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[Mainstreet]

I can tell it is draft time. We are getting all worked up with things and then on Thursday we will all be disappointed and weary.

You are probably right but when else can we get excited?

However, I am expecting the Suns to make a trade so there is that.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I meant comparable in terms of trade value, but I can't deal with your hysteria any longer. So, tell you what: If Cousins ends up being traded this off-season, let's see what he goes for, and take it from there.

Wow... I was wrong (see how easy that is). You didn't change the subject... you went a slin-step further and just decided to pick up your ball and just go home. classic and bravo. And even beyond that, you continue to slin it up by completely rewriting your original statement after the fact about "what your meant". I mean... now, after comparing who the guys are as players, you're now saying "comparable in terms of trade value? Then why bother the talk about breaking down the players? And why bring up your "name me three other big men better" argument (which you of course never responded to).

As to your claims of "hysteria"... simply responding to your posts with reasons why you're incredibly wrong isn't hysteria, but your refusal to a) respond in kind b) shift the conversation to something that has nothing to do with Barkley and b) then try and shift the entire narrative of the discussion after the fact, is in fact hysterical.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Every year we expect some sort of big dealings about draft time. Some fantastic player falls in the draft, and then they draft what we think is a marginal player. We all say we are done.

Welcome Montrezl Harrell.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Every year we expect some sort of big dealings about draft time. Some fantastic player falls in the draft, and then they draft what we think is a marginal player. We all say we are done.

Welcome Montrezl Harrell.

Correct. I literally don't care about the draft or what they might do.

 

[Phrazbit]

I can tell it is draft time. We are getting all worked up with things and then on Thursday we will all be disappointed and weary.

...

I wish I could counter this somehow.

 

[Covert Rain]

Barkley was the most dominating player on the court during the Olympic Dream team in 1992, and when you look at the All-World HOF teammates he played next to...it becomes even more impressive.

This has nothing to do with Cousins, just thought i'd remind everyone of how truly special Barkley was in his prime years.

There are very few players who were brash enough to dare people to stop them or say you couldn't and back it up. Barkley during his prime backed it up. I don't even put Cousins on the same planet let alone say there is any comparative value.

I would love to have a player who could put up Cousins numbers on this team but to expect him to be as valuable as Charles was to he Suns? That thought would never cross my mind.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Every year we expect some sort of big dealings about draft time. Some fantastic player falls in the draft, and then they draft what we think is a marginal player. We all say we are done.

Welcome Montrezl Harrell.

Ha, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if this happened.

 

[Mainstreet]

Every year we expect some sort of big dealings about draft time. Some fantastic player falls in the draft, and then they draft what we think is a marginal player. We all say we are done.

Welcome Montrezl Harrell.

I believe Gambo talked about the Suns drafting Harrell. IMO, I think this selection would involve trading down. If memory serves me correct, I don't remember Gambo giving out any inside information about the Suns draft in 2014. I know Gambo used to get inside information from Sarver but I'm not sure anymore.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Correct. I literally don't care about the draft or what they might do.

if I had a job right now, I'd probably be right there with ya. But I gots A LOT of time on my hands and gotta fill it up somehow!

 

[Chris_Sanders]

if I had a job right now, I'd probably be right there with ya. But I gots A LOT of time on my hands and gotta fill it up somehow!

I am in Vegas for the week for work. My buddy up here is a diehard Suns fan.

We watch the draft on the strip somewhere nice, get all excited, and then pick Earl Clark and then Kendall Marshall. It is just a history of disappointment up here.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I am in Vegas for the week for work. My buddy up here is a diehard Suns fan.

We watch the draft on the strip somewhere nice, get all excited, and then pick Earl Clark and then Kendall Marshall. It is just a history of disappointment up here.

don't worry... I'm sure it'll be really exciting this year... when we take another low-ceiling level, non athlete when Kaminski's name is announced.

 

[Mainstreet]

I am in Vegas for the week for work. My buddy up here is a diehard Suns fan.

We watch the draft on the strip somewhere nice, get all excited, and then pick Earl Clark and then Kendall Marshall. It is just a history of disappointment up here.

Or Tyler Ennis.

 

[elindholm]

Wow... I was wrong (see how easy that is).

Yes, when you said that Cousins was a "no-time" All-Star.

You didn't change the subject... you went a slin-step further and just decided to pick up your ball and just go home. classic and bravo.

What am I supposed to do? I'm not going to get into a "last word" contest with you. I'm giving you the last word. Take it and be happy.

And even beyond that, you continue to slin it up by completely rewriting your original statement after the fact about "what your meant".

I said that Barkley was a more proven commodity than Cousins is now, "but not by much." It's those last four words that you're getting all worked up over. "Commodity" means we're talking about value, and the whole issue was what kind of package would be needed to trade for either player. So it's not changing the point at all. The context was trade value. Or, as you would say, tHE CONTEXT WAS FREAKNGI TRADE VALUEE!!!

And why bring up your "name me three other big men better" argument (which you of course never responded to).

If you'd rather have Aldridge than Cousins on this Suns team, right now, then there's no discussion. I think that's absolutely absurd and my guess is that if you put a poll on this board, at least 80% of posters would prefer Cousins to Aldridge as an acquisition this off-season. In fact I seriously doubt that you would yourself prefer Aldridge to Cousins, but were just being argumentative, so I didn't see any point in responding.

simply responding to your posts with reasons why you're incredibly wrong isn't hysteria

I'm not "incredibly wrong." We have a difference of opinion, which is based on my rating Cousins much higher than you do. You have called him a "no-time All-Star" who hasn't shown anything. I think he's shown a lot, especially considering that he's only 24. The guy averaged 24 and 13 last season, with almost 2 blocks. I mean come on. Those aren't Barkley numbers (which I already acknowledged), but I don't see a big gap.

Do you know how many Suns players ever, in the history of the franchise, have averaged as many rebounds per game as Cousins did last season? Zero. I looked it up. The answer is zero. Look, here are the links:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/couside01.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHO/leaders_season.html (scroll down to Rebounds Per Game)

All Cousins would have to do is match last year's rebound rate, and he would make Suns history. Read that sentence again.

but your refusal to a) respond in kind

That's ridiculous. I am responding absolutely in kind, but you are so enraged over the four words "but not by much" that you have gone into a frenzy of personal attack.

Please. I'm giving you the last word. Take it, respond to this with more of your trademark mania, and be happy. We aren't going to convince each other. I see huge indications of stardom in Cousins, and you don't. That's fine. Like I said before, if he gets traded, we'll see what the consensus of actual NBA executives is.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Wow... I was wrong (see how easy that is). You didn't change the subject... you went a slin-step further and just decided to pick up your ball and just go home. classic and bravo. And even beyond that, you continue to slin it up by completely rewriting your original statement after the fact about "what your meant". I mean... now, after comparing who the guys are as players, you're now saying "comparable in terms of trade value? Then why bother the talk about breaking down the players? And why bring up your "name me three other big men better" argument (which you of course never responded to).

As to your claims of "hysteria"... simply responding to your posts with reasons why you're incredibly wrong isn't hysteria, but your refusal to a) respond in kind b) shift the conversation to something that has nothing to do with Barkley and b) then try and shift the entire narrative of the discussion after the fact, is in fact hysterical.

Bro, I can tell you've got too much time in your hands these days. Reading all this . . . you're conjuring up full blown battles out of discussion points. Step away from the computer.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Yes, when you said that Cousins was a "no-time" All-Star.

that was a slip of the fingers. I know he's a one time All-Star and repeatedly have said he had one very good year... that can't compare to the entire career that Barkley had at the time of the trade.

What am I supposed to do? I'm not going to get into a "last word" contest with you. I'm giving you the last word. Take it and be happy.



I said that Barkley was a more proven commodity than Cousins is now, "but not by much." It's those last four words that you're getting all worked up over. "Commodity" means we're talking about value, and the whole issue was what kind of package would be needed to trade for either player. So it's not changing the point at all. The context was trade value. Or, as you would say, tHE CONTEXT WAS FREAKNGI TRADE VALUEE!!!

lol... okay. Glad I got you to ALL CAPS!!!!!!!!!! Means we're getting somewhere with your ridiculous notion that Barkley's value wasn't much more then Cousins is now.

If you'd rather have Aldridge than Cousins on this Suns team, right now, then there's no discussion. I think that's absolutely absurd and my guess is that if you put a poll on this board, at least 80% of posters would prefer Cousins to Aldridge as an acquisition this off-season. In fact I seriously doubt that you would yourself prefer Aldridge to Cousins, but were just being argumentative, so I didn't see any point in responding.

Why is it absurd? Aldridge is a complete stud, a very good defender and a model citizen who's right in the middle of his prime that's helped take Portland to the playoffs for the last two years despite a ton of injuries over there as opposed to Cousins who's had ONE very good year statistically on the court that didn't move the needle in the W column and is by all accounts a complete and utter head case. And what about Griffin? There was nothing argumentative about any of the players I brought up, but it's easy to just say again, I refuse to answer your questions because you bring up points that either prove me wrong or I didn't think about. Maybe you can respond now, though?

I'm not "incredibly wrong." We have a difference of opinion, which is based on my rating Cousins much higher than you do. You have called him a "no-time All-Star" who hasn't shown anything.

Again, it was a slip of the wrist with the no-time All-Star and I'd love for you to show me where i said "he hasn't shown anything." I have said repeatedly that he's a guy who's had one very good year... that translated to very little as far as success on the court, as opposed to Barkley who dwarfs him in overall numbers at the time he was traded, as well as accolades and success in the league.

I think he's shown a lot, especially considering that he's only 24. The guy averaged 24 and 13 last season, with almost 2 blocks. I mean come on. Those aren't Barkley numbers (which I already acknowledged), but I don't see a big gap.

that's because you're choosing to look at numbers in a complete vaccum of one year and ignoring the impact each of those guy's numbers had on the court.

Do you know how many Suns players ever, in the history of the franchise, have averaged as many rebounds per game as Cousins did last season? Zero. I looked it up. The answer is zero. Look, here are the links:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/couside01.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHO/leaders_season.html (scroll down to Rebounds Per Game)

All Cousins would have to do is match last year's rebound rate, and he would make Suns history. Read that sentence again.

That's great... none of that has anything to do with the comparison you made to Barkley and the value the two guys had while on the trading block. But kudos for trying to sidetrack the discussion again.

That's ridiculous. I am responding absolutely in kind, but you are so enraged over the four words "but not by much" that you have gone into a frenzy of personal attack.

A personal attack? Wha? You've got to be kidding me. Again, simply showing voluminous reasons why you're statement is far off base isn't a personal attack. Comparing your style to another poster who deflects the same way isn't a personal attack either. But hey... guess you're clean as whistle here even though you've called my responses to you "hysteria". I'd really like for you to show me where I "attacked" you before you called me hysterical. I don't expect you to do it as it's be proven time and time again, you're loathe to admit you're wrong about anything, but hey... doesn't hurt to ask.

Please. I'm giving you the last word. Take it, respond to this with more of your trademark mania, and be happy.

so, I'm hysterical and manic... and yet I'm the one doling out personal attacks? Okay Eric. You were wrong and can't admit it, and now you're just being a hypocrite as well, attacking someone while playing the victim. Kudos again.

We aren't going to convince each other. I see huge indications of stardom in Cousins, and you don't.

And now you're putting words into my mouth. I never said I don't see indications of stardom in Cousins. I do see indications... I also see someone who's been a cancer on their team and has never elevated them to any level of success. I also said earlier in this thread I'd definitely do a deal that sent them picks, bledsoe and the morri to get him. But let's really look at what you just said, putting aside the fabrication you attributed to me just now.

You said "you see indications of stardom... right? And yet you think Cousin's value isn't that much different right now then when Barkley was traded. At the time Barkley was traded, there weren't "indications of stardom"... he was a complete and utter Olympic, First Team Superstar. Thus, how in any way shape or form could a guy who's merely got indications of getting to that level be even close to a guy who had proven to be at the superstar level?

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I don't know...a little chippiness here and there is good entertainment, especially with the product on the court being so uninspiring. (see AZ Cardinals, Sun Devil Stadium days)

 

[Cheesebeef]

Bro, I can tell you've got too much time in your hands these days. Reading all this . . . you're conjuring up full blown battles out of discussion points. Step away from the computer.

i definitely have too much time on my hands. shoulda stayed in Phoenix another couple days and played with the Mohawk!

 

[mojorizen7]

So is Cousins on the block or are we just kicking each other in the arse?

 

[SirStefan32]

So is Cousins on the block or are we just kicking each other in the arse?

He probably is, just like Love and LMA. Sadly, they aren't gonna look in our general direction, let alone sign with us.

 

[mojorizen7]

Between this board lately and just watching the movie "Chappie" i've had enough nonsense for one day.

 

[sunsfan88]

don't worry... I'm sure it'll be really exciting this year... when we take another low-ceiling level, non athlete when Kaminski's name is announced.

And then if you criticize that pick, you will be a racist

 

[JCSunsfan]

I think I would take Alderidge over Cousins. I guess I am in the 20%. I just think the locker room will always be dysfunctional with Cousins regardless of his stats.

There is a reason all these rumors are swirling and it's not because Karl likes to lose.

 

[BC867]

OT

I am in Vegas for the week for work.

My favorite vacation spot. A room at Paris Las Vegas with the Eiffel Tower right outside the window. The fountains of Bellagio in the background. And Vegas' (once again) best buffet -- at the Bacchanal at Caesar's.

Love it!

Did you get to go up in the High Roller?

 

[Covert Rain]

I am just dumbfounded that Barkley and Cousins are even in the same sentence in terms of value or impact. Beyond ridiculous. At any rate, I have always liked Aldridge. I would love to have him or Cousins on the team. Anything to shore up this pathetic front court is a plus IMO.

 

[Mainstreet]

I am just dumbfounded that Barkley and Cousins are even in the same sentence in terms of value or impact. Beyond ridiculous. At any rate, I have always liked Aldridge. I would love to have him or Cousins on the team. Anything to shore up this pathetic front court is a plus IMO.

I agree. Back in the day Barkley was just a breath behind Jordon when talking about stars.