Cut Kolb-Start Skelton-an option?

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Really? Haha.. What games were you watching?


every single one. Skelton stands in the pocket and takes hits like a man. If he does run, he runs forward. What games were you watching? Kolb runs backwards and then fumbles and gets a concussion.

any time anyone says the word kolb I see him 15 yards behind the LOS getting sacked by baltimore.
 

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Kolb is shell shocked. He drops back and looks at the rush. You can't teach confidence and poise, which are the things that Skelton has over Kolb. Best solution is to drop Kolb and bring someone else in to compete with Skelton.
 

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But, one may attain confidence and poise though it cannot be learned...Skelton's accuracy was so bad that it is doubtful you can teach him anything to change it to a level that will rectify it and is surely won't come from a moment of faith or success (like a game winning drive) which is possible with confidence.
 

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Kolb came from a West Coast Offense to the Cardinals and had to learn a completely new system. He had to do this in a couple of weeks with a bunch of teammates he had just met.

Clearly Kolbs head was spinning as he tried to digest it all. If Manning doesn't come here then I think the Cards are fine with Kolb. Give him an entire offseason to work out the kinks and completely learn the system. I'm fine with that.
 

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Cutting Kolb not a terrible idea in principle - it takes the Manning/Roster Bonus 800 lb gorilla out of the room and gives us more wriggle room to make other moves to strengthen other positions of priority (like both tackles).

Indeed, we could live with Skelton and Bartel with the possibility of signing Hasselbeck.

But there's one major issue that we'd be foolish to ignore:

What if our coaches feel that last year was a fluke and Kolb continues to be as good as orginally thought; coupled with a clean bill of health by our medics.

I agree with those who thought Skelton outplayed Kolb last year, but that's based on watching a TV screen from 2,000 miles away. The read on Kolb might be entirely different when seen up close & personal by experts who are with him in the meeting rooms, practice field and sideline.

Regardless of some of the rants posted of late, I still trust judgment of Wiz and his staff to make the right decision either way.
 

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I just want a QB. It has made me cranky and I would like to thank this forum for allowing me to ramble aimlessly on the topic all the ways from Texas haha
 

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Manning>Kolb>Skelton, I am sure Fitz feels the same way. Skelton appears to be more durable, but Kolb is way more game ready. IMO, doesn't much matter unless we get a line and a healthy (literally) running game.
 

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lets make it even more interesting. I will also go with Brees(still having contract problems)>Manning (Brees ontop due to Manning's age and health concerns of course)>Kolb>Skelton>and that unknown guy we will eventually see>Bartel :)
 

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lets make it even more interesting. I will also go with Brees(still having contract problems)>Manning (Brees ontop due to Manning's age and health concerns of course)>Kolb>Skelton>and that unknown guy we will eventually see>Bartel :)

Max Hall > All of the aforementioned....combined
 

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And go with Skelton, Bartel, and a newbie into the season? Too risky. Especially with how dry the free agent market is this season for quarterbacks.

You're one hit away from having Bartel being the starter for the season. That proposition scares me.

The best bet is to keep the guys on the roster who know the system.

Unless Peyton signs, then all bets are off....

Hall knows the system. Why on earth is he on this team? Who else in the NFL would actually sign him?
 

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I think I read that Kolb is like a $8 million cap hit this year, while Skelton is less than a million dollars. Kolb isn't 8x's more accurate than Skelton.

If success at QB is about winning then why is there any discussion at all? Look at Kolb's record and look at Skelton's record. Better yet believe what your eyes told you if you watched the games last year.
 

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Hall knows the system. Why on earth is he on this team? Who else in the NFL would actually sign him?

He's not on the team. He was released/injury settlement before the start of last season.
 

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Hall has signed with a pop warner team, he found he still had some years of eligibility, the pads fit him fine, his arm strength is no longer a concern and he knows the system and we cannot forget his picture is next to the definition of moxie
 

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Its hard to view the Cowboys game as some revelation for Kolb. Our offense was nothing special in that game, scored 13 points in regulation against a very very bad Cowboy's pass defense. If the Boys dont freeze their own kicker its just one more game where Kolb pisses away an opportunity to win.

It was a better effort than Kolb's previous few games, but a setup up from garbage isnt that hard.

Kolb's starts have a 1/4 chance of him getting injured and a 1/5 chance of him actually winning a game.

Between whats left in free agency and the later rounds of the draft I have a hard time believing we cant replace those "results".
 

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Kolb:

No Pocket Presence

Injury Prone



Skelton:

inconsistent


I say we cut Kolb and use that extra money to give Skelton some help on the Oline or some offensive weapons. OR we could use some of that money to go get Kamerion Wimbley.
 

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If PM doesn't sign with us, i'm for cutting Kolb and going with Flynn/Skelton. If Kolb or Skelton looked half as good as Flynn in his 2 games we'd be hailing them as our saviors.
 
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If PM doesn't sign with us, i'm for cutting Kolb and going with Flynn/Skelton.
Like we could make that happen by clicking SUBMIT.

These various moves are fine in principle, but making them happen is really iffy due to the number of variables (including intense competition for good players' services).

So by all means up pursue the strategy, but just don't think things will happen easily or automatically.
 

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unless some are extremely forgetful, Kolb is a lot more accurate than Skelton...and that is not to say that Kolb is that accurate to begin with.

the concussion thing would be my main concern, but for all his positive traits (and Skelton has many)...Skelton is still absolutely horrible when it comes towards accuracy. Having a freak at WR like Larry will mask some of the inaccurate throws but he is just not accurate. I'm hoping that possibly working on the footwork can make him get better but accuracy is something that does not usually improve too much unless it was first the result of not knowing the playbook.

But, one may attain confidence and poise though it cannot be learned...Skelton's accuracy was so bad that it is doubtful you can teach him anything to change it to a level that will rectify it and is surely won't come from a moment of faith or success (like a game winning drive) which is possible with confidence.
Really??

I wouldn't call a difference of 2.8% "a lot"...

Kolb 57.7
Skelton 54.9
 
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Rewatch the tape. Kolb when healthy looked good enough...add to it a full offseason and we are a better team.

Skelton was a nightmare for 3 quarters....expecting him to fix all the issues he has would be a miracle.
It depends what your definition of "good enough" is... I recall only one half of a good game from Kolb (Dallas) out of the eight he played where he seemed comfortable. Maybe it is a good sign that he is improving since that was the last game he played before concussion.
 

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Like we could make that happen by clicking SUBMIT.

These various moves are fine in principle, but making them happen is really iffy due to the number of variables (including intense competition for good players' services).

So by all means up pursue the strategy, but just don't think things will happen easily or automatically.

True; and I forgot about our 4 pm EST Friday deadline for Kolb's bonus. Not much time to put a deal together like that if PM doesn't decide quickly, or at least eliminate us as a suitor.
 

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Really??

I wouldn't call a difference of 2.8% "a lot"...

Kolb 57.7
Skelton 54.9

Exactly, an when you factor in that Skelton throws (truly) "a lot" more down field passes then it wipes away a lot of said "accuracy".
 

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