinion and I may be wrong but there is just something about Cousins which is not fluid after a play starts developing. After I did have that idea, I went and read some Skins' observations and their complaint was he often goes off his first read. I will give him more credit than that because he has had success after one year and one does not keep throwing for that yardage without some kind of progression after other teams are familiar with his tendencies... good QB but not elite

 

[Arz101]

Paging @Mitch, A new thread for possible QBs under contract and their potential trade value for cards? Please include backup QB trade level players too

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