Detroit Lions @ Arizona Cardinals Pre Game Thread. 09/15/24-09/21/24

[DVontel]

Detroit should win this game. We’re kind of outmatched in numerous spots, especially our D versus their O.

If we win though, playoffs might not be out of the question.

 

[Ronin]

Darren Urban


@Cardschatter
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1h


Jonathan Gannon on momentum from the last game: “I just don’t believe in it. What carries over is confidence and winning behavior.” Elaborates on the latter with the process the players follow weekly.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Detroit should win this game. We’re kind of outmatched in numerous spots, especially our D versus their O.

If we win though, playoffs might not be out of the question.

Yeah I'm very concerned about the depth at Tackle right now with Beachum popping up on the Injury report. If Beach can't go that means that a practice squad guy will have to start at RT most likely.

 

[Ronin]

Darren Urban


@Cardschatter
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57m


The Cardinals do have a veteran tackle on the PS, Charlie Heck, who could be in the equation if that were to happen. (What is with these Tip Reiman suggestions? I've seen more than one for some reason.)But my hunch is that Beachum will end up playing.

 

[Ronin]

Lions' Aidan Hutchinson among biggest tests for Cardinals

The Detroit Lions led by DE Aidan Hutchinson bring a similar brand of football to their Week 3 game against the Arizona Cardinals on Sunday.

arizonasports.com

 

[CardNots]

While somewhat true, 2 games is not signifanct data set. And the lions players are, for the most, more established. I doubt you’d find many knowledgeable football fans or analysts that would disagree with my assessments position by position.

Also, I believe someone here did say our offense was better. Hence my response in the first place.

more established than the Bills or the Rams?

I might be off here but Lions just came of age last year so I do not understand your claim of more established.

 

[Ronin]

Theo Mackie

@theo_mackie
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8m

No sign of Cardinals RT Kelvin Beachum at practice today. EDGE Xavier Thomas is back after missing yesterday for personal reasons.

 

[Proximo]

Theo Mackie
@theo_mackie
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8m

No sign of Cardinals RT Kelvin Beachum at practice today. EDGE Xavier Thomas is back after missing yesterday for personal reasons.

Based on Gannon's press conference, I am getting the impression Beachum isn't playing this weekend.

That scares me quite a bit. We are going to have to double Hutchinson every play.

 

[seacow]

Based on Gannon's press conference, I am getting the impression Beachum isn't playing this weekend.

That scares me quite a bit. We are going to have to double Hutchinson every play.

What’s Gannon said?

 

[Ronin]

Tyler Drake

@Tdrake4sports
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9m

Doing some (kinda) quick math:The Arizona Cardinals are averaging 6.83 yards to go on third down this season.That's helped lead to a league-leading third-down conversion rate of 58.3% (14-of-24).

 

[Stout]

Yeah I'm very concerned about the depth at Tackle right now with Beachum popping up on the Injury report. If Beach can't go that means that a practice squad guy will have to start at RT most likely.

I would have to revise my hopium for this game if he can't go.

 

[mjb21aztd]

BIggggg gm hope right cards show up

And mr harrison jr gets his targets by murray magic

That dive td by harrison was soooo fitz like lost my voice on that lol

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

The problem is trusting either way 100% of the time. The eyeball test and analytics should be used together to help verify or rule out.

And correct me if I’m wrong, but analytics don’t always have all the pertinent data to make them infallible. Like the analytics might say go for it on 4th down at their 30 with 3 yards to go. But what if you starting QB isn’t playing or you’re playing a team with a great defense? There’s also something called momentum. People might dismiss such as the “feels” of the game, but the players are human. Humans react on feelings. As a result momentum can absolutely be a real thing that operatives outside of The purview of analytics.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

The only place you need an advantage is QB.

Not with our passrush against their oline and their dline against our oline.

 

[oaken1]

And correct me if I’m wrong, but analytics don’t always have all the pertinent data to make them infallible. Like the analytics might say go for it on 4th down at their 30 with 3 yards to go. But what if you starting QB isn’t playing or you’re playing a team with a great defense? There’s also something called momentum. People might dismiss such as the “feels” of the game, but the players are human. Humans react on feelings. As a result momentum can absolutely be a real thing that operatives outside of The purview of analytics.

Right. It is the coaches responsibility to know his team. Know the ebb and flow of the game, and take it all into consideration when making the decision.

Anybody relying strictly on analytics to decide is an idiot. Because they got jack doo doo to do with the game being played

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

That is what everyone was saying about Sean McVay last week

Except we finally got McVay without 99, puka and their entire oline. What’s going to missing from the lions? St brown? Anything else?

 

[MadCardDisease]

And correct me if I’m wrong, but analytics don’t always have all the pertinent data to make them infallible. Like the analytics might say go for it on 4th down at their 30 with 3 yards to go. But what if you starting QB isn’t playing or you’re playing a team with a great defense? There’s also something called momentum. People might dismiss such as the “feels” of the game, but the players are human. Humans react on feelings. As a result momentum can absolutely be a real thing that operatives outside of The purview of analytics.

Analytics are just another tool available to a coach to help them make decisions.

 

[MadCardDisease]

NFL+: Top five Sunday games to watch in Week 3 of 2024 NFL Season

The Cardinals looked about as good as they’ve ever looked under Jonathan Gannon in Week 2’s win over the Rams. Kyler Murray and Marvin Harrison Jr. found a rhythm and the defense was lights out. They’ll be looking to carry that momentum into Week 3 against a talented, albeit inconsistent, Lions team. The Lions' running backs and defense are keeping them in games right now, but Jared Goff and his receivers are off to a particularly slow start and need to start picking up the pace this week.

NFL Pro Insight:

Murray completed all five of his deep passes against the Rams in Week 2 after failing to complete any such passes in Week 1. Last season, Murray completed seven deep passes across eight games played. Of Murray’s 12 deep completions since the start of last season, eight have come against single-high safety coverages, including three of his four such touchdowns.

The Lions' defense has yet to allow a single deep completion through two weeks. They have also utilized single-high safety coverages on 70% of opposing dropbacks, the fourth-highest rate in the NFL.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Tyler Drake
@Tdrake4sports
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1m

A few updates from Arizona Cardinals head coach Jonathan Gannon:- "We'll see" when asked about Kelvin Beachum's availability for Sunday- Xavier Thomas is back with the team after missing practice due to a personal reason

Beachum might be out?!? That’s a BIG problem against hutch.

 

[oaken1]

Except we finally got McVay without 99, puka and their entire oline. What’s going to missing from the lions? St brown? Anything else?

Oh come on.

Rams got a HoF QB and a HoF coach.
Even being beat up doesn't account for losing by 31...and the game wasn't even the close because several of our guys sat out half the 4th quarter.

Anyone ever put an asterisk next to any of our losses because...*HoF WR retired, or *HoF QB retired, or *4 of 5 starting linemen are on IR...??
No. It was simply, the Rams kicked the Cardinals ass... or the Niners did, or Minnesota...or whatever...
No point in over thinking it. It's not honest.
The Cardinals kicked the crap out of the Rams this time.
That's truth. That's honest.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

More like I was pointing out that you were voicing an opinion, without having all the facts when it comes to the TE position.

That is true. I thought that was kinda obvious by stating I wAs only comparing those individuals.

 

[oaken1]

Beachum might be out?!? That’s a BIG problem against hutch.

Agree...was gonna have to help anyway..

But they said hammy...good chance it's gamesmanship by JG

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

more established than the Bills or the Rams?

I might be off here but Lions just came of age last year so I do not understand your claim of more established.

More established than the cards.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Being down to our 3rd string OT against this lions D is gonna be a major problem for our offense.

Losing Jonah was a blow. Losing Beachem could be devastating. Our O-line coach the last two years has done a great job identifying guys to fit the system, but he’ll have his work cut out for him this week.

 

[oaken1]

Being down to our 3rd string OT against this lions D is gonna be a major problem for our offense.

Losing Jonah was a blow. Losing Beachem could be devastating. Our O-line coach the last two years has done a great job identifying guys to fit the system, but he’ll have his work cut out for him this week.

Beach is gonna play.
In the most recent report JG, when asked about Beach said,"he's okay" ...then when asked if he will play he responded, "we'll see" ...
This is coachspeak. He is just trying to not make it easy on Dan Campbell when he gameplans.

Still gonna need a TE to buy Beach a moment to set up... but the situation is not dire