Darrell Bevell to interview for Cards OC position

[Stout]

What's your magic solution for addressing this for the future? We're picking in the middle of the first round with tons of QB desperate teams in front of us.

I'm not the one that needs to come up with a solution, but there are options. Trade high. Wait to see if our QB falls a bit, then trade up that far, etc. This isn't to say not to sign a QB at all--or several of them--before the draft. What ISN'T a magic solution is settling for low-end mediocrity, and trading to do it, all while locking us in for years with said mediocrity.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Hell. I’ll apply for the OC. Pretty simple to call the O next year. DJ left. DJ right. DJ angle route. TD DJ!!

Well at least I hope. We ain’t got nothing else. [emoji481]

Sounds like a Dick Tomey offense, when he had Ronald Veal...hahahaha

Veal Left, Veal Right, Veal Up The Middle, Punt...

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[RugbyMuffin]

Meh, I heard he is a cheater, his father rigs the games.

 

[Solar7]

I'm not the one that needs to come up with a solution, but there are options. Trade high. Wait to see if our QB falls a bit, then trade up that far, etc. This isn't to say not to sign a QB at all--or several of them--before the draft. What ISN'T a magic solution is settling for low-end mediocrity, and trading to do it, all while locking us in for years with said mediocrity.

That's all well and good, but if our QB doesn't fall that far? You're saying you want Keim fired if he doesn't address the future at QB. Well, he doesn't have the luxury of the draft being first. The best you can do is play the odds.

He needs to make a move to make us as successful as possible with the data at hand. If his plan at QB is "we're just gonna wait and see what happens at the draft," and we end up holding the bag because the top QBs are taken and no one wants to trade regardless of the compensation, we're going to be absolutely screwed.

That's why I call it a magic solution. Posters here are just really really hoping we get lucky or someone else messes up tremendously, all while ignoring the history behind this. If 'our guy' is Sam Darnold, but he's also the Browns' guy, we just can't get him. It's over.

 

[Gandhi]

It's questionable about whether or not Flip is available. Some are saying his contract is coming to a close, but the Jets apparently blocked him from interviewing for that spot with the Jets. It's awfully hard to hold out for two weeks when Bevell and McCoy both have other opportunities, and we might not even have a shot.

I don’t think there is anything questionable about it? His contract runs out after the Super Bowl, and thus by then he would be free to sign with any team he chooses. Here is a story that quote Albert Breer about it.

The Eagles blocked him from interviewing with the Jets last year. Shortly thereafter came a report that it was actually the owner of the Eagles, Jeffrey Lurie, himself who had rejected the request by the Jets. Making it even more interesting is the rumor that when DeFilippo signed with Philadelphia in the first place he was promised that the organization would not stand in the way if he got the chance to be promoted to offensive coordinator by another team. Now, their head coach, Doug Pederson, and general manager, Howie Roseman, gave the thumbs up for him to leave, so I’m not sure how much grudge he holds against the Eagles if they were to offer him a contract extension. I am, however, pretty sure that he would rather be an offensive coordinator somewhere.

I really hope that getting DeFilippo was a big selling point for Wilks. It has been said multiple times that Keim has been intrigued with DeFilippo for years.

I would be ecstatic if they signed him. I think a team of head coach Steve Wilks, defensive coordinator Al Holcomb and offensive coordinator John DeFilippo would be very exciting, and I would have absolutely no problem waiting until after the Super Bowl if such a lineup was possible. I have no guess as to who would be the special teams coordinator but I would probably favor a highly experienced guy to sort of balance out the top of the coaching staff.

 

[Solar7]

@Gandhi, my mistake. I had read that info in another thread and took it at face value because I had read another article that said "Rumor has it" that Flip's contract "might" be up.

That does change it for me, but I'm a little concerned about waiting since he has been rumored to some other teams. I thought this was an appealing head coaching job, but if I was Flip, I'd rather join the Giants and leverage that talent along with not having to move all the way across the country. Or some of the other teams.

 

[Mitch]

@Gandhi, my mistake. I had read that info in another thread and took it at face value because I had read another article that said "Rumor has it" that Flip's contract "might" be up.

That does change it for me, but I'm a little concerned about waiting since he has been rumored to some other teams. I thought this was an appealing head coaching job, but if I was Flip, I'd rather join the Giants and leverage that talent along with not having to move all the way across the country. Or some of the other teams.

Yeah, I have felt all along that if the Cardinals wanted JDF they would have to hire him as HC. He might even stay in Philly and hit the HC market again next year.

 

[JeffGollin]

Why do you think our next QB is going to come out of the draft? We are down in the middle of the first round with several QB-hungry teams ahead of us. It will take massive draft and/or trade assets to move up that will cripple our roster development for years to come.

My guess is that MBSK have a deal in place for a vet QB---a trade for Smith? Manning? I know it is too early to legally contact a FA---but there are a couple guys who will be out there who could step in---Cousins, one of the Viking FA, etc

Wilks is taking a huge professional gamble to sign with the Cards---as will any position coach who signs up for a team without a current QB.

Wonder what promises/secrets MBSK have in hand to convince our new HC, to be announced OC, to come here?

You missed the point - it was how Wilks plans to match his talent to his offensive style (or vice versa).

I have no idea how our QB situation will resolve itself except to guess that we'll add at least one veteran FA QB and one or two rookies. Point is: Would we add a big slow guy with a cannon arm to run a mobile offense? Conversely: Would be bring in mobile types to execute a stationary passing offense?

Short answer: Dunno. That's for us to find out - hopefully SW will offer a clue this afternoon.

 

[Stout]

That's all well and good, but if our QB doesn't fall that far? You're saying you want Keim fired if he doesn't address the future at QB. Well, he doesn't have the luxury of the draft being first. The best you can do is play the odds.

He needs to make a move to make us as successful as possible with the data at hand. If his plan at QB is "we're just gonna wait and see what happens at the draft," and we end up holding the bag because the top QBs are taken and no one wants to trade regardless of the compensation, we're going to be absolutely screwed.

That's why I call it a magic solution. Posters here are just really really hoping we get lucky or someone else messes up tremendously, all while ignoring the history behind this. If 'our guy' is Sam Darnold, but he's also the Browns' guy, we just can't get him. It's over.

No, it isn't a magic solution. Sign two vets, one of which you COULD pencil in as a starter, then aggressively go after your QBOF in the draft. You not wanting to spend to trade up in the draft does not equate to it being a magic solution; it's just not a solution you like. If we can't get the QBOF, we'll certainly be in a position to get one next year, because we'll suck. Oh well. It happens. Sometimes you have to 'retool' or 'rebuild' or whatever in order to get better.

The greater sin, IMO, is to toil in mediocrity, and to hold the team back in doing so. Why bother muddling along with has-beens or never-has-beens? Why TRADE, and give up precious commodities you don't want to give up for a QBOF for a never-has-been? That, to me, is extremely counter-intuitive, and will set us back far more than taking a shot at a QBOF and maybe getting a bust.

 

[Solar7]

No, it isn't a magic solution. Sign two vets, one of which you COULD pencil in as a starter, then aggressively go after your QBOF in the draft. You not wanting to spend to trade up in the draft does not equate to it being a magic solution; it's just not a solution you like. If we can't get the QBOF, we'll certainly be in a position to get one next year, because we'll suck. Oh well. It happens. Sometimes you have to 'retool' or 'rebuild' or whatever in order to get better.

The greater sin, IMO, is to toil in mediocrity, and to hold the team back in doing so. Why bother muddling along with has-beens or never-has-beens? Why TRADE, and give up precious commodities you don't want to give up for a QBOF for a never-has-been? That, to me, is extremely counter-intuitive, and will set us back far more than taking a shot at a QBOF and maybe getting a bust.

The reason it is a magic solution is because people keep saying "identify your guy and go get him." I'm all for being slightly aggressive if the right guy is within range. But people keep ignoring, and seem to have no answer for this - what if our guy is already tabbed by one of the four-six QB desperate teams ahead of us? What if he is tabbed by one of the top two teams and we simply can't move up? We can't just say "I want that" and have it. That's where this is a magic solution. If we hadn't played our way to pick 15, it would be a decent strategy, but there are teams just as desperate as us that have to give up less.

That's all not even bringing in the history of this - that no teams in the past 20 years have had true success trading up for a franchise QB (considering the jury still out on Wentz, Goff, and last year's picks). Plus, outside of 2004, there are a whopping two first rounds that have produced a QB that made it to their second contract with the franchise that wasn't the top overall pick (Rodgers and Flacco).

The fastest way to toil in mediocrity is to trade away all of your years of draft capital for a guy statistically likely to burn out, rather than trading minor assets/paying for a known commodity. Then you take a stab at QBs where they fall to you.

 

[Stout]

But if the commodity is mediocre, it makes no sense to trade anything for. Mediocre we can get in FA. You're only willing for the team to be slightly aggressive--like it SHOULD have been last season (learn your lesson, there, Keim?)--but not overly aggressive. I get it, the hesitance, and I'm not saying you're making bad arguments. The problem is, what happens if you NEVER TAKE THE SHOT. Are you willing to put all your chips on Alex Smith and roll with him for the next 3-5 years? I'm sure not. I mean, no frickin' thank you! There comes a time when you (a team) have to at least frickin' TRY to get the next great QBOF.

Here's where trust in your GM and ownership comes in. What if they see Peyton Manning at the top of the draft. Do you throw a bunch of assets and try to trade up for him? Who WOULDN'T give a few firsts and seconds for rookie Peyton Manning? .

Ah, I know, you don't like the risk, or the stats. Well, if we manage to identify and trade up for a great--or even really good--young QB, we might have a shot at greatness and Super Bowls. If not, we've lost...some valuable picks, granted. I'm more than willing for us to take that risk. The Pats have proven that high draft picks aren't necessary to win. They spend them like money to purchase what they identify as valuable assets. I consider a QBOF a highly valuable asset.

If we go your way, we'll be trading less assets to ceiling out at losing in the first round of the playoffs--if the rest of the team can carry the sub-par, game manager QB. Listen, if Smith were a FA in the bargain bin, I'd take him to start in case we DIDN'T get a QBOF. He's not in the bargain bin, and we'd have to pay up to get him, so no thanks.

It's criminal how few QBs Keim has gone after in the draft: One. It's CRIMINAL that we've done so little to bring in young arms, and have forsaken even TRYING to get a QBOF. Why not actually try for once?

 

[JeffGollin]

Maybe just a perception, but the number of QB prospects considered NFL-suitable can't-missers averaged 2 -3 for each of the past 10 or more seasons. (i.e. to reach for an additional QB later on represented an enormous crapshoot and not worth the risk).

This Draft looks different - there appears to be 6 - 8 QB prospects worth a roll of the dice.

Each Draft is unique.

 

[Solar7]

But if the commodity is mediocre, it makes no sense to trade anything for. Mediocre we can get in FA. You're only willing for the team to be slightly aggressive--like it SHOULD have been last season (learn your lesson, there, Keim?)--but not overly aggressive. I get it, the hesitance, and I'm not saying you're making bad arguments. The problem is, what happens if you NEVER TAKE THE SHOT. Are you willing to put all your chips on Alex Smith and roll with him for the next 3-5 years? I'm sure not. I mean, no frickin' thank you! There comes a time when you (a team) have to at least frickin' TRY to get the next great QBOF.

Here's where trust in your GM and ownership comes in. What if they see Peyton Manning at the top of the draft. Do you throw a bunch of assets and try to trade up for him? Who WOULDN'T give a few firsts and seconds for rookie Peyton Manning? .

Ah, I know, you don't like the risk, or the stats. Well, if we manage to identify and trade up for a great--or even really good--young QB, we might have a shot at greatness and Super Bowls. If not, we've lost...some valuable picks, granted. I'm more than willing for us to take that risk. The Pats have proven that high draft picks aren't necessary to win. They spend them like money to purchase what they identify as valuable assets. I consider a QBOF a highly valuable asset.

If we go your way, we'll be trading less assets to ceiling out at losing in the first round of the playoffs--if the rest of the team can carry the sub-par, game manager QB. Listen, if Smith were a FA in the bargain bin, I'd take him to start in case we DIDN'T get a QBOF. He's not in the bargain bin, and we'd have to pay up to get him, so no thanks.

It's criminal how few QBs Keim has gone after in the draft: One. It's CRIMINAL that we've done so little to bring in young arms, and have forsaken even TRYING to get a QBOF. Why not actually try for once?

Well, I'm more an advocate of Cousins than I am of Smith, and Smith's compensation is up in the air. My entire openness to Smith is predicated on us not giving up anything more than a 4th or 5th, if that.

Anyways, you don't panic yourself into taking a shot just because you haven't before. If it's a bad shot, it's a bad shot. By the time the Cardinals need to make moves at QB, the prospects won't have even completed their Pro Days. Remember, plenty of teams were debating whether or not Peyton or Leaf should be the first pick. Regardless, if there is a QB that good, the Browns and Giants sure aren't going to pass on him and trade back to #15. You're trying to "trust" the GM and owner to put their backs to the wall and hope a miracle happens. If the top two teams in this draft weren't QB needy, maybe your argument makes sense.

I agree that Keim should have moved up last year. I agree that he should have taken some fliers on quarterbacks.

The Patriots have success because they don't take unnecessary risk. They use their assets pragmatically. They got enormously lucky in picking the right 5th round QB. They continuously trade back to build future assets, instead of burning them to get shiny new toys.

Trading a 4th for Alex Smith for a 2-3 year rental doesn't prevent us from selecting a young QB, and grooming him. Trading two first rounders and two second rounders to move up for a QB ensures that not only do we have to commit to whoever we picked for 3 years or so, but that if we swing and miss - like most teams have - we have no way to build up the belly of this roster. I'd rather watch us make it to the playoffs and have a puncher's chance with our run game and defense than watch 4 years of the team be completely hopeless and 4-12 with Jake Locker 2.0 starting, and someone else using our top 5 picks.

 

[Matt L]

Reading the Seahawks board during the season a lot of the fans wanted him to be fired. They got their wish.
Will be interesting to see if the Cards hire him how he does.
I just hope we get a damned OL coach worth something and upgrade the OL, particularly at Center.

OL appears to be based on talent more than coaching. Too many teams are trying to coach up late round and UFA players but are not successful.

 

[Gandhi]

I would like to throw another name into the mix.

Rob Chudzinski is currently the offensive coordinator of the Colts but because of the uncertainty there with a new head coach coming in, he could very well be on his way to a new destination.

Chudzinski and Wilks worked together in Carolina for one season.

Chudzinski is a highly experienced coach after 14 years in the NFL and ten years in the college ranks before that. Actually, Chudzinski was the offensive coordinator with the Miami Hurricanes during their magical 2001-season. He has been an offensive coordinator in the NFL for five years and three different teams. Other than that, he has been the head coach of the Browns for one year, and assistant head coach with the Colts for two years. As far as I understand it, he was very involved in making the offensive gameplan with the Colts before he became their offensive coordinator two years ago.

By the way, I should mention that he was the offensive coordinator with the Browns the year where Derek Anderson had his best season by a mile.

Some of the best work by Chudzinski, in my opinion, was when he as the offensive coordinator of the Panthers manage to mentor Cam Newton going from a spread offense athlete in college to a complete NFL quarterback in only a couple of month between the draft and the regular season. It was Chudzinski that brought the zone read to the NFL which made Newton so successful the first two year of his NFL career.

In Indianapolis Andrew Luck had the best season with the Colts under Chudzinskis guidance, but unfortunately Luck has been injured almost all the rest of the time Chudzinski has been with the team. This season they brought in quarterback Jacoby Brissett very shortly before the season began, and Chudzinski still managed to get him ready. Not that Brissett played great but I think he did much better than expected.

I don’t think anyone would confuse Chudzinski for the best offensive coordinator in the NFL, but I would rather have him than Mike McCoy or Darren Bevell.

 

[cardncubfan]

Well, I'm more an advocate of Cousins than I am of Smith, and Smith's compensation is up in the air. My entire openness to Smith is predicated on us not giving up anything more than a 4th or 5th, if that.

Anyways, you don't panic yourself into taking a shot just because you haven't before. If it's a bad shot, it's a bad shot. By the time the Cardinals need to make moves at QB, the prospects won't have even completed their Pro Days. Remember, plenty of teams were debating whether or not Peyton or Leaf should be the first pick. Regardless, if there is a QB that good, the Browns and Giants sure aren't going to pass on him and trade back to #15. You're trying to "trust" the GM and owner to put their backs to the wall and hope a miracle happens. If the top two teams in this draft weren't QB needy, maybe your argument makes sense.

I agree that Keim should have moved up last year. I agree that he should have taken some fliers on quarterbacks.

The Patriots have success because they don't take unnecessary risk. They use their assets pragmatically. They got enormously lucky in picking the right 5th round QB. They continuously trade back to build future assets, instead of burning them to get shiny new toys.

Trading a 4th for Alex Smith for a 2-3 year rental doesn't prevent us from selecting a young QB, and grooming him. Trading two first rounders and two second rounders to move up for a QB ensures that not only do we have to commit to whoever we picked for 3 years or so, but that if we swing and miss - like most teams have - we have no way to build up the belly of this roster. I'd rather watch us make it to the playoffs and have a puncher's chance with our run game and defense than watch 4 years of the team be completely hopeless and 4-12 with Jake Locker 2.0 starting, and someone else using our top 5 picks.

Good post Solar. I was thinking today that CK would be a good cheap QB that we could use as a bridge. Especially if Wilks is big on the running game. He's mobile, has a strong arm, & would be fairly cheap while we groomed a QB from the draft. He would definitely be cheaper than KC or AS. Media circus though would be unbearable for a while. Just a thought.

 

[Solar7]

Good post Solar. I was thinking today that CK would be a good cheap QB that we could use as a bridge. Especially if Wilks is big on the running game. He's mobile, has a strong arm, & would be fairly cheap while we groomed a QB from the draft. He would definitely be cheaper than KC or AS. Media circus though would be unbearable for a while. Just a thought.

I didn't mention Kaepernick, but I think you were just continuing your own separate point. I don't want him on the team, all politics aside.

 

[imaCafan]

I thought CK was for Case Keenum

 

[Solar7]

I thought CK was for Case Keenum

I could have seen that until the "media circus" was mentioned.

 

[Stout]

Actually, rolling the dice and trading all the way up in the draft doesn't commit you to him if he flames out early. Yes, you'll have lost the picks traded, but the contract is no longer an albatross.

 

[MigratingOsprey]

Bevell is not a great hire .... Very mediocre

Like most OCs he scripts early plays..... The hawks went almost 2 seasons without scoring a TD on their opening drive. Over a 5 year stretch they never finished better than 16th in 1st Q scoring, only being better than 20th 2x

 

[oaken1]

Actually, rolling the dice and trading all the way up in the draft doesn't commit you to him if he flames out early. Yes, you'll have lost the picks traded, but the contract is no longer an albatross.

right...and in regards to future picks used,...it usually takes two or three seasons to be sure a guy is a bust anyway. So if you have to you can do it again, but you may not have to because situations are always changing in the NFL

 

[Solar7]

Actually, rolling the dice and trading all the way up in the draft doesn't commit you to him if he flames out early. Yes, you'll have lost the picks traded, but the contract is no longer an albatross.

No, it's not a salary problem since 2010, but it's still a situation where teams are obligated to give time to the player. Since then, take a look at the QBs drafted and realize they ate up 3-4 years of these teams' expectations at QB.

https://pro32.ap.org/article/list-qbs-selected-first-round-nfl-draft-2000

 

[Solar7]

right...and in regards to future picks used,...it usually takes two or three seasons to be sure a guy is a bust anyway. So if you have to you can do it again, but you may not have to because situations are always changing in the NFL

Redskins, Redskins, Redskins, is all I can say. That team is devoid of talent because they didn't have decent picks, and wasted three years on a bust QB.

 

[Jetstream Green]

That's all well and good, but if our QB doesn't fall that far? You're saying you want Keim fired if he doesn't address the future at QB. Well, he doesn't have the luxury of the draft being first. The best you can do is play the odds.

He needs to make a move to make us as successful as possible with the data at hand. If his plan at QB is "we're just gonna wait and see what happens at the draft," and we end up holding the bag because the top QBs are taken and no one wants to trade regardless of the compensation, we're going to be absolutely screwed.

That's why I call it a magic solution. Posters here are just really really hoping we get lucky or someone else messes up tremendously, all while ignoring the history behind this. If 'our guy' is Sam Darnold, but he's also the Browns' guy, we just can't get him. It's over.

The problem with your perception is you really are not considering the draft to rectify our QB of the future dilemma. You like to win now, but then must understand how winning affects the use of the draft. Somehow with our talent and guts finished well enough to be at 15, and that is exactly how I wish a sucky year for the Cardinals to be now and not a top pick in the draft. There are reasons why teams let guys go at the most important position. We have been spoiled with Warner and Palmer making us think this is the solution because in doing so we admit we suck at the draft. Well, good teams which seldom lose faced with this position at QB will move up, because they are great at scouting and know their winning ways make them required to deal and move up. They will move up because they know being the Cardinals and waiting for other's misfits usually is not the solution.

You have to have faith in the scouts and front office, and if so understand they are dealing with teams who are perpetually upfront in the draft because their front offices are not good which is reflected in their records. Keim has a job, to be a bad ass and screw with these 'lesser' teams with a lesser front office and get our young QB in trade talks. If Keim cannot do this, then he should not be our GM right now but I do not think he really tried to a QB in the draft yet, and probably because Arians did not give his full support and was comfortable with what he had in my opinion. Absolutely, we need a vet to prepare for the draft not going our way but Cousins to me is an expensive bridge for a destination which he is not