De'Aaron Fox

[Russ Smith]

There is no hypocrisy.

The vast majority of the kids lives and careers would be significantly improved by installing this rule for the fact they would enter the NBA much better prepared, and thus have a better chance of making a career in the NBA. Rather than most who fall off and have to work at Rent-A-Car.

Whats Lebron James suppose to prove? That 1% of kids will go on to be superstars?

May as well say Aids isnt a big deal because Magic Johnson is doing fine.

It depends. Just yesterday there was an "unnamed NBA GM" who opined that Hamidou Diallo should probably stay in the draft, not because he's ready but "because if goes to school he might get exposed and wind up drafted lower than he would be this year on sheer talent."

The problem with the current system among others is that the longer you're in college the lower your draft stock gets because people wonder what the heck is that guy still doing in college.

the current system is set up for the most part to RECRUIT kids, not coach them so kids figure out quickly they develop more outside of college they can play year round don't have limits on time, pro trainers etc.

Calipari is famous for putting guys in the NBA but every year his guys come in and you read stories about how unprepared they are. Wall didn't know how to run an NBA offense, Anthony Davis had no post moves, they had to teach Cousins a drop step. Last year it was Skal who had NBA scouts absolutely stunned at how unprepared he was when he showed up at the combine. But Calipari has UK setup to get the most talent and you do that now by hiring recruiters not coaches.

As a fan I want Anigbogu and Leaf to stay at UCLA and play another year, Leaf get stronger Anigbogu get more polished. But in all honesty both would have been crazy to stay they get paid now, and they're going to get year round coaching now they will be better in a year not playing at all in the NBA than they would be after another year at UCLA.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Do you use 1% examples to justify every inane thought?

You have been issued a warning for this. Please do not use this sort of abrasive and insulting behavior in this forum.

 

[Russ Smith]

It depends. Just yesterday there was an "unnamed NBA GM" who opined that Hamidou Diallo should probably stay in the draft, not because he's ready but "because if goes to school he might get exposed and wind up drafted lower than he would be this year on sheer talent."

The problem with the current system among others is that the longer you're in college the lower your draft stock gets because people wonder what the heck is that guy still doing in college.

the current system is set up for the most part to RECRUIT kids, not coach them so kids figure out quickly they develop more outside of college they can play year round don't have limits on time, pro trainers etc.

Calipari is famous for putting guys in the NBA but every year his guys come in and you read stories about how unprepared they are. Wall didn't know how to run an NBA offense, Anthony Davis had no post moves, they had to teach Cousins a drop step. Last year it was Skal who had NBA scouts absolutely stunned at how unprepared he was when he showed up at the combine. But Calipari has UK setup to get the most talent and you do that now by hiring recruiters not coaches.

As a fan I want Anigbogu and Leaf to stay at UCLA and play another year, Leaf get stronger Anigbogu get more polished. But in all honesty both would have been crazy to stay they get paid now, and they're going to get year round coaching now they will be better in a year not playing at all in the NBA than they would be after another year at UCLA.

And to reply to my own post another example now is apparently Aaron Holiday who it sounds like will stay in the draft even though he's being told he won't get drafted. He has 2 brothers in the NBA so he doesn't need to go pro for money. He's on track to graduate in 3 years so he'd be leaving school one year away from a degree.

But with the new D League contract, he's assuming he'll get one so why go back to school and prove you can play PG, while competing with Jaylen Hands for PT, when you can turn pro and hopefully get to prove it in the D League with NBA coaching?

Sucks for UCLA and college basketball but it's the new reality. Arizona is losing Comanche who's nowhere near as good as Holiday but he has the same thing, why stay in school when I can get a spot in the D league and get paid.

that is the downside of the new Gatorade deal with the D League, the salary potential is now enough it's pushing some kids to go pro who might not otherwise leave.

 

[GatorAZ]

And to reply to my own post another example now is apparently Aaron Holiday who it sounds like will stay in the draft even though he's being told he won't get drafted. He has 2 brothers in the NBA so he doesn't need to go pro for money. He's on track to graduate in 3 years so he'd be leaving school one year away from a degree.

But with the new D League contract, he's assuming he'll get one so why go back to school and prove you can play PG, while competing with Jaylen Hands for PT, when you can turn pro and hopefully get to prove it in the D League with NBA coaching?

Sucks for UCLA and college basketball but it's the new reality. Arizona is losing Comanche who's nowhere near as good as Holiday but he has the same thing, why stay in school when I can get a spot in the D league and get paid.

that is the downside of the new Gatorade deal with the D League, the salary potential is now enough it's pushing some kids to go pro who might not otherwise leave.

I don't see why your family having money is a reason to go when you can only help yourself by returning which Holiday would have. It's different with Comanche b/c it's not a guarantee he improves. I'm interested to see what Welsh does with everyone leaving. He's not the type who you run your offense through.

College ball is going down the drain pretty fast. There should be a rule like baseball where you can either come out after HS or stay a minimum two years in college. If they go overseas it's two years removed from HS before being draft eligible.

 

[Carolinacacti]

So if we don't get #1 pick you want to trade down? No interest in Jackson?


I'd take Fox at #4

Jackson can't hit a free throw. I would trade down and target Jordan Bell. Get some more picks next year or a good player.

 

[Russ Smith]

I don't see why your family having money is a reason to go when you can only help yourself by returning which Holiday would have. It's different with Comanche b/c it's not a guarantee he improves. I'm interested to see what Welsh does with everyone leaving. He's not the type who you run your offense through.

College ball is going down the drain pretty fast. There should be a rule like baseball where you can either come out after HS or stay a minimum two years in college. If they go overseas it's two years removed from HS before being draft eligible.

I meant Holiday has no need to go. The family already has 2 sons in the NBA so he's not like Jordan Adams who went pro because his mom was seriously ill and they needed money, his family is fine. he's a year away from graduating and likely undrafted so the only reason to go pro is he wants to go pro. UCLA fans are blaming Alford but what can he do, kid will start and play big minutes and be the man(along with Welsh), he can graduate, and presumably could get drafted next year but if you want to go you go. His family has the money for him to go back and graduate later if he doesn't make it in the pros.

Welsh is being told he could get drafted, not guaranteed but could. He too is on schedule to graduate. I think he's coming back but who knows.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Jackson can't hit a free throw. I would trade down and target Jordan Bell. Get some more picks next year or a good player.

Wow that's an extreme position. Get #1 pick or trade down for Bell and additional picks. And by "extreme" I mean "awful." This is a very highly rated draft at the top. Watching the combine today they were saying how fultz and ball are no brainers and that there are at least 6 future all-stars which isn't something you hear about many drafts. And you want to essentially punt on anyone not #1?

 

[Carolinacacti]

Wow that's an extreme position. Get #1 pick or trade down for Bell and additional picks. And by "extreme" I mean "awful." This is a very highly rated draft at the top. Watching the combine today they were saying how fultz and ball are no brainers and that there are at least 6 future all-stars which isn't something you hear about many drafts. And you want to essentially punt on anyone not #1?

We will have to talk in five years about these six future all-stars. I bet Bell will be the all-star;

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

We will have to talk in five years about these six future all-stars. I bet Bell will be the all-star;

I'll admit that I'd given thought to bell perhaps being a Ben Wallace and then was surprised to hear one of the talking heads make that comparison today. But I don't think bell has the frame to hold position in the paint like Wallace did. And I'm not certain Wallace would be as valuable in today's NBA as he was back in the day. Oh and bell measured 6'7 1/2 in shoes. That doesn't bode well for a power player who doesn't have a wide base.

 

[Carolinacacti]

Bell is not a power player he is a leaper and runner. The kind of player in today's game.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Bell is not a power player he is a leaper and runner. The kind of player in today's game.

Without an outside shot. So where does a 6'8 runner leaped without a shot slot into a team?

 

[Carolinacacti]

Probably shoots as well as Bender or Jackson. He is a rim protector

 

[overseascardfan]

Actually the rule is an NBA rule not a college rule and the NBA won't change it anytime soon because they want a free year to evaluate kids but they don't want to wait 3 years for the really good ones.

I think the one and done is harming college but I don't think it's harming the NBA.

The NBA has the same problem most of basketball has IMO, the "grassroots" system sucks. AAU ball is terrible basketball, they play so much they teach kids to not hate losing. Most of these kids now consider AAU ball vastly more important than HS ball so we get worse fundamentals every year.

I just watched the Netflix documentary "At All Costs" and it is an eye opener. I mean I knew AAU was a business but the mindset of some parents is just crazy. So the documentary focused on PJC and Gabe York (UA exposure) and their recruiting stories through AAU ball and PJC's dad is a character but just highlights your post Russ that parents would rather hold their kids out of HS basketball and focus on AAU summer leagues to get their kids the exposure they need. A must watch for recruiting geeks like myself.

 

[Russ Smith]

I just watched the Netflix documentary "At All Costs" and it is an eye opener. I mean I knew AAU was a business but the mindset of some parents is just crazy. So the documentary focused on PJC and Gabe York (UA exposure) and their recruiting stories through AAU ball and PJC's dad is a character but just highlights your post Russ that parents would rather hold their kids out of HS basketball and focus on AAU summer leagues to get their kids the exposure they need. A must watch for recruiting geeks like myself.

I know one of the guys involved in making that film and they actually cut stuff that was pretty interesting too. PJC wanted to commit to UCLA when he was between his freshman and soph year, his dad didn't let him because Howland was also trying to get McLaughlin to commit and PJC's dad said we're not sharing anything we're either your priority or nothing.

Ironically UCLA didnt' get either of them, but there were lots of rumors during PJC's senior year that the dad felt UA was recruiting over him and they were "looking around" to decommit but stuck it out and went to UA. And it's widely assumed one of the reasons he got caught cheating multiple times in HS is he was under so much pressure to get good grades because his older brother did, that the demands of his basketball schedule hurt him and he took shortcuts to try and keep up.

Nobody comes off very good in that movie there's some stuff with Howland where he just looks completely out of his element. You see York's AAU coach admitting to others that his job is to recruit talent, and try to funnel it to Adidas, and "we want the kid to pick the school we want, without him realizing that's why he picked them."

 

[Ronin]

ProBasketballTalk‏@nbcprobballtalk 12s13 seconds ago
Report: 76ers, with No. 3 pick in NBA draft, like PGs De’Aaron Fox and Dennis Smith Jr.
http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/05/26...aft-like-pgs-deaaron-fox-and-dennis-smith-jr/

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[pokerface]

That would be great if Philly took Fox or Smith. The only thing I'm not digging is if they settled on Smith and traded down. Then we might lose Jackson to some other team.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I'll admit that I'd given thought to bell perhaps being a Ben Wallace and then was surprised to hear one of the talking heads make that comparison today. But I don't think bell has the frame to hold position in the paint like Wallace did. And I'm not certain Wallace would be as valuable in today's NBA as he was back in the day. Oh and bell measured 6'7 1/2 in shoes. That doesn't bode well for a power player who doesn't have a wide base.

He measure 6-8.5 in shoes at the combine. He also had a 7 foot wingspan, and a 38 inch vert. He also dominated play at the combine. Where do you get your numbers?
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jordan-Bell-70316/

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

He measure 6-8.5 in shoes at the combine. He also had a 7 foot wingspan, and a 38 inch vert. He also dominated play at the combine. Where do you get your numbers?
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jordan-Bell-70316/

I had one number. I thought I got it from the combine. So one inch off. Doesn't change my perception that he likely doesn't have the base to hold position. Sheesh just look at him being muscled . . . twice . . . by UNC when a rebound was CRUCIAL for oregon's chance to move on in final four. That was an aha moment for me with regards to bell. And I like him!

 

[devilalum]

All I keep thinking when I watch these guys is Chriss is so much better than any of them.


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[Ronin]

Jordan Schultz‏Verified account@Schultz_Report
Per source, there are multiple teams in the lottery who feel De'Aaron Fox - not Fultz or Ball - is the top PG in the draft. Continues 2 rise

 

[pokerface]

Jordan Schultz‏Verified account@Schultz_Report
Per source, there are multiple teams in the lottery who feel De'Aaron Fox - not Fultz or Ball - is the top PG in the draft. Continues 2 rise

Wow...we are virtually guaranteed Fox or Jackson the way things are shaping up. There is even a shot at Ball maybe...


We aren't sitting too bad with #4 me thinks

 

[Mainstreet]

Jordan Schultz‏Verified account@Schultz_Report
Per source, there are multiple teams in the lottery who feel De'Aaron Fox - not Fultz or Ball - is the top PG in the draft. Continues 2 rise

I don't know whether to be happy or sad.

I've been on the Fox bandwagon for a long time but it pushes another player down to the Suns if true.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Jordan Schultz‏Verified account@Schultz_Report
Per source, there are multiple teams in the lottery who don't have a shot at Fultz or Ball that have talked themselves into feeling that De'Aaron Fox - not Fultz or Ball - is the top PG in the draft. Continues 2 rise

Fixed that for you.

 

[Finito]

I've said from day 1 I wouldn't be surprised if Fox had a better career than Ball or Fultz

 

[Mainstreet]

I've said from day 1 I wouldn't be surprised if Fox had a better career than Ball or Fultz

We are in agreement.