Deone Bucannon - Cardinals 1st round pick!

[Cardiac]

Mayock, McShay, Kiper, Scouts inc - All had him in the 40 to 45 range.

Mayock mentioned after the pick if we didn't pick him the Patriots were very high on him. This I know to be true as well.

Anyone who has watched path to the draft on NFL network would have seen many of their experts talk about Buchanon as a fringe 1st rounder and a without a doubt high second rounder.

And anyone who ever reads or takes any notes what so ever from walterfootball is worse off for it. They are absolute hacks, who's top 100 boards are historically low. Ranked 63 out of 66 draft prognosticators per the huddle reports scores.

As for the pick itself, he is the fiercest hitter in the draft, with good hands to boot. Stiff as a change of direction guy though. I am currently in wait and see mode with this pick, I dont hate or love the pick right now.

That is all, see you all next year.

Dude, great to hear from you and please post more often. You always had inside info and a good common sense about you and your posts. This site is richer when you contribute and poorer when you go on hiatus.

If nothing else just PM me and I'll share the knowledge

 

[mjb21aztd]

I had a feeling the Cardinals wouldn't take Manziel just not the Arinas type guy, I thought maybe we might have taken Bridgewater thought.
Good need pick in Bucannon we need a saftey back here hope he fits the bill
So you guys think anychance we try to trade up in round 2 to take Carr? he is still on the board

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Scouts must have had a hold on this pick. Minter isn't a screw up yet homie.

I watch a ton of LSU and Minter sucks

 

[Buckybird]

So Mayock, McShay, Kiper have hi 40-45 range but Walter has him 2-3 rounder but are hacks

isn't 40-45 in round 2?

IMO everyone here saying he's worth the 27th pick is in denial, just because he's a Cardinal. I think the responses by the entire ESPN crew spoke volumes of the selection...surprised. I would've taken Ward for his coverage skills before him.

I guess we'll know 3 years down the road.

 

[coyoteshockeyfan]

The Cardinals had him in their top 20 prospects. Solid pick @ 27.

I don't hate the pick or anything, but let's face it, all teams say this about their guy.

 

[desertdawg]

I watch a ton of LSU and Minter sucks

I think we will know soon how he fills the middle here, I'll buy you a beer either way.

 

[joeshmo]

So Mayock, McShay, Kiper have hi 40-45 range but Walter has him 2-3 rounder but are hacks

isn't 40-45 in round 2?

Walterfootball had him going #68. When Walterfootball says 2nd/3rd rounder they mean late 2nd early 3rd. Otherwise they wouldn't have put him #68 on their mock draft. 40-45 is not late 2nd. And yes they are hacks, their top 100 board is one of the worst on the net, their historical record shows as such, and goes to show their overall prognostication skills being on hack level.

But lets get back to the bigger issue, You asked for top 50 and I gave you 4 of the biggest.

 

[AzStevenCal]

IMO everyone here saying he's worth the 27th pick is in denial, just because he's a Cardinal. I think the responses by the entire ESPN crew spoke volumes of the selection...surprised. I would've taken Ward for his coverage skills before him.

I guess we'll know 3 years down the road.

I guess if you think that ESPN is the end all be all he's a huge reach but for those of us that watched a lot of the NFL Network we have a different perspective. He was talked up regularly on Path To The Draft and not just by Curtis Conway. I saw him on a couple of lists earlier this week as a late riser and possible first round selection. Maybe it's a stretch, maybe it isn't but just because ESPN isn't on his jock doesn't mean he's not getting some love from a fair share of the experts. I think he usually ended up pegged a bit lower but not enough to warrant all the negativity on this pick, IMO. It helps too that he looks pretty damned impressive when you actually watch him play.

Steve

 

[gmabel830]

The quality of this pick will ultimately come down to how well Bucannon does in coverage. I've read a few scouting reports since we drafted him, and it seems like there is universal praise for his hitting/physicality and questions on his coverage ability. From what I can tell, it seems like his role at WSU last year was to just run around trying to make as many plays as he could for a bad defense -- which explains the gaudy statistics and post-season honors. So, I wonder if his coverage skills are still a bit of a question mark (have not seen him play and not much of a scouter). His combine numbers suggest that he has the physical tools to cover well, but we'll see. He'll need to cover tight ends, and this is what I'll be paying the most attention to in the preseason/early in the season.

I think he'll be some incarnation of A-Dub. If he can hit/cover like A-Dub did for the majority of his career, then it's a home run. If his coverage is more like late in A-Dub's career (e.g. if his coverage skills ceiling = A-Dub's floor), then I don't think the couple of crushing hits a game that we'll see will not make up for the liability he will pose in coverage and he'll have his moments but wash out.

 

[GuernseyCard]

IMO everyone here saying he's worth the 27th pick is in denial, just because he's a Cardinal. I think the responses by the entire ESPN crew spoke volumes of the selection...surprised. I would've taken Ward for his coverage skills before him.

I guess we'll know 3 years down the road.

ESPN?

They spent the night taking themselves into picks, and then trying to cover their butts. Their reaction was simply more evidence that teams do a good job guarding their true evaluations. And they certainly didn't pan the pick.

 

[joeshmo]

IMO everyone here saying he's worth the 27th pick is in denial, just because he's a Cardinal. I think the responses by the entire ESPN crew spoke volumes of the selection...surprised. I would've taken Ward for his coverage skills before him.

I guess we'll know 3 years down the road.

The were surprised because they all wanted us to pick Carr to make all of their pre draft talk look correct. They couldnt stop talking about Carr being our pick the whole show, and they looked foolish for it.

And word is the Niners will most likely try Ward at CB before they try him at S.

 

[joeshmo]

Yay, Joe! Great to see you drop by.

Of course, I'm not sure that you really want to rely on the New England College Scouting department for defensive backs as a supporting point for the success of a prospect.

You got me there, yet funny thing is, people would still slobber over how great the pick was if the shoe was on the other foot.

 

[joeshmo]

Aw shucks Jo.

This got me hooked, I will hang around for the rest of the draft. Then go back to creepy guy looking through the window just lurking status.

 

[clif]

I was not excited about the pick, but when you consider that our starting safety is all but retired and he was 35...this was a must pick considering the immediate and drastic drop off in depth at the position in this draft. The fact that they were able to get another pick to go along with this pick I'm on board.


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[GuernseyCard]

I don't peeps here think it's a terrible pick, I think those (me included) think the Cards panicked & reached for a player at #27. I think he's gonna be a solid player, but I don't think he's the #27 best player in this draft. I'm not sure most teams had him in their top 40.

Unless you've seen the Cards board, there's little to support this view.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

From CBS:


STRENGTHS WEAKNESSES

STRENGTHS: Boasts an imposing build with broad shoulders and a thick, muscled-up top half. Best attribute may be his explosive hitting, as Bucannon at times appears as though he is shot out of a cannon, unloading on runners and receivers crossing the middle and forcing fumbles. Doesn't only rely on his big hits to create fumbles, also demonstrating the wherewithal to rip at the ball as he's making the tackle (career-high three forced fumbles in 2013). Also showed improved range and ball-skills in 2013, recording a career-high six interceptions in 2013 to give him 15 for his career... Enjoyed a solid week of practice at the Senior Bowl.


WEAKNESSES: Has a high, choppy backpedal and is stiff in the hips, limiting his ability to change directions fluidly. This leaves Bucannon vulnerable to double-moves and ball-carriers with the agility to cutback against the grain. While a big-hitter, too often Bucannon will lunge at ball-carriers, occasionally resulting in some ugly whiffs. Struggles a bit with tunnel vision, focusing strictly on the ball-carrier and losing sight of would-be blockers, who take advantage of his lack of spatial awareness to seal him off from the play.

COMPARES TO: Craig Dahl, San Francisco 49ers - Like the 6-1, 212-pound Dahl, Bucannon possesses an imposing frame and good closing speed which can result in some big hits. While possessing better ball-skills perhaps than Dahl, Bucannon is not particularly fluid which could lead to his struggles earning (and keeping) a starting role in the NFL.

--Rob Rang

PLAYER OVERVIEW

First-team All-American whose dependability near the line of scrimmage with 78 solo tackles (tied for 11th in the country) and three forced fumbles and in coverage -- six interceptions -- underscores his all-around ability.
Bucannon's ideal size, hard-hitting style and fierce competitive nature are exactly what teams seek safety. However, his limited flexibility and poor awareness and reaction time in coverage are measured shortcomings.

 

[desertdawg]

The were surprised because they all wanted us to pick Carr to make all of their pre draft talk look correct. They couldnt stop talking about Carr being our pick the whole show, and they looked foolish for it.

And word is the Niners will most likely try Ward at CB before they try him at S.

Bridge too, I thought that was where we might be going. I was wrong like donkey kong... wanted Bortles first though

 

[gmabel830]

I've also seen scouting reports comparing him to James Ihedigbo and Bernie Pollard. And a WSU homer site essentially saying he is a poor man's Kam Chancellor.

 

[Buckybird]

I guess if you think that ESPN is the end all be all he's a huge reach but for those of us that watched a lot of the NFL Network we have a different perspective. He was talked up regularly on Path To The Draft and not just by Curtis Conway. I saw him on a couple of lists earlier this week as a late riser and possible first round selection. Maybe it's a stretch, maybe it isn't but just because ESPN isn't on his jock doesn't mean he's not getting some love from a fair share of the experts. I think he usually ended up pegged a bit lower but not enough to warrant all the negativity on this pick, IMO. It helps too that he looks pretty damned impressive when you actually watch him play.

Steve

So a former WR is the final word on a SS? I had to do it lol I know others there liked him as well. Hey, I think he's a solid player, I just believe we over drafted the guy. Most peeps had him as a mid second rounder, even the NFLN if I'm not mistaken. I still don't think Bucannons fast 40 time shows in game time.

I watched every episode of path to the draft Steven, getting views from each side of the spectrum. Most hear talked about value & I don't think we achieved that. I think the value at 20 was to either pick JF or Carr at that point. I liked the Aggie & I think we missed we golden opportunity to add a lower round & cheaper potential franchise QB. It was the #20 pick, not a top 5 or even a top 10.

Let's see what happens at #91, then we'll have a better gauge of that trade.

 

[desertdawg]

This got me hooked, I will hang around for the rest of the draft. Then go back to creepy guy looking through the window just lurking status.

Monucka... you better kick it like a bass drum

 

[Buckybird]

The were surprised because they all wanted us to pick Carr to make all of their pre draft talk look correct. They couldnt stop talking about Carr being our pick the whole show, and they looked foolish for it.

And word is the Niners will most likely try Ward at CB before they try him at S.

I can see Ward playing CB no doubt.

Personally I wanted Meziel at #20.

Glad your making an appearance joe

 

[New Mexico]

When I look at his size, read his stats, hear that he was a three year team captain who never missed a game, and listen to him speak, I can't help but be excited. Screw the mock drafts! I think this kid will be special!

 

[TJ]

As I told you all--I would've been stunned had we taken a QB in the first round. Doubt Keim and BA have enough patience to develop a first round talent while the playoffs are attainable. Bucannon can start Week 1. Carr or Teddy can't.

It was hysterical watching and listening to the talking heads trip over themselves while predicting that we'd take Carr, then subsequently trash us for not taking him.

There are three picks in the second day--I'll give it a 50/50 change that we pick a QB.

Bucannon was the safe pick. Very little risk, much potential.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

I think we are all missing the obvious question...who would Kevin Costner have picked at 27? Where was Buc on his draft board?

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[WildBB]

Let's see what happens at #91, then we'll have a better gauge of that trade.

Should be a very decent player available. They could package it for Glennon as well.