Dansby wants Free Agency

[Redheart]

The good news; Dansby is ours for one more season. Can anyone say window?

As Cardinals fans, we should understand that our "window" to win a Superbowl is now open; it may close very quickly.

Here is to 2009!

 

[40yearfan]

be proactive get it done 2 seasons ago like it should have been, like Fitz should have been done, like Q and Dockett were.

How many NFL teams redo their players contracts when there is still 2 or 3 years left on the original contract? And as far as Dansby is concerned, if you remember correctly, the FO expressed concerns about his desire and health and that was a big reason for using the franchise tag on him last year. Then, this year, the team put the tag on Dansby again thinking a reasonable deal could be done before the deadline. I wonder if they would have used that tag if they didn't think they could get a deal?

It's funny you would use Q and Dockett as examples of signing a player years before his contract expires. That didn't work out so well. With-in a year both players were already clamoring for new contracts.

 

[AZ Native]

Karlos has made it clear he wants to test the waters. This is no one's fault in the Cards's organization. The handwriting has been on the wall for a long time.

 

[Catfish]

Right on 40 yr fan, Dansby brought the initial lack of front-office enthusiasm on by his own failure to show that he was committed to the program. This is why the FO used the tag on him in 07, so that they could see if he was committed to the program before they laid out the big bucks. Once he displayed that, they did negotiate in good faith.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Right on 40 yr fan, Dansby brought the initial lack of front-office enthusiasm on by his own failure to show that he was committed to the program. This is why the FO used the tag on him in 07, so that they could see if he was committed to the program before they laid out the big bucks. Once he displayed that, they did negotiate in good faith.

what are you basing him not being committed to the program on? Are you going back to DG's first year when he made a comment about Dansby? I'd like to see any shred of eveidence for that. Because i've shown in past threads how KD is one of the more durable high level LB's in the game. He's been a playmaker from year 1. In fact, the guy has been a team leader on defense. There was no reason to think he'd be any different the past 2 years while they were waiting to get him done. Graves let Dansby, like Fitz and Warner, get in the position of having all the leverage. Look, if the guy wasn't that valuable,and not with the program, why would they tag him 2 years in a row for close to 20 mill? Why not just let him hit free agency? It's because he is our best defensive player. Plus, everyone is taking it as gospel that they were close to an agreement when he fired his agent. Why is that? Dansby has repeatedly said that was not the case.

 

[40yearfan]

what are you basing him not being committed to the program on? Are you going back to DG's first year when he made a comment about Dansby? I'd like to see any shred of eveidence for that. Because i've shown in past threads how KD is one of the more durable high level LB's in the game. He's been a playmaker from year 1. In fact, the guy has been a team leader on defense. There was no reason to think he'd be any different the past 2 years while they were waiting to get him done. Graves let Dansby, like Fitz and Warner, get in the position of having all the leverage. Look, if the guy wasn't that valuable,and not with the program, why would they tag him 2 years in a row for close to 20 mill? Why not just let him hit free agency? It's because he is our best defensive player. Plus, everyone is taking it as gospel that they were close to an agreement when he fired his agent. Why is that? Dansby has repeatedly said that was not the case.

How soon we forget.

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f4/big-red-huddle-dansby-76228.html?highlight=dansby+2006

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f4/dansby-update-from-trib-76409.html?highlight=dansby+2006

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f4/off-the-leash-76243.html?highlight=dansby+2006

These are all from the start of the 2006-2007 season. It's the reason why he wasn't extended then and the reason why they franchised tagged him for the 2007-2008 season; to see if he could repeat his efforts from the 2006-2007 season.

 

[az1965]

How many NFL teams redo their players contracts when there is still 2 or 3 years left on the original contract? And as far as Dansby is concerned, if you remember correctly, the FO expressed concerns about his desire and health and that was a big reason for using the franchise tag on him last year. Then, this year, the team put the tag on Dansby again thinking a reasonable deal could be done before the deadline. I wonder if they would have used that tag if they didn't think they could get a deal?

It's funny you would use Q and Dockett as examples of signing a player years before his contract expires. That didn't work out so well. With-in a year both players were already clamoring for new contracts.

I agree... FO did the right thing and I hope they again do the right thing by not overpaying Dansby. The only problem I have with the FO is that they have not planned well to make up for losing Dansby next year.

 

[Buckybird]

These are all from the start of the 2006-2007 season. It's the reason why he wasn't extended then and the reason why they franchised tagged him for the 2007-2008 season; to see if he could repeat his efforts from the 2006-2007 season.

So in your opinion how did he play the last 2 seasons? I think he's in the top 5 ILB's in the game and should be paid that way, without the franchise tag.

 

[Buckybird]

what are you basing him not being committed to the program on? Are you going back to DG's first year when he made a comment about Dansby? I'd like to see any shred of eveidence for that. Because i've shown in past threads how KD is one of the more durable high level LB's in the game. He's been a playmaker from year 1. In fact, the guy has been a team leader on defense. There was no reason to think he'd be any different the past 2 years while they were waiting to get him done. Graves let Dansby, like Fitz and Warner, get in the position of having all the leverage. Look, if the guy wasn't that valuable,and not with the program, why would they tag him 2 years in a row for close to 20 mill? Why not just let him hit free agency? It's because he is our best defensive player. Plus, everyone is taking it as gospel that they were close to an agreement when he fired his agent. Why is that? Dansby has repeatedly said that was not the case.

Couldn't have said it any better. Lets replace him with Highsmith, Hobson, Togafau or some other rookie.

 

[40yearfan]

So in your opinion how did he play the last 2 seasons? I think he's in the top 5 ILB's in the game and should be paid that way, without the franchise tag.

How do you know what was offered? Maybe they did offer to make him one of the 5 top players at ILB and he wanted more. It's obvious the FO thought they had a deal worked out until Dansby fired his agent. From that point on, things went to pot. If the numbers being bandied around are correct, I don't blame them for not upping the anti. There's a lot of talent on this team. We aren't going to be able to keep everyone, so we have to start picking and choosing. I'd hate to see Dansby go, but I'm not sure the team can break the bank on a LB'er and keep everyone else happy.

I've come to the conclusion (like a lot of others on this board) that we have to quit worrying about our individual favorite player and start worrying about the team as a whole. It would be great to be able to keep Dansby, but it has to be at our price. If he can get more money elsewhere, more power to him. I'll miss him when he is gone, but I will root just as hard for his replacement.

 

[WisconsinCard]

CD doesn't want to re-sign right now. He is looking at almost 10 mil this year and hope to cash another large check next year with his signing bonus.

Can't blame him I think the mistake was made when we "HAD" to F-tag him this year. Without a viable replacement, he was holding the leverage. He is willing to gamble that he can stay healthy and keep his level of pay high to get that next big deal.

I think he's made out pretty well the last 2 years 18 mil, so if he gets even a 10 mil bonus next year (which is probably low) he will have basicly made 28 for 3 years a lot more then Pace got. But again it's a gamble.

 

[Duckjake]

the FO expressed concerns about his desire and health and that was a big reason for using the franchise tag on him last year.

Based on a Denny Green tirade. Denny Green! A guy YOU said was an idiot and wanted fired halfway through a season. Now you have never said anything negative about the Cards Management that I can remember except that so Green must have really been terrible.

Yet you base your entire Dansby take on Green's irrational opinion from 2005?

It's obvious the FO thought they had a deal worked out until Dansby fired his agent.

Based on what evidence?

 

[Duckjake]

I agree... FO did the right thing and I hope they again do the right thing by not overpaying Dansby. The only problem I have with the FO is that they have not planned well to make up for losing Dansby next year.

Since the Cards have paid Dansby almost $20 million guaranteed the last two seasons what would you consider overpaying him?

 

[Duckjake]

CD doesn't want to re-sign right now. He is looking at almost 10 mil this year and hope to cash another large check next year with his signing bonus.

Can't blame him I think the mistake was made when we "HAD" to F-tag him this year. Without a viable replacement, he was holding the leverage. He is willing to gamble that he can stay healthy and keep his level of pay high to get that next big deal.

I think he's made out pretty well the last 2 years 18 mil, so if he gets even a 10 mil bonus next year (which is probably low) he will have basicly made 28 for 3 years a lot more then Pace got. But again it's a gamble.

Wisconsin you are right on the money. If Dansby gets a $20 million SBonus next year, which is well within reason, and he will have made almost $40 million for 3 years of football. That's awfully darn good for an ILB.

 

[Bobcat]

Normally I would, but I cant in this situation. If the reports were correct that we offered over 40 mill total, and over 20 mill in gauranteed before Dansby fired his agent, then we were never low balling him, thus negotitating the whole time in very good faith. Combine that with Dansbys quotes and I think Graves was always in a no win situation here.

That is a lot of money...!!! I wouldn't sneeze at it just think if he was to get hurt this year he could loose about $11+ Million in G money.

I would love to be in that Dansbys is in "I think Graves was always in a no win situation here."
Stupid is as Stupid Does...!!!

BOBCAT

 

[Sandan]

What has Graves done that is stupid here ?

Dansby dosn't want to sign

 

[40yearfan]

Based on a Denny Green tirade. Denny Green! A guy YOU said was an idiot and wanted fired halfway through a season. Now you have never said anything negative about the Cards Management that I can remember except that so Green must have really been terrible.

Yet you base your entire Dansby take on Green's irrational opinion from 2005?



Based on what evidence?

Duckjake, you didn't read the 3 web-sites I put in my post did you? One of them was Somers talking about the front office's concerns with Dansby. I added two more from this board to show how many people at that time (start of 2006 season) thought there was a problem with Dansby. I'll guarantee you it was more than just Denny Green who had a problem with him.

As far as the front office thinking they had a deal, didn't Urban say that? I'm sure he knows a lot more than either of us do.

 

[Evil Ash]

What has Graves done that is stupid here ?

Dansby dosn't want to sign

He wants to sign but his demands are unrealistic. On ESPN First Take, one of the NFL insiders said that Dansby is seeking over $30 million in guaranteed money.

If that's true, can I have whatever the hell he is smoking?

 

[Duckjake]

Duckjake, you didn't read the 3 web-sites I put in my post did you? One of them was Somers talking about the front office's concerns with Dansby. I added two more from this board to show how many people at that time (start of 2006 season) thought there was a problem with Dansby. I'll guarantee you it was more than just Denny Green who had a problem with him.

As far as the front office thinking they had a deal, didn't Urban say that? I'm sure he knows a lot more than either of us do.

40 every one of those posts and other takes were based on information people got from Denny Green or his people.

Funny though that all those people were calling Dansby out in '06 and when the Cards used KD more as a pass rusher and he registers 8 sacks in only 10 starts. If the front office still wasn't sure what kind of player Dansby would be after that season then they deserve to be called inept.

Now its too late.

 

[Duckjake]

Right on 40 yr fan, Dansby brought the initial lack of front-office enthusiasm on by his own failure to show that he was committed to the program. This is why the FO used the tag on him in 07, so that they could see if he was committed to the program before they laid out the big bucks. Once he displayed that, they did negotiate in good faith.

Dansby wanting to see what he can get as a free agent before signing a long term deal is no different than the Cards wanting to see what they were going to get from Dansby before signing a long term deal. Which is why its ridiculous that people rail on Dansby for not being a loyal "team" guy.

If the Cards still thought that Dansby wasn't committed after the season he had in '06 they obviously made a mistake. It wouldn't be the first an NFL front office has made and it won't be the last.

 

[CaptTurbo]

I hope Dansby has a terrific injury free season and hits the market and break the bank of another team.

 

[Totally_Red]

He wants to sign but his demands are unrealistic. On ESPN First Take, one of the NFL insiders said that Dansby is seeking over $30 million in guaranteed money.

If that's true, can I have whatever the hell he is smoking?

If that is accurate, then we'll be drafting his replacement next spring. He's good but he's not Ray Lewis in his prime.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

How soon we forget.

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f4/big-red-huddle-dansby-76228.html?highlight=dansby+2006

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f4/dansby-update-from-trib-76409.html?highlight=dansby+2006

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f4/off-the-leash-76243.html?highlight=dansby+2006

These are all from the start of the 2006-2007 season. It's the reason why he wasn't extended then and the reason why they franchised tagged him for the 2007-2008 season; to see if he could repeat his efforts from the 2006-2007 season.

those articles didn't prove a thing to me.Dansby plays on Sundays. Wasn't Steve McNair juts being lauded all last week for getting on the field every Sunday while not being to practrice all week? So Dansby had some injury issues in training camp,big deal? Did he miss regular season games? It sounds like DG was trying to take his best player to task in training camp to make him an example for the rest of the team and let them know that he was in charge. When it was go time, KD was right in there making plays like he did every week. I totally disregared the Hardy Brown post.That was pure speculation by someone with no more insight than any of us.

 

[40yearfan]

40 every one of those posts and other takes were based on information people got from Denny Green or his people.

Funny though that all those people were calling Dansby out in '06 and when the Cards used KD more as a pass rusher and he registers 8 sacks in only 10 starts. If the front office still wasn't sure what kind of player Dansby would be after that season then they deserve to be called inept.

Now its too late.

C'mon Duckjake. Where there is smoke there is fire. Quite a few people thought that Dansby was "dogging" it including the FO. We might not like history, but we sure can't change it.

 

[40yearfan]

those articles didn't prove a thing to me.Dansby plays on Sundays. Wasn't Steve McNair juts being lauded all last week for getting on the field every Sunday while not being to practrice all week? So Dansby had some injury issues in training camp,big deal? Did he miss regular season games? It sounds like DG was trying to take his best player to task in training camp to make him an example for the rest of the team and let them know that he was in charge. When it was go time, KD was right in there making plays like he did every week. I totally disregared the Hardy Brown post.That was pure speculation by someone with no more insight than any of us.

Fine Cbus, if it was only Hardy Brown saying it, there is cause for discussion, but read Somers report. Do you think he would write something like that if he didn't believe it had merit to it? At that point in time, the perception was that Dansby wasn't playing up to snuff. Right or wrong, it still gave this team pause to consider giving him a lucrative contract. That's why his contract wasn't extended at that time. As far as I'm concerned, the FO did the right thing AT THAT POINT IN TIME. There were questions that needed to be answered.