Dansby on 910

[Arizona's Finest]

Side note. I would what people are going to say about what Steve Nash said in his grantland interview.

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I actually loved that. Good for Steve.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

the face of reality is the guy consistently made HUGE plays in the biggest games and was consistently named a captain of the team and lauded by our biggest leaders on the team. and even if he does chase the money, he always gave everything he had to this team while he was playing for it. Not sure how that reality can be argued.

Listen thinking a player is good and LIKING them are two different thinghs. People say Richard Sherman is the type of player you love if he is on your team and hate if hes against you and I disagree. I would put up with Richard Sherman on the Cardinals but I wouldnt like/love him. Same with Allen Iverson or Manny Ramirez to give other sports analogies. ME ME ME. Thats all they are about. Los just proved it again.

Listen guy has played well on the Cardinals no doubt. I dont agree with the BS he was out best defender last year - go read Somers article on Dansbys numbers before and after Washington came back - trust me Karlos Dansby wasnt the guy OCs were scheming against or keeping them up at night. That would be Campbell, Washington, Abraham later in the year, Peterson and even HB. Dansby was a nice part of a great unit. Nothing more nothing less. I dont begrudge him as a talented guy who played well for my team.

But his mouth? Wanting to be in the Ring of Honor? Mitch said it so well - how much was this guy talking about HIM all last season - Pro Bowl, DPOY, HOF, build me a statue. I mean Christ has anyone had more delusions of granduer? I dont need to read hearts and minds AJ - just have to listen to him talk.

And I keep saying it and no one will listen. Dansby has needed the Cardinals as much through his career as we have needed him. He was Paris Lenon on the Dolphins. Im not sure anyone watched him those 3 years. When he left I said he was going to South Beach to get fat and cash out and i was EXACTLY RIGHT. Then he came back to Az preesumbly humbled and motivated, played his ass off, and cashed out out again. Only to be a complete nobody in CLE again. Watch.

So my problem isnt with Karlos and his taking his money. Its about what he says and does. I dont like him. Never have never will. I put up with him. Hes a football player im glad the game uses him up and dont really care if he is in the Ring of Honor. Hes simeon Rice to me. Good riddance.

 

[football karma]

He played at a pro-bowl level last year. The problem is he's got a hall of fame ego. The disconnect between the two makes him sound like an idiot

You nailed it

That being said-- when Cleveland blows it all up against next year, I wouldn't mind him back.

 

[Mitch]

Listen thinking a player is good and LIKING them are two different thinghs. People say Richard Sherman is the type of player you love if he is on your team and hate if hes against you and I disagree. I would put up with Richard Sherman on the Cardinals but I wouldnt like/love him. Same with Allen Iverson or Manny Ramirez to give other sports analogies. ME ME ME. Thats all they are about. Los just proved it again.

Listen guy has played well on the Cardinals no doubt. I dont agree with the BS he was out best defender last year - go read Somers article on Dansbys numbers before and after Washington came back - trust me Karlos Dansby wasnt the guy OCs were scheming against or keeping them up at night. That would be Campbell, Washington, Abraham later in the year, Peterson and even HB. Dansby was a nice part of a great unit. Nothing more nothing less. I dont begrudge him as a talented guy who played well for my team.

But his mouth? Wanting to be in the Ring of Honor? Mitch said it so well - how much was this guy talking about HIM all last season - Pro Bowl, DPOY, HOF, build me a statue. I mean Christ has anyone had more delusions of granduer? I dont need to read hearts and minds AJ - just have to listen to him talk.

And I keep saying it and no one will listen. Dansby has needed the Cardinals as much through his career as we have needed him. He was Paris Lenon on the Dolphins. Im not sure anyone watched him those 3 years. When he left I said he was going to South Beach to get fat and cash out and i was EXACTLY RIGHT. Then he came back to Az preesumbly humbled and motivated, played his ass off, and cashed out out again. Only to be a complete nobody in CLE again. Watch.

So my problem isnt with Karlos and his taking his money. Its about what he says and does. I dont like him. Never have never will. I put up with him. Hes a football player im glad the game uses him up and dont really care if he is in the Ring of Honor. Hes simeon Rice to me. Good riddance.

I second all of this. This is so well stated.

 

[Darkside]

Around here, the Dansby signing has been met with little fanfare. There was basically a standard one paragraph statement in the paper that he signed and what the terms were.

Where we at on that statue?

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[Chopper0080]

Dansby's production and leadership will be missed, that is undeniable. It isn't that it is impossible to replace that leadership and production, but there is nothing to make anyone sure that the Cardinals will replace it. Top rosters have players step up when holes emerge, we will see what the Cardinals are made of.

 

[nashman]

I'm sorry but this guy is too full of himself... How good was he in the first 4 games without D wash? IMO he didn't start stand ing out till d wash came back and started taking the pressure off of him with his constant solid play. Sorry I'll take d wash over the aging Dansby all day every day!

 

[kerouac9]

I'm sorry but this guy is too full of himself... How good was he in the first 4 games without D wash? IMO he didn't start stand ing out till d wash came back and started taking the pressure off of him with his constant solid play. Sorry I'll take d wash over the aging Dansby all day every day!

I dunno... Pretty good? 38 tackles and 4 passes defensed good?

 

[Jetstream Green]

Guys stop all the justifying to make everyone feel better about losing Dansby, he was the best player on defense last year. Even if Washington helped that come about, Danby was still the guy making the plays. Dansby was our defensive MVP but he is gone and as a Cardinal fan we do have a good core with players as Washington and I hope he gets his head on straight off the field and be the leader that Dansby was. And Peterson is not that good at all, it was just Washington again... he helped Dansby and Abe get free and without the pass rush PP would have been toast lol

 

[nashman]

I don't buy it... Washington freed him up and then Dansby was able to take chances to inflate his numbers, and being the me guy he is he did. All season long he talked himself up and played for a contract, he will again disappear in Cleveland like he did in Miami. He had a solid season but it was the good defenders around him that let him!

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I don't buy it... Washington freed him up and then Dansby was able to take chances to inflate his numbers, and being the me guy he is he did. All season long he talked himself up and played for a contract, he will again disappear in Cleveland like he did in Miami. He had a solid season but it was the good defenders around him that let him!

Where did the misconception that he was bad in Miami come from? He averaged 111 tackles and 6 passes defended per year. HIs last year in Miami, he was a monster, 134 tackles and 9 PD's. It's not his fault Miami's FO is a mess and doesn't know what they're doing.

 

[PDXChris]

Where did the misconception that he was bad in Miami come from? He averaged 111 tackles and 6 passes defended per year. HIs last year in Miami, he was a monster, 134 tackles and 9 PD's. It's not his fault Miami's FO is a mess and doesn't know what they're doing.

Yup and he was playing out of poistion too.

 

[Azlen]

Where did the misconception that he was bad in Miami come from? He averaged 111 tackles and 6 passes defended per year. HIs last year in Miami, he was a monster, 134 tackles and 9 PD's. It's not his fault Miami's FO is a mess and doesn't know what they're doing.

I think Miami cutting him followed by no significant offers from anyone else led to that belief.

 

[Duckjake]

I think Miami cutting him followed by no significant offers from anyone else led to that belief.

John Abraham as well. There were a lot of guys in that situation last off season.
That's why the offers this year have surprised me at how high they have been compared to 2013.

I don't know if Keim and Arians could have done this year what they did last year in free agency.

Are there still a lot of solid players available who can be had on one year deals? I don't follow free agency close enough to know.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Where did the misconception that he was bad in Miami come from? He averaged 111 tackles and 6 passes defended per year. HIs last year in Miami, he was a monster, 134 tackles and 9 PD's. It's not his fault Miami's FO is a mess and doesn't know what they're doing.

From people who actually watched him play. I.e. ME.

He was a complete non factor from a play making perspective playing on medicore to bad defenses. 100 tackes doesnt make you a good LB anymore. You know who else had 100 tackles last year...

Nick Roach, Paul Worrilow, Perry Riley, and DeAndre Levy.

To quote Jurecki..... WHO?

Passes Defensed and 9 of them is why he was a "monster"? How about INTs, Sacks, FF, FR, etc..... you know the type of stuff you would expect from someone you just paid 22 million guranteed to.

If he was such a "monster" in his last year they wouldnt have cut him. Danny Trevathan had 129 tackles and a whole 10 passes defnded last year. Should Denver give him 22m guaranteed? Daryl Smith from Baltimore had 123 tackels last year and 18 (!!!!) passes defensed last year. He just signed for 4 years 16 million on the open market LMAO.

Dansby made enough big plays in Miami over 3 years that you could count on one hand. Oh yeah one other thing. HE WAS THE HIGHEST PAID ILB IN THE GAME.

Go watch the tape he was Houdini out there. You are googling stats to make a point thats just not true. Dansby was a stud in Arizona and has not lived up to they hype anywhere else.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I think Miami cutting him followed by no significant offers from anyone else led to that belief.

 

[football karma]

Where did the misconception that he was bad in Miami come from? He averaged 111 tackles and 6 passes defended per year. HIs last year in Miami, he was a monster, 134 tackles and 9 PD's. It's not his fault Miami's FO is a mess and doesn't know what they're doing.

Part of it is that Dansby was averaging 2 ints a year with the cards, and promptly produced 1 in three seasons with Miami. The rep I read is that they expected more big plays, not a sure and steady tackler

Part of that could be scheme or just randomness.

Interesting that working on a one year prove it type deal, he responds with his best year in the last six or so.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Still love him. Gave up hoping athletes could/would be normal people.

+1

 

[Cheesebeef]

Oh wait what about how great of a leader he is....wish I knew how to make the barf emoji on Tapatalk

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here ya go...this is how great a leader he was:

http://www.azcardinals.com/news-and...-His-Way/51c4398a-626b-48e1-b5b5-6b8ce1f9cd52

"Watching the veteran last season meant enough that Minter reached out to Dansby after Dansby signed with Cleveland, to let him know he appreciated all Dansby had taught him.

“It was a little bit frustrating last year, but at the same time, you couldn’t help but learn,” Minter said. “Karlos treated it like a business. He came to work every day to work, whether it was eating the right things, watching film, doing extra workouts. He was a great role model. With what he left, I feel like I can pick up the slack.”

Dansby piled up the stats last season, but it isn’t the interceptions or tackles or sacks that give Bowles pause with the veteran’s departure. It’s the leadership, not only on the field but in the locker room, formidable even though Dansby did not sport a “C” on his jersey.

“That presence will be missed,” Bowles said.

So, straight from the horses mouths...dude was a leader and a mentor to the young guys.

but hey...Bowles and Minter probably have no clue what they're talking about. They only coached and played with the guy.

 

[Cheesebeef]

You think he took Minter under his wing like other leaders would?...orrrr was he just worried about getting his stats looking forward to leaving AZ and cashing in.

bump.

 

[vinnymac]

Dansby have a fun time up in the Dawg Pond. May you lead the Browns to greatness and get the statue you always wanted.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Enough of all this crap that Dansby was not a GREAT player because he was. Enough of this bunk trying to justify that he was nothing special in Miami because I know a lot of Dolphin fans who where ticked when he left and I know two who thought he was their best defensive player (come on, the Dolphins are player personnel screw ups so releasing does not justify not one dang thing except here are the Dolphins again playing stupid). Dansby is a very very good inside linebacker. Dansby also loves money but when he takes the contract he always gives full effort. It is this simple, Dansby is good and is gone... Minter is here and I will be rooting like crazy for the kid

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Enough of all this crap that Dansby was not a GREAT player because he was. Enough of this bunk trying to justify that he was nothing special in Miami because I know a lot of Dolphin fans who where ticked when he left and I know two who thought he was their best defensive player (come on, the Dolphins are player personnel screw ups so releasing does not justify not one dang thing except here are the Dolphins again playing stupid). Dansby is a very very good inside linebacker. Dansby also loves money but when he takes the contract he always gives full effort. It is this simple, Dansby is good and is gone... Minter is here and I will be rooting like crazy for the kid

Cool bro pass me the phone numbers of your Dolphins fan friends so I can confirm.

No matter how you want to spin spin spin there is no way in hell anyone can justify him being paid the highest paid ILB for 2 years or so with the Dolphins. No way no how. Not team record, not stats, not impact, not defensive ranking not anything. Its all perspective. He was making the vet minimum would his stats and impact be justified. Yup. Maybe even if was making like 5 Million a year. BUT 22 MILLION GUARANTEED?!? People are going to actually try and make arguments to justify that he played at that level? Its obvious giving him that money was a mistake or they wouldnt have cut him after 3 seasons or at least restrucutred him (Something a me first money ***** like Karlos would never do anyway - CTC like my boy Rasheed Wallace would say)

I really dont give a ish about Karlos. I appreciate his time with the Cardinals and he is a very good player, or at least has been when he played for AZ. Thats all that really matters to me as a fan of this team. Different people are motivated differently. He is motivated by A) money b) ego and c) hubris. Thats not what I like in my guys as - SURPRISE - they are destined to burn you eventually and chase paper instead of rings. You can use those guys up as side dishes on a good team but if you build your dinner around them? Good luck. Theres a reason the Cardinals have now made that choice twice.

Can we be done with this topic or nah? We are a better team now then the day the offseason began so its all good.

Everyone excited to make this Leonard Davis Part or we can let the thread die?

 

[Jetstream Green]

Cool bro pass me the phone numbers of your Dolphins fan friends so I can confirm.

No matter how you want to spin spin spin there is no way in hell anyone can justify him being paid the highest paid ILB for 2 years or so with the Dolphins. No way no how. Not team record, not stats, not impact, not defensive ranking not anything. Its all perspective. He was making the vet minimum would his stats and impact be justified. Yup. Maybe even if was making like 5 Million a year. BUT 22 MILLION GUARANTEED?!? People are going to actually try and make arguments to justify that he played at that level? Its obvious giving him that money was a mistake or they wouldnt have cut him after 3 seasons or at least restrucutred him (Something a me first money ***** like Karlos would never do anyway - CTC like my boy Rasheed Wallace would say)

I really dont give a ish about Karlos. I appreciate his time with the Cardinals and he is a very good player, or at least has been when he played for AZ. Thats all that really matters to me as a fan of this team. Different people are motivated differently. He is motivated by A) money b) ego and c) hubris. Thats not what I like in my guys as - SURPRISE - they are destined to burn you eventually and chase paper instead of rings. You can use those guys up as side dishes on a good team but if you build your dinner around them? Good luck. Theres a reason the Cardinals have now made that choice twice.

Can we be done with this topic or nah? We are a better team now then the day the offseason began so its all good.

Everyone excited to make this Leonard Davis Part or we can let the thread die?

I won't be rooting for him either, I'm a Cardinal fan and as a Cardinal fan I'm therefore done with the Dansby thing too... it is all about the mysterious Minter thing now

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Dansby is, and has been, a good player his entire career. He'll likley be good for the Browns too. I wanted the Cards to re-sign him but can't blame them for not going to the dollar amounts that Cleveland was willimg to go.

Free agency often makes players get paid more than their "perceived" worth. Just because he was the highest paid ILB and someone doesn't think he played to that level doesn't make him a bad player. In 2007 Detroit made Corey Redding the highest paid DT in the league. That doesn't mean he was the best DT in the league. BUt was still a good player.