Cut Kolb-Start Skelton-an option?

[Mitch]

it s all about manning now..if he goes to tennesee hasselabck will be an option but i dont think they like him cause probably they could try to get him last season..i heard on twitter that gerrard said he fully recovery from the injury and already had a hand full of teams calling his agent

Hasselbeck > Gerrard....by a wide margin.

 

[Darkside]

If we don't land Manning, we're going to keep Kolb, and I think to do otherwise is completely irrational. First and foremost, you can't just give up on guys that have a bad (horrible) season. Probably the only guy on our team who hasn't had a bad season is Fitz. We wouldn't attract any talent at all if we gave up on dudes that easily--especially considering Kolb came in a shortened season with no prep-work, without seeing a playbook, and without even throwing to Fitz etc. What does that say to other guys thinking of coming here? It sends the wrong message.

I also think it's just bad business. We don't know that he's going to suck again this year. Some people think so, but nobody knows for a fact. Frankly, it will make Whis and Graves look completely idiotic, to make that kind of a move, invest that kind of money, and take a chance on a QB everyone thought was the best available, and then dump him after a shortened year. It gives the impression that they really don't know what they're doing. I know some of you think that anyway, but you can't reinforce it by making such a move in such a short duration. With DA it was acceptable because his signing was a desperation move to begin with and they didn't give him Kolb kind of money.

If you're Whis, you have to give the kid a chance to prove himself, and if he doesn't, then you can say, "Well, we took a chance, paid the best guy that was available, and gave him two years, during which he did NOTHING." But until that point, you can't just drop QB's like this. We've already been through a lot of them since Warner left.

I also think some of you talk through both sides of your mouth. You say drop the dude, but then after next season your argument is going to be, "Look at how many QB's we've been through! Fire Whis, he can't coach up the QB's!!" even though you've been for cutting each and every one of them. Sometimes QB's just suck and you can't coach them up. I'm talking to you, Leinart, Hall, Anderson. They may have all the tools but no mental toughness--or like Max Hall, totally mentally tough but no physical skills for the NFL. It takes a complete package and we have no way of knowing what Kolb is made of. Kolb may have concussion problems, but few people have a problem bringing in a 36 year old dude after 4 neck surgeries who hasn't even thrown in a year.

I think some people take more joy in pointing fingers and being right than winning football games.

 

[az1965]

Maybe so...but they're going nowhere with Skelton either. Skelton has better pocket presence, but some of his decisions & crazy erratic throws lead me to believe he sux more. Skelton has some skills, but he easily could've thrown 20+ picks last year. I'm giving Kolb 1 more year.

Skelton has not had a true off season or training camp with significant reps... His rookie year, he was the 4th QB behind Leinart, Anderson, and Hall. And, of course, last year there was no off season and shortened training camp.

 

[az1965]

If we don't land Manning, we're going to keep Kolb, and I think to do otherwise is completely irrational.

Knowing Cards, that is what going to happen, most likely.

 

[Mitch]

Skelton has not had a true off season or training camp with significant reps... His rookie year, he was the 4th QB behind Leinart, Anderson, and Hall. And, of course, last year there was no off season and shortened training camp.

Exactly, 65, which makes Skelton's 8-4 with 6 4th quarter wins accomplishments all the more remarkable.

 

[az1965]

Exactly, 65, which makes Skelton's 8-4 with 6 4th quarter wins accomplishments all the more remarkable.

Completely agree.

Obviously, he still has to learn a lot but what he has shown so far, I believe, he as coaches' attention.

The perfect scenario will be Manning coming over for 3-4 years and Skelton learning from the best.

 

[Phrazbit]

If we don't land Manning, we're going to keep Kolb, and I think to do otherwise is completely irrational. First and foremost, you can't just give up on guys that have a bad (horrible) season. Probably the only guy on our team who hasn't had a bad season is Fitz. We wouldn't attract any talent at all if we gave up on dudes that easily--especially considering Kolb came in a shortened season with no prep-work, without seeing a playbook, and without even throwing to Fitz etc. What does that say to other guys thinking of coming here? It sends the wrong message.

I also think it's just bad business. We don't know that he's going to suck again this year. Some people think so, but nobody knows for a fact. Frankly, it will make Whis and Graves look completely idiotic, to make that kind of a move, invest that kind of money, and take a chance on a QB everyone thought was the best available, and then dump him after a shortened year. It gives the impression that they really don't know what they're doing. I know some of you think that anyway, but you can't reinforce it by making such a move in such a short duration. With DA it was acceptable because his signing was a desperation move to begin with and they didn't give him Kolb kind of money.

If you're Whis, you have to give the kid a chance to prove himself, and if he doesn't, then you can say, "Well, we took a chance, paid the best guy that was available, and gave him two years, during which he did NOTHING." But until that point, you can't just drop QB's like this. We've already been through a lot of them since Warner left.

I also think some of you talk through both sides of your mouth. You say drop the dude, but then after next season your argument is going to be, "Look at how many QB's we've been through! Fire Whis, he can't coach up the QB's!!" even though you've been for cutting each and every one of them. Sometimes QB's just suck and you can't coach them up. I'm talking to you, Leinart, Hall, Anderson. They may have all the tools but no mental toughness--or like Max Hall, totally mentally tough but no physical skills for the NFL. It takes a complete package and we have no way of knowing what Kolb is made of. Kolb may have concussion problems, but few people have a problem bringing in a 36 year old dude after 4 neck surgeries who hasn't even thrown in a year. I think some people take more joy in pointing fingers and being right than winning football games.

First, it hasnt been one bad season, its been a bad a career.

Second, what looks stupider, making a mistake and then stubbornly refusing to admit it, or learning from your mistakes and moving on?

Third, I think many would debate the idea that Kolb was their best option, he was only the most expensive and by far the most risky. Kolb has had chances to prove himself. He has proven to be injured easily, is inconsistent and loses a lot of games. This guy is going to be 28 next year, we arnt talking about a 23 year old in his 2nd season.

And fourth, I think many will here will look at Whiz and say he cant EVALUATE QBs, not that he cant coach them up. When you continuously select horrible players you get horrible results.

Also... I was right about Kolb, but I took no joy in being right. I would have preferred to have been wrong.

 

[juza76]

Skelton has not had a true off season or training camp with significant reps... His rookie year, he was the 4th QB behind Leinart, Anderson, and Hall. And, of course, last year there was no off season and shortened training camp.

and with him as a starter 8 won and 4 loss...with the rest of qbs last 2 season the score is 5 won 15 loss,stats dont lie

 

[Darkside]

Exactly, 65, which makes Skelton's 8-4 with 6 4th quarter wins accomplishments all the more remarkable.

I still think Skelton is our QBOTF. Since Warner retired I think he's been our best QB. Which isn't saying much frankly.

 

[JeffGollin]

The whole Kolb-Skelton thing is full of question marks:

- the concussion issue

- lack of an off-season

- upside for growth

- whether what we saw last year from Skelton (& what little we were able to see from Kolb) translates to what we can expect to see this year.

Yet everybody is chiming in with such certainty despite all these unknowns.

The one underrated thing Manning would give us is that he's a known factor; but if we don't sign him, our biggest worry isn't that Kolb sucks or Skelton sucks or both suck but in not knowing what we've got at QB.

 

[Darkside]

The whole Kolb-Skelton thing is full of question marks:

- the concussion issue

- lack of an off-season

- upside for growth

- whether what we saw last year from Skelton (& what little we were able to see from Kolb) translates to what we can expect to see this year.

Yet everybody is chiming in with such certainty despite all these unknowns.

The one underrated thing Manning would give us is that he's a known factor; but if we don't sign him, our biggest worry isn't that Kolb sucks or Skelton sucks or both suck but in not knowing what we've got at QB.

I like Manning over our other options, but I still think there's uncertainty. Forget the arm, assume the nerves are completely healthy and he can throw a laser out route to the sidelines where only his guy can get it. The dude still hasn't played football or thrown a meaningful pass in over a year. He hasn't taken a hit in forever. And believe me, behind our Oline, he's going to get hit alot. Truth is, we have no "knowns" this year at QB no matter what happens.

 

[Stout]

We're definitely in a tight spot at QB. That will change if we land Manning, of course. As much as I'm down on Kolb, though, it would be disastrous for us to cut him with only Skelton and Bartel on the roster. I mean, that would just be stupid.

 

[Duckjake]

We're definitely in a tight spot at QB. That will change if we land Manning, of course. As much as I'm down on Kolb, though, it would be disastrous for us to cut him with only Skelton and Bartel on the roster. I mean, that would just be stupid.

I have to tip my hat to Ray Horton, who I admit I thought was just another Whisenhunt crony from Pittsburgh, for building our Defense to the point where we don't have to just give up on the season if Kolb,Skelton and Bartel are our 3 QBs this fall.

 

[Darkside]

I have to tip my hat to Ray Horton, who I admit I thought was just another Whisenhunt crony from Pittsburgh, for building our Defense to the point where we don't have to just give up on the season if Kolb,Skelton and Bartel are our 3 QBs this fall.

Horton saved our season and saved Ken Whisenhunt. Without Horton, we don't even make a push for Peyton.