Did the Suns release Goodwin?

[Mainstreet]

Archie is continuing to look good (stats wise, at least) with the Nets. We knew he could score and he's doing well there so far. What surprised me the most is that his turn overs are less than half his rate here and his assists are up. Fouls are a third of his foul rate here. FG% over .500, FT% at .867 3P% .300. Block rate doubled. Overall offensive efficiency is the highest of any SG. Sample size is 158 minutes so it's all not highly significant but it does suggest he might be an average SG or better. 3P% will be a sore point if he can't push that up to .360 or so.

Mainstreet will not be too surprised. I thought he needed a change of scenery and some time in the D-league for shock value if nothing else but I have to admit I thought he'd likely wind up a star overseas, without being able to quite cut it in the NBA. It's not decided yet, of course, but if he can keep his head on straight he might well make it yet.

Chances are we are going to see what Len can do on another team... it will be quite telling about our player development if he and Archie both bloom elsewhere. I didn't agree with their handling of either player, though of course I was guessing since most of it is out of sight for fans.

I'm not sure the Suns could do anything different in regards Goodwin and Len. Some players need more seasoning before they are ready.

 

[BC867]

I'm not sure the Suns could do anything different in regards Goodwin and Len. Some players need more seasoning before they are ready.

But 'ready' doesn't happen in the snap of a finger. You expect to see steady progress and Len has not shown that. Just because he has the size doesn't mean he has the skills.

A long time ago, the guys and I were playing beach volleyball and, on a play, the player opposite me at the net was 6'10". He attempted a spike on me and blew it. For a volleyball player, he was a good accountant. I thought of that years later when Suns coach John MacLeod used backup Small Forward Joel Kramer as his Center to cover an injury. What was Joel Kramer's profession after he retired? An accountant.

 

[Chaplin]

I'm not sure the Suns could do anything different in regards Goodwin and Len. Some players need more seasoning before they are ready.

Calling Goodwin "ready" is a stretch considering he's on by far the worst team in the league and one of the worst teams to ever be in this league.

Remind me, why are we still discussing this guy? And where is Earl Clark's thread?

 

[Mainstreet]

But 'ready' doesn't happen in the snap of a finger. You expect to see steady progress and Len has not shown that. Just because he has the size doesn't mean he has the skills.

A long time ago, the guys and I were playing beach volleyball and, on a play, the player opposite me at the net was 6'10". He attempted a spike on me and blew it. For a volleyball player, he was a good accountant. I thought of that years later when Suns coach John MacLeod used backup Small Forward Joel Kramer as his Center to cover an injury. What was Joel Kramer's profession after he retired? An accountant.

There are players like Hassan Whiteside that need more time to develop. Len started playing basketball late. I think Len's stats for this season are an aberration. If not, worse case scenario is that Len is a quality backup center. It mostly comes down to money, if the Suns want to pay three centers in Chandler, Williams and Len.

What a person does after their basketball career is mostly irrelevant IMO.

 

[Mainstreet]

Calling Goodwin "ready" is a stretch considering he's on by far the worst team in the league and one of the worst teams to ever be in this league.

Remind me, why are we still discussing this guy? And where is Earl Clark's thread?

I didn't exactly say Goodwin is ready. What I said is some players need more seasoning before they are ready. Archie may need some more time.

 

[leclerc]

I think we're allowed to discuss former Suns players for a little while especially when it's in a separate thread, Mr Chaplin. Please make a thread on Earl Clark. I'd love to catch up.

I find it interesting that guys blossom elsewhere. It goes both ways though, so perhaps player development is okay in Phoenix, but it happens a bit too often for my taste. Hopefully some guys need more time and Suns feel they've gotten enough. A change of scenery does good. Yeah...

 

[SweetD]

I think Goodwin needed a wake up call, that he is not as good as he thinks.

 

[Mainstreet]

Archie Goodwin on instagram today.

"Man oh Man. A year like this can make or break a person. From family deaths to being releaased out of no where to coming back just to get released again unexpected to going to the D League and grinding it out to be back in the NBA. I loved every second of it because it showed me two things. 1. I'm a tough minded SOB to get out of that situation. 2. Not everybody is for you like they say they are. Not too many people called or checked up on me like they use to and that's all good. God just wanted to show me who is really in my corner. With that being said I want to really thank the @brooklynnets for the amazing opportunity presented in front of me. This summer is going to be huge for me and us. I have a lot of work to do so starting today I'm shutting off my phones and social media until the start of next season. I'm locked in and ready to prove to everybody that doubted me that y'all made a huge mistake."

This is the attitude it takes Archie. Go for it.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/spor...uns-archie-goodwin-states-his-case/100429232/

 

[Phrazbit]

I'd have more hope for him if he looked in the mirror and evaluated WHY he flamed out, rather than claiming he got cut "out of no where" when he made a trade request, the Suns tried to help him but no one wanted him, so they did him a favor and let him try to find PT somewhere else, it is a lot of bluster hidden behind a victim's mentality. Guards who cannot shoot, pass or defend are essentially useless. I'm not holding my breath that he will fill us with regret.

It makes sense for the Nets though, they're in wretched shape with virtually no way to improve, they should be rolling the dice on as many early 20s washouts as they can.

 

[Mainstreet]

I'd have more hope for him if he looked in the mirror and evaluated WHY he flamed out, rather than claiming he got cut "out of no where" when he made a trade request, the Suns tried to help him but no one wanted him, so they did him a favor and let him try to find PT somewhere else, it is a lot of bluster hidden behind a victim's mentality. Guards who cannot shoot, pass or defend are essentially useless. I'm not holding my breath that he will fill us with regret.

It makes sense for the Nets though, they're in wretched shape with virtually no way to improve, they should be rolling the dice on as many early 20s washouts as they can.

I think when he said, not many called or checked on him, it sent a message. Hopefully he did look in the mirror and ask why he did not succeed. If he becomes driven, I think he has a chance. However, he needs to find a niche. If he had a 3 point shot, his best chance might be as a 3 and D player. It will take hard work and dedication to get there but he is still young.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

But 'ready' doesn't happen in the snap of a finger. You expect to see steady progress and Len has not shown that. Just because he has the size doesn't mean he has the skills.

A long time ago, the guys and I were playing beach volleyball and, on a play, the player opposite me at the net was 6'10". He attempted a spike on me and blew it. For a volleyball player, he was a good accountant. I thought of that years later when Suns coach John MacLeod used backup Small Forward Joel Kramer as his Center to cover an injury. What was Joel Kramer's profession after he retired? An accountant.

He killed it in the JCC rec league later in life.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Sounds like Archie is ready to put in the time necessary, but he doesn't sound like he's holding himself accountable. I guess time will tell.

 

[sunsfan88]

Calling Goodwin "ready" is a stretch considering he's on by far the worst team in the league and one of the worst teams to ever be in this league.

Remind me, why are we still discussing this guy? And where is Earl Clark's thread?

He obviously didn't mean "ready" as in ready to be an NBA starter or All Star, he meant ready as in ready to belong in the NBA and ready to perhaps be a part of a bench rotation for an NBA team. Yeah the Nets are trash but their still an NBA team.

 

[Hoop Head]

I saw this article posted elsewhere talking about the draft and how you can misfire so badly. They talk about Archie Goodwin a lot, using him as an example of sorts so I decided to post it here rather than the tank thread which has some draft talk. It's a good read though and also a sort of "what could have been" had Archie been a bit more coachable and improved during his time here. Oddly enough we could use an off guard like him with this team, I think he'd be better than DJJ is and would fill more of a hole with Bledsoe sent home, Knight out for the year, and Reed out for the first 4 months of the year or so.

https://cleaningtheglass.com/you-f-up-sometimes/

 

[Errntknght]

Good read, PH. I was wrong about Archie... I thought he was a steal at 29. A few days after the draft I said it was a terrible draft for everyone but the Suns - I liked Len, too. I was more wrong on Len - I predicted he'd be the best center Phoenix ever had - it was such a low bar I didn't think he could fail.

One of the knocks on Archie was that he was uncoachible - and in retrospect I have to admit it seems it must of have been true. At the time I thought they were coaching him wrong - they should have made him work on close in shots like jump hooks, pull up short jumpers, floaters, runners so he had alternatives when his way to the rim was too congested. Perhaps they did but it never showed - he went to the rim every single time - and failed quite consistently when there was anyone defending. Now and then the refs would give him calls and he'd shoot lots of free throws.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

He's baaaaaaaack! #championship

http://arizonasports.com/story/1371...ire-former-phoenix-suns-guard-archie-goodwin/

 

[Suns_fan69]

Archie just needs to develop one elite level skill to stick. Whether that is defense, 3pt shooting, or finishing at the rim. His time is running out but he is still only 23.

 

[StreetTruckinTitan]

The guy keeps turning up like a bad penny.

 

[BC867]

The guy keeps turning up like a bad penny.

So far Archie hasn't lived up to the name GOOD or WIN. Archie Badloss.

 

[Hoop Head]

Surprised he's back with the Suns in any capacity. I thought he would have gone to China or somewhere in Europe by this point.

 

[Superbone]

So far Archie hasn't lived up to the name GOOD or WIN. Archie Badloss.

How about if he's living up to his first name? Archie glad you asked?

 

[BC867]

How about if he's living up to his first name? Archie glad you asked?

I give up. I don't get it. Does he get his nutrition from the golden arches?

Or is that a play on, "Aren't choo glad you asked?"

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

Who is a pirate's favorite Northern Arizona Sun?

Arrrrrrchie Goodwin.

You're all welcome.

 

[Mainstreet]

I'm glad Archie is back with the Suns in some respect.

Go Archie. I still believe.

 

[BC867]

Who is a pirate's favorite Northern Arizona Sun?

Arrrrrrchie Goodwin.

You're all welcome.

Ah!