Do you think Penny and/or Gugliotta will be traded this offseason?

[Dan H]

Penny for Terrell Brandon would make a lot of sense; it gives the T-Wolves a pretty decent complement of players to go along with KG, and it gives the Suns cap relief.

Googs is more valuable, being in the last year of his contract. I think he's less likely to be traded though - we may just keep and let the money come off of OUR books.

 

[JCSunsfan]

It all depends on what the T-Wolves can do in free agency. If they can sign a quality veteran pg or combo guard, then they might not be interested in Penny.

Then they will see if they can get any better offers for Brandon. A lot of ideas have been thrown about.

Penny has had nearly two healthy years (knee-wise) and has been looking pretty good. He doesn't have the same athleticism he once did, but has made up for it with some very smart play.

He might be a better pg than sg right now because his passing ability is still top notch. Minny needs a pg.

I'd say there is still an outside chance.

The bigger question is whether the Suns can win without Penny. They sure didn't do it this last season.

 

[Goldfield]

I cant see them wanting his contract...


I do think Penny would be a very nice fit...


Cassell/Penny/(whats his face)/Garnett make a solid lineup IMO...

 

[jbeecham]

what's his face = Wally Scerbiack (sp?)

 

[SirStefan32]

No way that T-Wolves would swap TB for Penny.
TB's contract will be off the books by January. Wolves have a choice- keep him, and get his contract of their books, or trade him for someone more valuable than Penny.

I don't think Penny is going anywhere, and to be honest I don't want him to go anywhere. This team is so young, I really think they need a veteran like Hardaway.

As far as Googs is concerned, he is very tradable. The question is-Are Jerry and Bryan going to save the money and not improve the team, or spend the money to improve the team.

If they are willing to spend some money, they will trade Googs for some help. If they choose to do that, they will get hit big time next year. (Marion's contract kicks in.)

I am not sure what Jerry has in mind, but I think he will just keep Googs.

Stefan

P.S. If Googs gets traded, it will be in the middle of the season, not now.

 

[SirStefan32]

Originally posted by JCSunsfan

The bigger question is whether the Suns can win without Penny. They sure didn't do it this last season.

Bingo! That is a very good point. Once Penny went down, the Suns fell appart. It was like a completely different team without him.

Can anybody spell "What's his face's" last name without looking it up?

 

[JCSunsfan]

Trading Googs is another matter. His contract is pretty valuable to us right now. We need to get a salary like his off the books.

If we trade him, we will have to take back similar salary. Of course the team trading for him, will be trading for the contract, not Googs himself.

We could trade for a combination of players. Let's say we get two players who make roughly $5.5 million apiece. One has a contract that expires when Goog's does, and the other has a longer term deal. We might find a player we would like that way.

If its a straight up deal, we would have to trade Googs for a player we would be willing to pay $15 million or so in salary (salary plus lux tax). There are very few players out there that are worth that much to the Suns. Its probably safe to say that there are none in that category we could pick up in a trade for Googs.

There might be a player out there with a max contract that ends when Googs does (another really bad contract) and that team just figures Googs is a better fit, even with his limited abilities than the player they have. I'll look around and see if I can find an example.

At this point, I think the chances of Googs being traded are next to nil.

 

[SirStefan32]

Originally posted by JCSunsfan
We could trade for a combination of players. Let's say we get two players who make roughly $5.5 million apiece. One has a contract that expires when Goog's does, and the other has a longer term deal. We might find a player we would like that way.

In that case, we might as well keep Googs and use the mid-level exception on a good vet. Juwan Howard comes to mind.

 

[Goldfield]

We cant trade googs, we NEED the cap space...


But I think Penny is tradable. He played solid last year, if we were able to move both Longley and Dudley we can move penny...


I dont know what team would trade a better player than penny for an expiring contract... Penny isnt that bad right now.

 

[Goldfield]

Originally posted by BEERZ
We cant trade googs, we NEED the cap space...


But I think Penny is tradable. He played solid last year, if we were able to move both Longley and Dudley we can move penny...


I dont know what team would trade a better player than penny for an expiring contract... Penny isnt that bad right now.

Who knows if were threw in a first round pick(they wont have any picks anytime soon) they might go for it...

 

[Chaplin]

Penny isn't going anywhere. It's the same old song and dance. He's a stabilizer but nobody--and I mean nobody--is going to pay for him. There's no other options out there.

Terrell Brandon? Come on--the TWolves might as well keep him and save the money themselves instead of giving another team like the Suns a gift.

 

[SirStefan32]

Originally posted by BEERZ
Who knows if were threw in a first round pick(they wont have any picks anytime soon) they might go for it...

Acctually, I believe the Wolves have served their sentence and now have draft picks just like every other team.

 

[carey]

I'm probably opening myself up for a "duh" comment here, but does anyone remember Colangelo giving Gougliata a handshake no-trade deal?

I remember some talk a while back about this, and there was a lot of speculation that even if a team wanted Googs, that the C's wouldn't trade him. Since then he's gone through a divorce and rehabilitated a serious injury, so the scenario is a bit different.

Of course, when I think of a handshake deal I just wonder why they wouldn't put it in the contract in the first place. I think the C's really rely on their player relations and would not break their word if they did do this.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Here is a list of max type (contracts not on the court value) players with one year left who could reasonably be traded for Googs (cap-wise). Its just a list, and does not represent any realistic trade options. With some the salaries are not close enough for a straight up trade, but it could be done by throwing in a minor contract from one side or the other.

Antione Walker
Abdur-Rahim
Glen Robinson
Theo Ratliff
Ilgauskas
Kobe Bryant
Terrell Brandon
Kerry Kittles
Latrell Sprewell
Iverson
Dale Davis
Ray Allen

Obviously Walker, Rahim, Bryant, Iverson, and Allen are max type of players who will likely be extended by their own team or signed to large contracts by someone else.

Robinson, Kittles, Spree, and Dale Davis are going to take significant paycuts.

Ratliff, Brandon, and maybe Ilgauskas, have such injury problems, their career effectiveness is in real question. Googs would fit in this category.

Ratliff, would be interesting. Don't know why Atlanta would trade him. We would have to throw in a young player or picks to get Atlanta to bite.

Brandon, his contract is more desirable for us than Googs. He is done as a player but would save us lux cap $ even sooner than Googs would. Minny would want a more productive player to make the deal. Picks, young players. Don't see it.

Zee. Nah. I think Cleveland would just as soon keep him.

 

[SirStefan32]

I wouldn't touch any injury prone player with a 10-foot pol. Suns got burned with Googs and Penny, and there is no way I'd take a chance on Ratliff or Z.

 

[fordronken]

The T'Wolves backcourt is pretty stable right now with Hudson and Cassell, then throw in Wally World(who they could absoutely upgrade, but wouldn't just throw somebody ahead of him in the rotation). If they do wind up trading Brandon I could much more easily see it being for a low post player like an Abdur-Rahim(although a talent like his would be unlikely, despite Atlanta doing everything it can to dump salary).

 

[JCSunsfan]

Originally posted by SirStefan32
In that case, we might as well keep Googs and use the mid-level exception on a good vet. Juwan Howard comes to mind.

Thats true. But to do that we would go after the FA with the mid-level NEXT SUMMER, when Googs salary is gone.

A trade like this could bring in a player now, with no additional salary commitment this year.

I guess its really a moot point, since I don't know of a player that fits the scenario.

 

[jbeecham]

Originally posted by SirStefan32
Acctually, I believe the Wolves have served their sentence and now have draft picks just like every other team.

Actually they have not. Originally they lost their 1st rd draft picks for 5 years, then it was reduced to 4 years. They did not have 1st rd picks the last 2 yrs, they had 1 this year and they will not have them for the next 2 yrs.

 

[Dan H]

Just to clarify, IF Googs is traded, it won't be for a player with an expiring contract - that move would make no sense. He'd be traded to a team looking to dump contracts to save cap room.

 

[Joe Mama]

I think it would be a miracle if either of these guys were traded. I can't see any circumstance where Tom Gugliotta is traded. What would the Phoenix Suns want in return for Penny Hardaway? They aren't going to get expiring contracts. Nobody would give those up for Hardaway.

If anybody is traded this summer it will probably be Bo Outlaw, and even that is unlikely.

Joe Mama

 

[Goldfield]

Originally posted by Dan H
Just to clarify, IF Googs is traded, it won't be for a player with an expiring contract - that move would make no sense. He'd be traded to a team looking to dump contracts to save cap room.

Thats what I was thinking...


Why people think Googs is even an option to trade is beyond me... Maybe in years past, but now he is in the last year. There is no way we traded him UNLESS its for a contract that will expire sooner witch is very unlikely...

 

[Goldfield]

Originally posted by Joe Mama
I think it would be a miracle if either of these guys were traded. I can't see any circumstance where Tom Gugliotta is traded. What would the Phoenix Suns want in return for Penny Hardaway? They aren't going to get expiring contracts. Nobody would give those up for Hardaway.

If anybody is traded this summer it will probably be Bo Outlaw, and even that is unlikely.

Joe Mama

I think Penny is more movable that people think.

He is only got what 3 years left? A team looking to get alittle better, to make a push might think about it, since they wouldnt have to give up much at all to get him...

I could sortof see the Wolves being interested, they need to spend money on players to keep Garnett happy. I like what they have dont sofar in the offseason. But I really think Penny would be a great fit over there...

They area team that loves to pass, Penny would work good. If all they have to give up is Brandons contract I think they would consider it...

This is the ONLY trade talk about Penny that I thought had any chance of working... I'm gunna cross my fingers!

 

[Krangodnzr]

There is a better chance of snow in Phoenix, than Hardaway getting traded. Googs has a better chance, though the Suns shouldn't move him. Outlaw has the best chance, but I don't think we would get equal value for him.

 

[Goldfield]

Yes, I wouldnt be suprised if Bo is traded. It is becoming a log jam at the forward spot now anyway...

 

[Chaz]

Wow this talk has been going on forever it seems like.

I think the Suns are better off just waiting it out at this point. Googs will be off the books after this coming season and Penny proved to be valuable this last season, although not as valuable as his contract. Unless we can scam some team in to to giving us a good player I say forget it and wait untill the contracts expire.

Acctually, I believe the Wolves have served their sentence and now have draft picks just like every other team.

SS I think The Wolves still have two more years with no first round pick. Stern just reinstated this years pick to lighten their sentence a little.