Darrell Bevell to interview for Cards OC position

[Veer]

Regarding Cousins, I think he is similar to Rivers. Puts up great stats year after year, but the team around him is just not good enough to have any kind of sustainable success. Hence Cousins not putting them over the top. Not even Brady would put the Redskins over the top. If Cousins stays with the Redskins he will become Rivers 2.0. Just needs a better team.

 

[daves]

A QBR of 95.4.

For the record... Wilson's NFL passer rating was 95.4, but his QBR, ESPN's "Total Quarterback Rating", was 58.1 in 2017 - above average, but it's generally been declining since a career-best 77.2 (with a passer rating of 100.0) in Wilson's rookie year.

...dave

 

[JeffGollin]

So how are future picks valued? The #1 pic is 3000 points & #15 is 1050 (according to Walterfootball.com) how does a future first get valued?

I think,you might be confusing the QBOF term used to describe a high-potential rookie with some sort of official draft status teams and the League use to set value for trades.

I could be wrong but I don't believe a "future value" label is used as part of any team's Trade Value Chart. (Not a bad idea though).

 

[Stout]

Thanks. I hope I haven't been too combative and given anyone the wrong impression.

Not at all. I think we've held a spirited yet friendly debate on this thread

 

[oaken1]

My biggest worry here is that it is a seller's market. Moving in front of the Broncos and Jets is going to be very hard. And if the Broncos and Jets both pass on "our guy," (assuming they don't get Cousins or something), then I'm going to be very concerned about the true talent of that player since I think both of those two teams actually have it worse off at QB than we do (a logjam of guys that aren't even really backups). I can swallow a third and a 5th, maybe next year's 2nd... but I'm really reticent to give up a future 1st/2nd when it could turn out to be a high pick with a lot of value.


I think the talent around Cousins, and an organization that publicly does not trust him, is the reason he hasn't been a winner. He is a top ten QB statistically and I think (as someone who watches a lot of Redskins games), that he is going to be very successful if in a place where they can run the ball and at least field a top 15 defense. I very much think that on the right team, he will lead them deep into the playoffs on a regular basis.

Other franchises have gotten those QBs by being in the right place at the right time. Peyton Manning was the first overall pick. No one traded up for Ben, he fell into the Steelers' laps, and it just happened to be the best QB class of the past 25 years. Point is, those guys don't come from being desperate and trading up.

why are you assuming the broncos and jets scout QB's better than we do? Denver has drafted several QB's in the last five or six years and they are still looking. Had Brock Osweiler or Paxton Lynch worked out they wouldnt have the fifth pick, because their defense is still solid.... If I recall the best QB the jets have drafted in twenty years or so is Mark Sanchez... Sanchez was a good pick, he just got beat up. Prior to that it was Chad Pennington, also very good but very frail.

The bright side for us is that guys like Big Ben(11) and Aaron Rodgers(24) were drafted later in the first round. Rodgers was best in class, but he slid due to the "system" he played in( he was a jeff tedford qb) everyone thought the Niners were going to "screw up" and draft Rodgers #1 overall,... instead they "screwed up" and drafted Alex Smith....

curiously enough the NYG have Davis Webb on their roster who they drafted last year.... Webb was the guy who broke lots of Rodgers records in the "system"... Rodgers sat for a few years behind a solid vet, just like Webb is doing behind Eli....The "sports world" is so enamored with instant gratification from rookie QB's they are forgetting all about Webb... but dont be surprised if the Giants pass on drafting a QB
after the Manning benching fiasco.... the guy who started for Eli was dropped to three on the depth chart and Webb was promoted to backup. The coach may not have gotten himself fired had he used that opportunity to see Webb start.
Webb got hurt in college and lost his job to Patrick Mahommes which is why he transferred to cal...curiously, Webb got the starting job when Baker Mayfield was injured which is why he transferred to Oklahoma the year before.... If one believes Patrick Mahommes and Baker Mayfield can be good NFL QB's there is no reason to think Webb will fail because Webb, Mahommes and Mayfield were all in the mix at TT and considered to be basically equal, no one beat out any other for the starting job.
If the giants draft a QB maybe we should offer them a later round pick for Webb.

anyway, point being... there will be guys there to choose from and sometimes the best of the bunch drops.

 

[WisconsinCard]

the trick on trading in front of denver is to have the deal in place but dont let it get out until its time. Because if they think we are trying to leap frog them and get their guy they will sell the farm to Indy...
Both Denver and DC were fawning over Mayfield today... but denver did actually take Rudolph and his "sore ankle" into a private room for an interview. There were some rumors floating that Rudolph and Allen were the two guys denver likes best. But it is smoke screen season.

The problem is this can't and won't happen. First you can't have a trade in place until you know you're "dude" is there. Secondly the team your trading with will let everyone know what your intentions are to try and drive up the price. This is high stakes twister my friend.

 

[oaken1]

The problem is this can't and won't happen. First you can't have a trade in place until you know you're "dude" is there. Secondly the team your trading with will let everyone know what your intentions are to try and drive up the price. This is high stakes twister my friend.

if thats the case, then just make a trade with Indy for #3 next week and be done with it...if everyone is so convinced cleveland and NY wont trade

 

[WisconsinCard]

if thats the case, then just make a trade with Indy for #3 next week and be done with it...if everyone is so convinced cleveland and NY wont trade

Or IMO the better choice is to wait until draft day to make your move, less chance that your intentions will get out. The real problem is everybody knows what everybody else is doing, or trying to do.