Dee Brown released...

[Rab]

Agreed. He should be good for 5 to 10 minutes a game. Plus, from what I remember of him, he was a serviceable player. We don't need him to be Nash. Just play good enough to give him a break every now and then.

I'm not sure he's serviceable right now. He's played in 4 games this year, which I'm sure was garbage time. I think maybe in time he'll be serviceable, but I don't think he's really ready to play if he was called on say if Nash went down again. I haven't seen him play, but reading stuff from Heat fans, it didn't sound very encouraging. Obviously options are limited, so maybe, but I'm not sure he could do much of anything if called on right now.

 

[Maligzar]

Oh Jesus Chrysler - can we just get away from this line of thinking? Who in the hell do you want them to bring in exactly if they were willing to take on the money?

This refrain is getting about as old as Methusala. If you are going to say that at least say it when its actually relevant.

Like when they sell another draft pick for cash again

It's just a reminder that we're not going to be doing anything major. What I wanted them to do is irrelevant. I wanted them to not dismantle our bench 2 years back. I wanted them to make a serious commitment to the run and gun system, instead of tweaking it constantly.

There is no one that they can bring in. No one that they can trade for (without blowing up the team). I would have liked them to bring in someone that could learn our system (whatever that is now) and be serviceable in the playoffs. Instead, the Suns are again playing the money game. They want to save some money, instead of developing someone (ANYONE) into some sort of serviceable, 5-10 minutes a game Nash backup.

That's not going to happen with 10-day contract guys.

 

[joshstmarie]

It's just a reminder that we're not going to be doing anything major.

really? Im kinda of visioning something exactly opposite to that. if shaq continues to put up the numbers he as been and being that there are no back to backs in the playoffs, If our team can get healthy and gel a bit more i think we are going to be a force to be reckoned with.

 

[Maligzar]

really? Im kinda of visioning something exactly opposite to that. if shaq continues to put up the numbers he as been and being that there are no back to backs in the playoffs, If our team can get healthy and gel a bit more i think we are going to be a force to be reckoned with.

Come on friend, you're not going to allow a soft schedule full of weak centers fool you into believing that we can make it out of the second round of the playoffs are you?

I'm trying to be realistic in my bitterness. We'll make the playoffs, we'll win round 1 (depending on matchups of course) but beyond that it's not going to happen. The reason I'm so bitter is that we dumped a very fun, very entertaining system and aren't going to get any further. It's my personal opinion of course; but I'll take a 2nd round exit "7 seconds or less" style over a 2nd round exit "Kerr Style" any day of the week. At least with the 7 seconds system you felt like we had some sort of chance.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

really? Im kinda of visioning something exactly opposite to that. if shaq continues to put up the numbers he as been and being that there are no back to backs in the playoffs, If our team can get healthy and gel a bit more i think we are going to be a force to be reckoned with.

I just spent two weeks in Phoenix and I think this is the biggest story everyone is sleeping on. Since the Richardson trade we have lost only two games at the wire. One required a 52 point game like I have never seen and another was a walk off 3. Other then that we just have had alot of time off.

Has anyone there noticed how Shaq is playing? I have been accused of being a optimist before (cheese) but I don't think I am crazy in saying that when Shaq plays like that - teams go far in the playoffs.

I would like another perimeter defender but even without one I am calling my shot. Assuming we stay healthy I see this team playing in the WCF against the Lakers. No one else scares me at this point, even New Orleans.

 

[mojorizen7]

Come on friend, you're not going to allow a soft schedule full of weak centers fool you into believing that we can make it out of the second round of the playoffs are you?

I'm trying to be realistic in my bitterness. We'll make the playoffs, we'll win round 1 (depending on matchups of course) but beyond that it's not going to happen. The reason I'm so bitter is that we dumped a very fun, very entertaining system and aren't going to get any further. It's my personal opinion of course; but I'll take a 2nd round exit "7 seconds or less" style over a 2nd round exit "Kerr Style" any day of the week. At least with the 7 seconds system you felt like we had some sort of chance.

I can respect your opinion, and i felt the same way you do exactly one year ago when the SUNS were basically waiting to get outcoached & bullied right out of the 1st or 2nd round.
I am cautiously optimistic at this teams chances to appear in the WCF,but they have to address their defensive issues(as a team) in the coming weeks. There's no reason that this team can't play better team D(unless Porter is incapable of getting veteran players to buy into it).

 

[Mr. Boldin]

You can only sign a guy to two 10 day contracts, after that you have to sign him for the remainder of the season.

 

[Mainstreet]

You can only sign a guy to two 10 day contracts, after that you have to sign him for the remainder of the season.

As I understand it the two ten day contracts do not need to be consecutive. Also I think the team still can waive the player after the second 10 day contract or sign him to a guaranteed contract. However, if the team waives him after the second ten day contract, they don't get any more shots at the pie.

 

[Irish]

I'm not sure what their plan is. On the Suns on-line TV show they interviewed Porter on Monday. He was asked point blank abot Brown and said there weren't the minutes.

It was a weak answer. IMHO what he meant was that Hill will be the half court play maker to go with the inside out plays with Shaq.

I have no idea what Livingston will offer, but he is intriguing.

 

[Mainstreet]

I'm not sure what their plan is. On the Suns on-line TV show they interviewed Porter on Monday. He was asked point blank abot Brown and said there weren't the minutes.

It was a weak answer. IMHO what he meant was that Hill will be the half court play maker to go with the inside out plays with Shaq.

I have no idea what Livingston will offer, but he is intriguing.

Maybe the Suns do decide to go PG by committee and try to rehab Livingston. He is only 23 and was a potential gem before he got injured. If the Suns medical staff feel he can again play near the level he did before the injury, they would have two young PGs in the pipeline. Then if Livingston or Dragic emerge the Suns would potentially have their PG of the future. However, if the Suns could get Pargo, I'd do that first because the future can be now.

 

[nowagimp]

Maybe the Suns do decide to go PG by committee and try to rehab Livingston. He is only 23 and was a potential gem before he got injured. If the Suns medical staff feel he can again play near the level he did before the injury, they would have two young PGs in the pipeline. Then if Livingston or Dragic emerge the Suns would potentially have their PG of the future. However, if the Suns could get Pargo, I'd do that first because the future can be now.

Livingstons knee was destroyed, one of the worst knee injuries possible. To think that he can come back and be a productive PG is a bit of a stretch, and to be a future starting PG is a massive stretch. There is a reason that miami, a bad team without a real PG would let him go.

 

[Chaplin]

Livingstons knee was destroyed, one of the worst knee injuries possible. To think that he can come back and be a productive PG is a bit of a stretch, and to be a future starting PG is a massive stretch. There is a reason that miami, a bad team without a real PG would let him go.

I tend to agree, however we have the best medical staff in the league, perhaps they are thinking they could do something with Livingston that Miami could not. Hell, look at Shaq and what we've done with him compared to what was going on with him in Miami.

 

[Mainstreet]

Livingstons knee was destroyed, one of the worst knee injuries possible. To think that he can come back and be a productive PG is a bit of a stretch, and to be a future starting PG is a massive stretch. There is a reason that miami, a bad team without a real PG would let him go.

Of course the Suns medical staff would have to give their opinion and blessing. However, it is interesting that he was back to playing some games in Miami when many thought he would never play again.

Nowagimp, now get Pargo for the Suns so I can sleep at night.

 

[nowagimp]

I tend to agree, however we have the best medical staff in the league, perhaps they are thinking they could do something with Livingston that Miami could not. Hell, look at Shaq and what we've done with him compared to what was going on with him in Miami.

Massive scar tissue in the knee is the problem I understand. I have never heard of anyone overcoming that and major ligament destruction. this guy needs a knee replacement, not some exercise therapy. Livingstons knee sounded like it could have been humpty dumptys, just about every major ligament was ravaged.

 

[Mainstreet]

I tend to agree, however we have the best medical staff in the league, perhaps they are thinking they could do something with Livingston that Miami could not. Hell, look at Shaq and what we've done with him compared to what was going on with him in Miami.

Although the health problems are different, you're right. Many had written Shaq off as primary contributor in Miami or elsewhere.

 

[elindholm]

The difference is, O'Neal's main problem in Miami was lack of motivation. He's been quite motivated in Phoenix, and that's the reason he's playing better. Yes, the Suns' trainers have helped, but they can take the patient only as far as he wants to go.

I think Livingston is as motivated as he can be. His body just isn't up to it. Changing time zones won't help that.

 

[Covert Rain]

Great points. I would think they would do an extensive evaluation. If they feel his body is sound and can help him improve and actually contribute...then I trust that opinion. If the medical staff feel like the knee is just beyond saving and that he will never be of any value...I trust they would make the right decision.

We do have a great staff and from what I understand were not too high on Allan Houston's physical health the past offseason. So, I think they could evaluate SL.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

Shaq's issue was more than just motivation. They discussed in detail how underdeveloped his hip and gleuteus muscles were for a man of his size.

He praises the training staff every day for his improvement. Ever see the Suns vid where he grabs one of the trainers by the head and proceeds to make out with his skull?

 

[Covert Rain]

Shaq's issue was more than just motivation. They discussed in detail how underdeveloped his hip and gleuteus muscles were for a man of his size.

He praises the training staff every day for his improvement. Ever see the Suns vid where he grabs one of the trainers by the head and proceeds to make out with his skull?

Agreed. The training staff said he had some definite physical issues and had a weak "core" when strength testing.

 

[arwillan]

Livingstons knee was destroyed, one of the worst knee injuries possible. To think that he can come back and be a productive PG is a bit of a stretch, and to be a future starting PG is a massive stretch. There is a reason that miami, a bad team without a real PG would let him go.

first off, i wouldn't call miami a bad team. they have a winning record, are in the playoffs, and have a guy named Dwyane Wade playing at as high of a level as he ever has.

Secondly, they already have 2 young pg's in Chalmers and Quinn, so livingston wasn't really necessary. Both Quinn and Chalmers (especially Chalmers) have been playing surprisingly well this year.

 

[Mainstreet]

Originally Posted by Rab
Just a financial move by the Suns. Brown's contract would've become guaranteed if they didn't release him this week. Wouldn't be surprised to see him brought back on a 10 day contract basis. I don't think there's much this in terms of a trade or anything.

Yes and no. You can't have 10 day contracts in the playoffs. (IIRC) So they will have to sign someone to a guaranteed contract eventually. They are going to use the 10 day contracts to find someone, but it isn't just a financial move per se. Why pay someone (Dee Brown) if you aren't confident in his abilities?

This just buys them more time.

You're both right. The Suns will try to wait as long as they can using 10 day contracts waiting for a fruit to fall from the tree. They could even sign Dee Brown again. If Dee Brown signs elsewhere and no one else better falls, the Suns will use a player from their PG try-outs. The Suns want to remain as flexible as possible. Also the trading deadline looms on February 19th.

 

[Mainstreet]

Does anyone know why players can be signed to 10 day contracts starting January 5th but player contracts become guaranteed January 10th?

This doesn't make sense (signing a player to a 10 day contract on January 5th) if it becomes guaranteed for the season 5 days later. There must be an exception but I cant find it.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

There is a specific difference between "contracts" and "10-day contracts" in the CBA.

Think of it like apples/oranges and not apples/small apples

 

[AceP]

"10-days contract" is a special type of contract, with a set of other rules such as can only renew it once, after then either sign for the rest of the season or byebye. It is not allowed to sign players to "10-days contract" until Jan.5.

Dee Brown wasn't with a 10 days contract, it was another type of temporary contract, but according to league rule, all such contract becomes guaranteed after Jan.10.

We r above luxry tax threshold, although we have 3 open roster spots, only one will be used. And Kerr will do everything within the rule to avoid signing him to fully guaranteed contract until the very last deadline (in March?). Unless, an ideal target fall in our hand.

 

[Suns_fan69]

So any further news with what's happening with this? Don't we still need to sign a player to reach the league minimum roster?