Dbacks vs. Rockies series thread

[The Commish]

I'm getting sick of Tracy, his mental lapses cost us nearly every series

Hence my thread about it. I won't completely throw C-Trace under the bus for this one, but it doesn't exactly set a good tone for a game. That's now 20 errors on the year.

 

[The Commish]

I also noticed Webb had 5 walks today. Very uncharacteristic of him. He's throwing the Cy Young away.

 

[devilfan02]

I hope Counsell gets his platoon time at 3rd and not 2nd or SS. With Tracy striking out as much as he is and making SO many errors he'll be best sitting more often than Drew or Hudson

 

[Nasser22]

I just saw the box score...sad. Webb better get some good starts now or he'll lose his Cy Young and the D-Backs will lose their chance at the playoffs. I'd like to see Counsell at 3rd and Tracy at 1st where he isn't too bad at.

 

[devilfan02]

I just saw the box score...sad. Webb better get some good starts now or he'll lose his Cy Young and the D-Backs will lose their chance at the playoffs. I'd like to see Counsell at 3rd and Tracy at 1st where he isn't too bad at.

Tracy's horrendous at every single position in the field. He's def not my idea of who would take away from CoJacks development at 1B. He better learn how to play, at the very least, adequate defense at 3rd or else he's gonna be lost in the mix. His pathetic strikeout rate isn't helping matters either.

 

[Phxchris1989]

Well, I didn't see the game, but I did see the highlights on Baseball tonight. Webb hasn't been hiself since the elbow incident a week or so ago, that's not good.

 

[devilfan02]

Well, I didn't see the game, but I did see the highlights on Baseball tonight. Webb hasn't been hiself since the elbow incident a week or so ago, that's not good.

He looked fine in his first start back against the Marlins-

5IP, 2ER, 4K's

He had a bad start today, simple as that. He's human

 

[ASUCHRIS]

He looked fine in his first start back against the Marlins-

5IP, 2ER, 4K's

He had a bad start today, simple as that. He's human

He didn't look fine against the Marlins, and said so himself. Before the injury, the guy was a lock for at least 7 IP, and 3 or less runs a game. They could really use him for this run to the playoffs.

 

[devilfan02]

Coming off an elbow scare and a week off I would say his first outing back was fine. He did give up under 3 ER and maybe part of the problem is he pitches 7 innings or more nearly every time out. You can say he's a finesse pitcher all you want but the amount of pitches he's thrown so far this season is staggering (and will result in injury). The guy will struggle every once in a while and I have complete faith that he will turn it around.

 

[Phxchris1989]

He looked fine in his first start back against the Marlins-

5IP, 2ER, 4K's

He had a bad start today, simple as that. He's human

I don't think our offence having to bail him out -against the Marlins- is a good start. But I still have faith in the team, hopefully nothing major. As for today, it was probably just pitching at Coors.

 

[devilfan02]

I don't think our offence having to bail him out -against the Marlins- is a good start. But I still have faith in the team, hopefully nothing major. As for today, it was probably just pitching at Coors.

How did he get "bailed out by our offense?" He gave up 2 runs in 5 innings. While he may have looked rusty he did enough to get the win. If we can't score more than 2 runs, we don't deserve to win

 

[Phxchris1989]

How did he get "bailed out by our offense?" He gave up 2 runs in 5 innings. While he may have looked rusty he did enough to get the win. If we can't score more than 2 runs, we don't deserve to win

He got bailed out by a 6 run 4th inning last time. Anyways,like I said earlier, hopefully this wont be anything major.

Also, I'm watching the replays of the game on Dbacks Live, the umpiring was terrible. There was no batters interference on tracy, and I'm pretty sure Jackson was safe at home on the sac fly.

 

[devilfan02]

He got bailed out by a 6 run 4th inning last time. Anyways,like I said earlier, hopefully this wont be anything major.

Also, I'm watching the replays of the game on Dbacks Live, the umpiring was terrible. There was no batters interference on tracy, and I'm pretty sure Jackson was safe at home on the sac fly.

True but either way he gave up only 2 earned runs so he did his job whether the offense was there or not. BTW, the Marlins are no push over. Their 35-27 since June 10th and are only 4 games back of us in the wildcard

 

[coyoteshockeyfan]

You can say he's a finesse pitcher all you want but the amount of pitches he's thrown so far this season is staggering (and will result in injury).

No it isnt, he is one of the leaders in pitches per inning. He may throw 7 innings a night (usually), but still has a low pitch count most of the time.

 

[Ryanwb]

Coming off an elbow scare and a week off I would say his first outing back was fine. He did give up under 3 ER and maybe part of the problem is he pitches 7 innings or more nearly every time out. You can say he's a finesse pitcher all you want but the amount of pitches he's thrown so far this season is staggering (and will result in injury). The guy will struggle every once in a while and I have complete faith that he will turn it around.

dude... Where are you getting this? He's a groundball pitcher and is averaging 98.0 pitches per start. I believe the announcers said he has only gone over 110 pitches twice this season. I don't know where you're pulling your stats from

 

[BC867]

He had a bad start today, simple as that. He's human

As a 'groundball' pitcher, Webb needs a good fielding infield behind him. Look at the difference between his record last year and this year (with Hudson at 2B and Counsell, then Drew, at SS).

Tracy's throwing error in the 1st, leading to two runs, started Brandon's downhill performance in his last start.

With Tracy's poor fielding and high strikeout rate, I'd like to see him moved during the off-season.

I know that Melvin's trying to turn him into a power hitter did him in, just as Showalter did with Travis Lee and Brenley did with every line drive hitter he put at 4th or 5th in the lineup . . . but it did turn Chad from a potential batting champion into a strikeout king.

 

[Nasser22]

Tracy's horrendous at every single position in the field. He's def not my idea of who would take away from CoJacks development at 1B. He better learn how to play, at the very least, adequate defense at 3rd or else he's gonna be lost in the mix. His pathetic strikeout rate isn't helping matters either.

He had like 5 errors in all of last season playing 1st and in the outfield. I rarely saw hime make mistakes at 1B. He's not a gold glover but he's not a bad 1st baseman at all.

 

[devilfan02]

He had 4 errors in 80 games (653 innings) last year a 1B which isn't good at all. Sure, it's leaps and bounds better then his 21 errors so far at 3rd this year but come on. CoJack has 6 errors in 92 games (772 innings) this year just to give you an idea (and we all know how bad CoJack has looked at times this year at 1B). First base is by far and away the infield position where there are very few errors (which is why players without a position end up there, CoJack for example).

In RF he was below average.

Bottom line is that he wouldn't be an upgrade to CoJack at 1B. Jackson needs time develop and Tracy taking away from that would be extremely stupid. We have a very crowded outfield and there is no way you can take away from the development of Quentin as well. As I said before, my biggest worry with Tracy is that he'll become lost in the mix. If he continues to hack away at the plate there's no doubt he will be. At some point he will have to go back the plate discipline that got him to where he was 2-3 months ago. I'm sick of hearing all the crap that Melvin has told him to change his approach (and I'm not a Melvin fan either). I'm sure he's somewhat at fault for tampering with him but after you struggle for a certain amount of time you gotta go back to your bread and butter- In Tracy's case, contact and line drives. Chad has been quoted as saying that if he's needed as a HR hitter he can do it but will bat .250. Well, he's batting around .270 and his power numbers are nowhere to be found. Tracy has to realize that he's not a power hitter and the coaches have to make sure he focuses on making good, solid contact at the plate. As for his defense, most of it's mental. Maybe Melvin should swallow his pride and have Matt Williams give him some tips. Grace should do the same for CoJack

As for my Webb assesment of his pitch count this year- I didn't mean for it to come out the way it did. I was referring more to the fact that it seems like his overall number of pitches thrown this season are a lot more then in seasons past (up to this point). I may be wrong but sorry for the mix up

 

[Nasser22]

I just checked on Yahoo and Tracy had 3 errors in 80 games at 1st last year and CoJack has 6 in 93 right now. Definetly an upgrade and right there with a lot of the other 1st baseman I'm looking up.