Devin Booker future extension

[pokerface]

What does it really matter? Seriously? He's 21 and has put up offensive stats that rival all time greats at the same level.

I just hope they've done a good job of impressing upon him what it means to be the face of the franchise. He needs to be squeaky clean, he needs to work his butt off and he needs to show up when the team does PR stuff. If he understands the importance of those things, especially working his butt off, then I couldn't care less about the years or money.

Everything matters. Dont know if it's possible but I'd like a team option on the end of that contact.

For Booker to get early max and security I'd think he'd have to give somewhere. But maybe he has them over a barrel because of production and potential.

 

[SirStefan32]

Why are you so set on making this adversarial? Suns like Booker, Booker likes the Suns, Suns want to sign him, he wants to sign with the Suns. There is nothing to gain by making it adversarial and whipping them out to measure them.

 

[Mainstreet]

I hope the Suns get some concession out of Booker....somewhere

Did Booker do something to you?

 

[Chaplin]

Everything matters. Dont know if it's possible but I'd like a team option on the end of that contact.

For Booker to get early max and security I'd think he'd have to give somewhere. But maybe he has them over a barrel because of production and potential.

Not sure you understand how the modern NBA works.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I hope the Suns get some concession out of Booker....somewhere

Why? How would that benefit anyone? You want Booker to think he won, big time. Remember that in this contract you are sowing the seeds of the next deal.

 

[pokerface]

Did Booker do something to you?

You guys don't get it. Part of players values is their contracts. How many times on this board has someone said "Warren is on a good contract"...well that's what makes players more attractive in trades....what they are being paid and length of contracts. Look at Carmelo and how he's screwing the Thunder. Teams get stuck and screwed. We are screwed with Brandon Knight. We got screwed with Penny Hardaway.


My loyalty is more to the organization than individual players. They come and go and get hurt or start sucking. The franchise is eternal.

 

[Chaplin]

You guys don't get it. Part of players values is their contracts. How many times on this board has someone said "Warren is on a good contract"...well that's what makes players more attractive in trades....what they are being paid and length of contracts. Look at Carmelo and how he's screwing the Thunder. Teams get stuck and screwed. We are screwed with Brandon Knight. We got screwed with Penny Hardaway.


My loyalty is more to the organization than individual players. They come and go and get hurt or start sucking. The franchise is eternal.

Right, and money actually grows on trees and we can all marry models who never age.

That's not how it works anymore. This is a PLAYER'S league, not a TEAM'S league.

 

[JCSunsfan]

You guys don't get it. Part of players values is their contracts. How many times on this board has someone said "Warren is on a good contract"...well that's what makes players more attractive in trades....what they are being paid and length of contracts. Look at Carmelo and how he's screwing the Thunder. Teams get stuck and screwed. We are screwed with Brandon Knight. We got screwed with Penny Hardaway.


My loyalty is more to the organization than individual players. They come and go and get hurt or start sucking. The franchise is eternal.

But it is in the team's best interest to give him a max deal. A team option in the last year of this deal would be insulting, and based on Booker's trajectory it would not even be useful. Now, if they could do some sort of double option, where both player and team have to exercise it together, then the Suns could use it to pay
Booker more in year five and lock him up for five more years.

 

[carrrnuttt]

LOL @ some of the people in here.

The Suns have sucked for most of the past decade because it was bought by a nickel-and-diming banker who knows nothing about running a sports franchise. And now you want them to nickel-and-dime the only star/potential superstar we've had in a long time? Because you want to support the same ******* franchise who brought us to our current lows?

Hint: Supporting the star of the franchise IS showing "loyalty to the organization." Support for our cheap, inconsiderate, and tactless management and ownership is NOT.

 

[pokerface]

But it is in the team's best interest to give him a max deal. A team option in the last year of this deal would be insulting, and based on Booker's trajectory it would not even be useful. Now, if they could do some sort of double option, where both player and team have to exercise it together, then the Suns could use it to pay
Booker more in year five and lock him up for five more years.

Ok fair enough perhaps but aren't the suns trying to get something out of Booker? Is this all about is if he gets a players option at the end of the deal? Maybe.

The suns take 'some' risk extending him a year early. He could get hurt the very next season for all anyone knows. He's gaining security by signing a year early. What are the suns gaining by extending him early? I'd like them to get some concession except props...

 

[Phrazbit]

You guys don't get it. Part of players values is their contracts. How many times on this board has someone said "Warren is on a good contract"...well that's what makes players more attractive in trades....what they are being paid and length of contracts. Look at Carmelo and how he's screwing the Thunder. Teams get stuck and screwed. We are screwed with Brandon Knight. We got screwed with Penny Hardaway.


My loyalty is more to the organization than individual players. They come and go and get hurt or start sucking. The franchise is eternal.

Saving a couple million bucks or trying to force a team option does nothing but scream to Booker that we don't value him the way other teams do their young stars.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I hope the Suns get some concession out of Booker....somewhere

You keep saying Suns are paying for potential. I say they are paying for production.


#1. From December 29, 2016 to March 11 2017 the Suns were outscored by 103 points in the 413 minutes Booker didn't play. When he did play, they outscored their opponents by 7.

#2. Devin Booker in clutch situations (under 1 minute last season) - 75% on 3 pointers. 100% at the free throw line. 44.4% on total FGs trailing only Lebron James (45.2%) and Kyrie Irving (44.8%)

#3. Booker is the 4th youngest player in NBA history to reach 3000 points, behind only Lebron James, Kevin Durant, and Carmello Anthony.

#4. Booker is the 3rd youngest player in NBA history to reach 4000 points, behind only Lebron James and Kevin Durant.

#5. At 21, Booker is already #28 on the Suns all time scorers. Projecting just 21 points a game for 4 seasons played out of 5 on this contract, he will sit at #5 at 26. I thoroughly believe he averages more than 21 points and doesn't miss an entire season. So entering his prime years I will project him at #2 or #3 all time.

#6. Last season's 24.9 points scoring average is good enough for #8 in Suns history. Only TC x2, Amare x2, Barkley x1, and Charlie Scott x1 currently sit ahead of him.

#7. Booker is already #10 on the Suns all time 3 point list. He will likely pass Marjele before this extension is over for #2.

#8. Booker has the 2nd most 30 point games in the first 17 games of a Suns season (Scott #1 with 8) and is tied with Amare with the most consecutive 30 point games (4)

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Those stats are just stunning for a guy who just turned 21. The Suns need Booker a lot more than Booker needs the Suns. Screwing around with this is folly.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Those stats are just stunning for a guy who just turned 21. The Suns need Booker a lot more than Booker needs the Suns. Screwing around with this is folly.

Its like asking your bride for concessions on your wedding day.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Ok fair enough perhaps but aren't the suns trying to get something out of Booker? Is this all about is if he gets a players option at the end of the deal? Maybe.

The suns take 'some' risk extending him a year early. He could get hurt the very next season for all anyone knows. He's gaining security by signing a year early. What are the suns gaining by extending him early? I'd like them to get some concession except props...

There is always risk with every contract. LeBron could blow an achilles in November and be done, and the Lakers would owe him for the rest of the deal.

 

[pokerface]

You keep saying Suns are paying for potential. I say they are paying for production.


#1. From December 29, 2016 to March 11 2017 the Suns were outscored by 103 points in the 413 minutes Booker didn't play. When he did play, they outscored their opponents by 7.

#2. Devin Booker in clutch situations (under 1 minute last season) - 75% on 3 pointers. 100% at the free throw line. 44.4% on total FGs trailing only Lebron James (45.2%) and Kyrie Irving (44.8%)

#3. Booker is the 4th youngest player in NBA history to reach 3000 points, behind only Lebron James, Kevin Durant, and Carmello Anthony.

#4. Booker is the 3rd youngest player in NBA history to reach 4000 points, behind only Lebron James and Kevin Durant.

#5. At 21, Booker is already #28 on the Suns all time scorers. Projecting just 21 points a game for 4 seasons played out of 5 on this contract, he will sit at #5 at 26. I thoroughly believe he averages more than 21 points and doesn't miss an entire season. So entering his prime years I will project him at #2 or #3 all time.

#6. Last season's 24.9 points scoring average is good enough for #8 in Suns history. Only TC x2, Amare x2, Barkley x1, and Charlie Scott x1 currently sit ahead of him.

#7. Booker is already #10 on the Suns all time 3 point list. He will likely pass Marjele before this extension is over for #2.

#8. Booker has the 2nd most 30 point games in the first 17 games of a Suns season (Scott #1 with 8) and is tied with Amare with the most consecutive 30 point games (4)

All that is impressive and it's probably why he'll get max. But it doesn't negate that the suns are trying to negotiate something with Booker.

Plus let me quote myself now from page 33 in case you missed it...

Everything matters. Dont know if it's possible but I'd like a team option on the end of that contact.

For Booker to get early max and security I'd think he'd have to give somewhere. But maybe he has them over a barrel because of production and potential.

 

[JCSunsfan]

All that is impressive and it's probably why he'll get max. But it doesn't negate that the suns are trying to negotiate something with Booker.

Plus let me quote myself now from page 33 in case you missed it...

They are trying to avoid a 5th year PO. That is not because they want to pay him less, but because they do not want him to walk away early. Negotiating for no PO in year five is a compliment to Booker.

You're getting married. And on your wedding day you ask for 1 "free night" with an old girlfriend a month. Not a good idea on your wedding day (or any day).

She asks for an "early out" after ten years. The right message is "no." In fact, if you say "yes" to that you send the wrong message to her.

 

[SirStefan32]

Its like asking your bride for concessions on your wedding day.

AND the bride happens to be five times better-looking than you are, and she makes twice as much money as you do. And she is half your age.

 

[pokerface]

There is always risk with every contract. LeBron could blow an achilles in November and be done, and the Lakers would owe him for the rest of the deal.

LeBron isn't getting an early extension so your point doesn't apply. James isn't coming off a rookie deal. Plus the Cavs don't have a right to match his deal...the suns do next season.

 

[TJ]

You guys don't get it. Part of players values is their contracts. How many times on this board has someone said "Warren is on a good contract"...well that's what makes players more attractive in trades....what they are being paid and length of contracts. Look at Carmelo and how he's screwing the Thunder. Teams get stuck and screwed. We are screwed with Brandon Knight. We got screwed with Penny Hardaway.


My loyalty is more to the organization than individual players. They come and go and get hurt or start sucking. The franchise is eternal.

None of this post has anything to do with Booker.

He's not Carmelo. He is a hard wing, in-shape athlete whose trajectory is sky high. Meanwhile, Carmelo is dead weight (literally and figuratively).

He's not Penny. Booker isn't damaged goods.

Comparing Knight and Booker in any category is a waste, for obvious reasons.

You're afraid of all of the things that can go wrong, when you should consider all of the things that could go right with this move. First and foremost, you're rewarding the unquestioned face of the franchise. By taking care of him, you're sending a message to current and future Suns that you're willing to invest in talent. You're also sending a message to fans that #TankSZN is over. Second, you're investing in what obviously is the upward trajectory of Booker. He's 21 years-old and has been super productive on teams with poor surrounding talent and the worst coaching in NBA history. Imagine what he's going to look like with better talent around him and a coach who knows how to make him successful and not experiment with him.

If you're loyal to the organization, you also have to have faith in what it's doing. I know that seems odd to consider with all of the head-scratchers made by McD, Sarver, et al, but at this point, you have to believe in the moves. Jackson was a great pick. Ayton was an elite pick. While we're not contenders today, you have to be excited for the future. No more handwringing.

 

[pokerface]

They are trying to avoid a 5th year PO. That is not because they want to pay him less, but because they do not want him to walk away early.

You very well could be right....but I hope you are wrong.

 

[JCSunsfan]

My point was that every contract has risks.

 

[GatorAZ]

Can they start the first year of his max deal with the higher number and go in reverse? I don’t expect the Suns to be FA players next summer and would rather his cap hits be lower when guys like Ayton and Jackson are up for new deals (hopefully they’re good enough to warrant it).

 

[TJ]

My point was that every contract has risks.

Bingo. Booker's contract is just less risky than other max players. I love Aaron Gordon, but his trajectory with the Magic is nowhere near Booker's. IMO, that's a riskier contract.

 

[Chaplin]

You very well could be right....but I hope you are wrong.

Why do you hope he's wrong? Do you want to give him a 5th year player option?

The pros of giving him a max FAR outweigh the cons.