Diamondbacks vs. Giants thread April 29 - May 1
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Avondale Red Rage
Just wondering...
This one stings like a bitch...
If your closer is "ready" and you aren't willing to let him ride out the inning then you don't let him hit. Good grief that is basic managing.
The issue isn't pulling him, it is letting him hit second in the order in a one run game one a short leash. It is idiotic.
Brian
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Sorry, but I think you're alone on this. Cahill was only at 88 pitches, is a groundball MACHINE, and Putz is nearly at 50% in save opportunities. Stupid, stupid move on Gibby's part. Should have let Cahill finish it.
No way Sandoval homers off of Cahill.
Screw the players egos. Make Reynolds the closer already. They would be about 5 games up in first place if it wasn't for all the damn blown saves.
I hope Gibby learned something tonight.
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Bell.
He has been pitching well. I'd say Hernandez but he has been pretty much all over the place recently.
Brian
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Maybe you should apply for the job? If Putz would have converted the save you wouldn't have said anything about it. I'm sure Gibson knew all along Cahill was on a short leash going out there. In a tight game like that you expect your closer to CLOSE the game. If we had a 2 or 3 run lead, Cahill finishes the game.
I agree with that much of what you said. Putz has been the weak spot on the weakest part of the team. I can see them "resting" Putz for the next couple of save opportunities, don't see him losing the job permanently though, unfortunately.
No I would have. One thing I am is not shy with my opinions for good or ill. Getting lucky on a bad move doesn't make it the right move.
Brian
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IF you have a closer, then MAYBE I can kinda-sorta see your point (I don't). I knew J.J. was going to lose the game. I just KNEW it. I swear to god I would have bet my life savings on it.
Like Chris said, why in the hell do you let him bat for himself in a one run game if the leash is that short?
Better question...Why was the leash short to begin with?? He was pitching great.
I just think people are quick to point fingers at Gibson. He knows these players more than we ever will. Cahill has a history of suddenly hitting a brick wall. Maybe wouldn't have given up the HR to Sandoval, but they could have scored other ways.
whatever, moot point.
whatever, moot point.
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Yeah, I agree. Time for Putz to get his annual "elbow injury." He totally sucks right now.
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I was at the game and agree with Chris and Brian. If you're going to let him bat second in this tight of game, you can't have him on a short (1 batter) leash in the 9th.
I was very aware of his low pitch count, but I was surprised that they did not pinch hit Parra, Kubel or someone. That run would have been huge.
Instead they get 1 hit, Cahill's gone and Panda homers for the game.
Maybe it just being at the game, but it seemed bottom of the 8th took forever and I was worried about Cahill's arm going cold. I don't usually 2nd guess the manager but I was scratching my head over this whole turn of events.
It was a tough loss, especially with all the Giant's fans around.
I was very aware of his low pitch count, but I was surprised that they did not pinch hit Parra, Kubel or someone. That run would have been huge.
Instead they get 1 hit, Cahill's gone and Panda homers for the game.
Maybe it just being at the game, but it seemed bottom of the 8th took forever and I was worried about Cahill's arm going cold. I don't usually 2nd guess the manager but I was scratching my head over this whole turn of events.
It was a tough loss, especially with all the Giant's fans around.
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Exactly. You have Kimbrel or Romo, it's one thing. JJ has been a train wreck, I knew he was going to blow it.
Yeah this is the worst...
82CardsGrad
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This... Uggggh....
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I know they're reluctant to pull JJ because he's the team leader.
Hey Gibson, we need a new team leader that doesn't suck!
Hey Gibson, we need a new team leader that doesn't suck!
82CardsGrad
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17 save opportunities as a team, and we've blown 9 of them!!! Wow!!!! The next closest teams are the Orioles & Cardinals with 6 blown saves each.
Incredible...
Incredible...
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Yeah, ridiculous.
Time to give Putz "some time off" and let someone else close. Hernandez is the most likely choice, but even he has been fairly sporadic recently. Surprisingly, Bell has been the most consistent aside from a rough few outings at the start.
Time to give Putz "some time off" and let someone else close. Hernandez is the most likely choice, but even he has been fairly sporadic recently. Surprisingly, Bell has been the most consistent aside from a rough few outings at the start.
82CardsGrad
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I love Hernandez, however, even he is still trying to figure things out. I think Reynolds should be a no-brainer decision... Bench Putz for a few games and give Reynolds the closer role. There is NO possible way he can be any worse...
DaCards
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We don't have a closer....go get one cause this will continue to happen! It sucks that we can play good scrappy baseball and our relievers, minus Ziegler, lose the game.
How do we not have a closer? Is there anyone in minors we're bringing along? Is there any hope?
How do we not have a closer? Is there anyone in minors we're bringing along? Is there any hope?
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If the offense could manage to score some runs the BP would not have to be in such leveraged positions all the time. We are tops in the NL in leveraged situations.
Yes, an elite closer having an MVP season would help but the offense needs to take some responsibility for creating so many low scoring games. We are designed that way though per many people's desires. Well blown saves is a by-product of that.
We are 8-12 when we score 5 runs or less and 7-0 when we score more than 5 runs. To play gritty small ball, in a hitters park, you need superstar pitchers on your staff.
Yes, an elite closer having an MVP season would help but the offense needs to take some responsibility for creating so many low scoring games. We are designed that way though per many people's desires. Well blown saves is a by-product of that.
We are 8-12 when we score 5 runs or less and 7-0 when we score more than 5 runs. To play gritty small ball, in a hitters park, you need superstar pitchers on your staff.
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