dang it the more i see leinart

[cardsfanmd]

Brian St. Pierre = our 2008 starting QB

I think what's holding Warner back is that he needs the same gift you got for your B'day. You could tell they were bothering him on the fumble.

 

[Shane]

It's too early to give up on Leinart.

I think he'll be a fine back-up.

That doesnt compute?

 

[Skkorpion]

Warner had his usual fumble. So what? That's a given with him.

By his second possession, he was back on target. The competition is over. Kurt Warner is our starter. St. Pierre is a good backup.

Matt Leinart's career is still in question.

 

[daytripper]

Warner had his usual fumble. So what? That's a given with him.

By his second possession, he was back on target. The competition is over. Kurt Warner is our starter. St. Pierre is a good backup.

Matt Leinart's career is still in question.

yeah that!

 

[black]

the blame game

What about the 0-line? They didn't pick it up until after half time I guess.

 

[black]

Brian St. Pierre = our 2008 starting QB

He looked good from the stats!

 

[Cheesebeef]

Warner had his usual fumble. So what? That's a given with him.

By his second possession, he was back on target. The competition is over. Kurt Warner is our starter. St. Pierre is a good backup.

Matt Leinart's career is still in question.

agreed.

after really wanting to see Matt get the start, I believe a) he hasn't earned it and b) even though he's young and MAY get better, he's just so putrid looking right now that I think Whiz would be in danger of losing the team if he started him.

I'm fine if Kurt's named the starter if that's where Whiz's head is at but it's not because I think Kurt gives us a shot to win, it's because to be honest, in the long run, with either guy, like Bill Murray said in Meatballs: IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER!

With Matt we could certainly be looking at 4-6 and with Kurt we're looking at 6-8 wins, which to me doesn't mean a hell of a lot. neither one of them gets us into the playoffs or wins a game there IMO.

yuck. and I mean YUCK on Leinart. He made Stan Gelbaugh look good out there tonight and for most of last season.

 

[freebyrd]

when i made my original statements comparing matt to ryan leaf it wasn't really thier abilities or lack there of it was the savior aspect the franchise player.
in fact i'll go out on a limb and predict leinart will have such a horrible year that he wont even be on the roster next year now whether this means another team takes a chance on him or we stratght up cut and pick up a qb in tht second or third round st pierre gets it and all it will take is kurt to get knicked up which i fully expect.

i think the coaching staff has lost confidence in matt and the front office despite a burning desire to win want to do it with mr hollywood throwing 50 touchdown passes and taking us deep into the playoffs

we seem to have a really decent defense at times and our run game is light years ahead of last years effort
hightowers gonna be a beast what were gonna end up with is a caretaker quarterback with modest numbers

a opportunistic defense and a hell of a running game but that wins chapionships just look at thr ravens and trent dilfer
in three years matt will be doing bit parts in some off hollywood production, he doesn't have the makings of ab nfl quarterback....there i said it, and get the crow ready if he takes us deep in the playoffs

cause i'll be happy to be wrong

 

[Gambit]

I was really pulling for Matt. I wanted him to do well, especially given how much we've been hearing about him doing well.

I'd still wish he'd get a chance to start at some point, but as has been said he's been so bad it might hurt Whis with the team to give him the nod over Warner.

 

[moklerman]

After last week's game, it became apparent to me that Warner wasn't auditioning for the job. I think his performance last year was going to stand on it's own merit and his grand total of 13 passes this preseason seems to confirm that idea. Matt has been given a lot of rope and had plenty of opportunities to take a firm hold of the starters job. Tonight's performance and his struggles in KC have really surprised me. I was sure that he would perform, at the very least, adequately during this preseason to preserve the starting job into the opener. The complete implosion tonight is more disturbing in the big picture department. While his stat's in tonight's game were horrid, I think the fact that he essentially crumbled under the pressure of holding the job is a bad sign. Hopefully it will toughen him up and he can take advantage of these tough times but at this point, he's not ready to be the leader of the team. I think if he takes advantage of continuing to learn from Warner he might be ready if/when Warner gets hurt. Assuming Warner is now the starter.

 

[clif]

I think there is some serious overreaction taking place tonight and even I found myself caught up in the moment and felt severly underwhelmed with the quarterback play.

Everyone is down on Matt for a terrible half of football and rightfully so. What I don't get is how anyone can draw the conclusion that Kurt should start based on what they have seen this preaseason. If you want to consider the totality of the situation then you must take into consideration Matt's performance in the New Orleans game as well as his complete performance against KC (Good and Bad).

At the time I recall many posters writing it off as nothing more than preseason dinking and dunking, and yet they are so distraught over tonight. We then moved to KC and how he was terrible the first half but yet when he led a nice td in the second half it was "only against backups."

Kurt on the other hand does not play against NO, then comes in for a solid showing against KC. He comes in tonight and goes like 2-4 with a fumble and now he clearly must be the starter? Hardly.

Before someone comes along and points to last years performance I want to ask one question. If Whiz thought Kurt performed so well last year and has outclassed Matt so bad, why would Whiz go through the trouble and name Matt the starter so early in the year?

 

[moklerman]

why would Whiz go through the trouble and name Matt the starter so early in the year?

My guess is that it has to do with Leinart's psyche. My impression, once I got over being pissed, has been that the whole offseason approach by Whis was very calculated. I think he felt Warner could handle being the 2nd stringer to start camp better than Leinart could. While no declaration was made about the importance of this particular game, Leinart sure looked like he was pressing.

I don't think a decision will be made based on tonight's game only but it does factor in. If you compare what Leinart looked like early last year and tonight, does it really seem like he's progressed?

 

[Shane]

Before someone comes along and points to last years performance I want to ask one question. If Whiz thought Kurt performed so well last year and has outclassed Matt so bad, why would Whiz go through the trouble and name Matt the starter so early in the year?

Because Matt is this franchises future. It could very well sink or swim with him. Kurt is to old. Matt is in year 3 and should be showing what we have by now. No ifs ands or butts. He needs to show it and show it now. If not we need to think about where our QBOF is coming from AGAIN!

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

. If not we need to think about where our QBOF is coming from AGAIN!

two words=Derek Anderson

 

[Shane]

two words=Derek Anderson

Brian st. Pierre = our Derek Anderson.

 

[Chopper0080]

The most disappointing thing to me is that neither one has stepped up and claimed the starting role. I haven't seen any reason for Matt to be the starter yet, however, I haven't seen it from Warner either. Unfortunately, if it is 50-50 the nod should go to Leinart.

If Qb play doesn't improve we won't win more than 6 games.

 

[EuroCard]

ML was very poor last night. KW came in and actually paid heed to the plays coming in from the bench (lesson learned from last year?) and the running game sparked, I got the feeling that the running game was more effective becasue the Raiders had respect for KWs passing prowess even though he was not passing.

The 'fumble' was amusing in its own way, I guess Kurt was not expecting to be on the field so early in the game, but he just stepped right back up as if it had not happened; and that is the difference between these QBs one is letting things get to him, the other is just getting on with it.

Monday will be interesting don't you think?

 

[Totally_Red]

I think there is some serious overreaction taking place tonight and even I found myself caught up in the moment and felt severly underwhelmed with the quarterback play.

Everyone is down on Matt for a terrible half of football and rightfully so. What I don't get is how anyone can draw the conclusion that Kurt should start based on what they have seen this preaseason. If you want to consider the totality of the situation then you must take into consideration Matt's performance in the New Orleans game as well as his complete performance against KC (Good and Bad).

At the time I recall many posters writing it off as nothing more than preseason dinking and dunking, and yet they are so distraught over tonight. We then moved to KC and how he was terrible the first half but yet when he led a nice td in the second half it was "only against backups."

Kurt on the other hand does not play against NO, then comes in for a solid showing against KC. He comes in tonight and goes like 2-4 with a fumble and now he clearly must be the starter? Hardly.

Before someone comes along and points to last years performance I want to ask one question. If Whiz thought Kurt performed so well last year and has outclassed Matt so bad, why would Whiz go through the trouble and name Matt the starter so early in the year?

This WAS Matt's big test and he did not perform. Ask anyone affiliated with the NFL in any way and they will tell you the THIRD preseason game is the one most important in player evaluation, and the closet to the real season. Matt just does not look ready to take the reins of this offense. IMO, the Cardinals can not go into Candlestick Park in two weeks with the Matt Leinart of Saturday night as the starting QB.

If you are grading quarterbacks, you have to give heavier percentages to the THIRD preseason game IMO.

Last nights grades from Totally_Red ..
Matt D-
Kurt C

 

[MrYeahBut]

After last week's game, it became apparent to me that Warner wasn't auditioning for the job. I think his performance last year was going to stand on it's own merit and his grand total of 13 passes this preseason seems to confirm that idea. Matt has been given a lot of rope and had plenty of opportunities to take a firm hold of the starters job. Tonight's performance and his struggles in KC have really surprised me. I was sure that he would perform, at the very least, adequately during this preseason to preserve the starting job into the opener. The complete implosion tonight is more disturbing in the big picture department. While his stat's in tonight's game were horrid, I think the fact that he essentially crumbled under the pressure of holding the job is a bad sign. Hopefully it will toughen him up and he can take advantage of these tough times but at this point, he's not ready to be the leader of the team. I think if he takes advantage of continuing to learn from Warner he might be ready if/when Warner gets hurt. Assuming Warner is now the starter.

I agree

 

[clif]

This WAS Matt's big test and he did not perform. Ask anyone affiliated with the NFL in any way and they will tell you the THIRD preseason game is the one most important in player evaluation, and the closet to the real season. Matt just does not look ready to take the reins of this offense. IMO, the Cardinals can not go into Candlestick Park in two weeks with the Matt Leinart of Saturday night as the starting QB.

If you are grading quarterbacks, you have to give heavier percentages to the THIRD preseason game IMO.

Last nights grades from Totally_Red ..
Matt D-
Kurt C

I agree with you if not for the words of the head coach all week leading up to the game. He said that this game is no more important in the evaluation of the QB position than the rest and he clearly acknowledged that they won't be gameplanning against a team that is known for doing more exotic coverages than most in preseason. It's not an excuse, but it is a factor. It affected both QB's as I was actually shocked at how few chances Kurt got to throw that ball around.

Look I am just as disgusted at the QB play last night as anyone, but if the tie goes to the winner then lienart is already the incumbent.

 

[cardsloco]

I agree with you if not for the words of the head coach all week leading up to the game. He said that this game is no more important in the evaluation of the QB position than the rest and he clearly acknowledged that they won't be gameplanning against a team that is known for doing more exotic coverages than most in preseason. It's not an excuse, but it is a factor. It affected both QB's as I was actually shocked at how few chances Kurt got to throw that ball around.

Look I am just as disgusted at the QB play last night as anyone, but if the tie goes to the winner then lienart is already the incumbent.

That was no tie, Warner was better this week and last. Is it by magic that the run game suddenly came to life when Warner came in? It just seems if the offense as a whole has more confidence when Warner is in there. Leinart has made plays in this pre-season, but he hasn't looked confident since the Saints game. He is staring down his receivers and panicking in the pocket. On the draws Warner sold the pass and then calmly handed off the ball. It is the kind of things that veteran QB's do. I think that Leinart will be fine eventually, he just needs to be more confident with what he is doing. Our team could be drastically different next year, we can't afford to develop someone at the cost of victories. I wanted Leinart to come in and light it up so our QB situation could be settled. He has not looked like a starting NFL QB and has looked less poised then St Pierre(who right now is an awesome three). We can't afford to lose either of the first two games, Leinart doesn't look capable of insuring that.

 

[100%CardsFan]

It just seems if the offense as a whole has more confidence when Warner is in there.

Bingo. And a starting Cardinals Offensive Lineman told me that week 3 last year at a restaurant me and my wife saw him at.

 

[conraddobler]

We got Matt for his decision making not his arm, if the decisions are poor the arm goes from acceptable to noodle quickly.

Guys like Matt have to be excellent at reading defenses because their advantage comes form accuracy and from putting the ball where it needs to be.

Without the ability to do that the defenses will kill him because his arm is not strong enough to punish them even when he makes a less than perfect read.

He's comming undone, I kind of thought this would happen, he's not built for a coach like Whis at least yet.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Leinart looked bad tonight.

Comparing him to Ryan Leaf, and Rex Grossman is ridiculous.

Plus coming from the usuall Leinart bashers who have not made sense in a month it means nothing.

If Warner starts, then GREAT! He deserves it. No questions about that. Especially when Leinart did a lot to lose the job last night.

But to run your young QB you are trying to develop out of town after a one bad game is disgusting.

Try acting like fans, and use some sense for Pete's sake. The guy is still part of the team, and he will be needed during this season in one way or another.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

He's comming undone, I kind of thought this would happen, he's not built for a coach like Whis at least yet.

Without a doubt he is coming undone.

I think everything was so sunshine and gum drops at USC that he is not used to this kind of pressure.

We will see what happens. There are reports from ESPN that Warner is the guy right now. If it is true, you cannot knock that decision. It makes plenty of sense.

Hopefully the team will stick with Matt Leinart and see if he developes, but I am getting ahead of myself. I will wait to hear it from Whiz's mouth.