Does Breaston's success make it easier to trade Boldin?

[AZ Native]

Why would we want to trade away a player that comes along once in a decade or so?

He said he will play out his contract and not resign.

 

[AtlHawksFan]

Glad to see another Houston Cards fan. There are more of us out there than is thought!

I grew up in the STL and have been in Houston for 15 years. I think you and I may be the only Cards fans in town. I have my sons here with me but unfortunately, I've failed as a father - they're Cowboys fans.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Nope.

Wilson and Boldin must stay on the team.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

If you can get a 1st round pick for him,which is likely,i say you have to trade him.This upcoming draft, according to Charlie Casserly, is going to be the best draft,talentwise, EVER. He says that because all the junior elgibles will be entering the draft because of fear that the new CBA will limit rookie pay. Let's say we could add Maualaga or Orakpo with the Boldin pick and FS William Moore/CB Vontae Davis with their own pick to the defesne. You can't say that wouldn't make the team better.

 

[Russ Smith]

Of course the problem is if Breaston IS good enough to allow us to trade Anquan, we all know Breaston will want to renegotiate because his deal is a deal for a 5th round draft pick, according to MSN he currently makes 426K.

If he's good enough to allow us to trade a Pro Bowl Wr in his prime, the face of the franchise, Breaston's going to want a HUGE raise.

That is the problem with players who come out of nowhere to be really good, they expect to get paid for it just like anybody else.

 

[WildBB]

Most publications I read, have WR as the bottom pf the barrel in impact in a game, You can win with not great WR's, O-Line have a bigger impavt. Boldin is my favorite player, but I dont see him in Red next year, And we see having 1 great WR with a good supporting cast is more then enough, then you need. Ask the Lions how important having a super WR corp mean, it means nothing. The Irvins and Harpers and the Rices and the Taylors of the NFL world have shown us.

As much as I hate to admit it, your right. And that sucks.

 

[Russ Smith]

Most publications I read, have WR as the bottom pf the barrel in impact in a game, You can win with not great WR's, O-Line have a bigger impavt. Boldin is my favorite player, but I dont see him in Red next year, And we see having 1 great WR with a good supporting cast is more then enough, then you need. Ask the Lions how important having a super WR corp mean, it means nothing. The Irvins and Harpers and the Rices and the Taylors of the NFL world have shown us.

While I agree in part notice that the Rams in 99 and the Colts recently both had 2 elite WR's. Holt wasn't at his peak in 99 but they were good when both he and Bruce were among the elite WR's. And Wayne and Harrison were elite when the Colts won it all.

You can win with that but the hard part is retaining them due to contracts.

the Colts solved it by letting Edge go.

 

[john h]

Speaking from the Arizona Cardinals front office prospective. Does the better Breaston performs each week make it easier for the front office to justify trading Boldin?

From a personal stand point I think it would be a terrible PR move, but from a business standpoint there would be more money to go around. I think Breaston is the 3rd WR this team has been searching for since they moved from St. Louis. It would be a shame to move anyone from this team.

First, Breaston I do not think is a one game flash. He looks like the real deal to me and he also is more than a decent returner. Second, we cannot afford Boldin if he want Fitz money. No matter how good he is you cannot tie up that much money in two receivers. Yes, given the choice of Boldin or Breaston it is a no brain-er but Breaston has shown he is a starting quality receiver in the NFL. This makes it much easier to trade Boldin and hopefully we can get excellent value for him. None of us want him to leave but we have needs other than a wide receiver. We already have perhaps the best receiver in the NFL.

 

[WildBB]

While I agree in part notice that the Rams in 99 and the Colts recently both had 2 elite WR's. Holt wasn't at his peak in 99 but they were good when both he and Bruce were among the elite WR's. And Wayne and Harrison were elite when the Colts won it all.

You can win with that but the hard part is retaining them due to contracts.

the Colts solved it by letting Edge go.

History may repeat itself. Watch the rest of this year as the Cards continue to phase in Hightower more.

Between losing Boldin or James , I think that's probobly obvious to most.

 

[Russ Smith]

History may repeat itself. Watch the rest of this year as the Cards continue to phase in Hightower more.

Between losing Boldin or James , I think that's probobly obvious to most.

Agreed.

My one caution on Breaston, and keep in mind my track record with Michigan WR's, whatever I say is wrong.

Breaston is "slightly" built. It remains to be seen how he'd hold up over a 16 game NFL season as a starting Wr. We won't find out this year but we'll find out how he'll hold up as a #3. that's one reason it's so good that JJ has played so well the last 2 games, it allows us to take Breaston off KO returns and at least somewhat reduce the hits he's taking.

It's the same concern I have with DeSean Jackson in Philly, he's starting at WR and the punt returner, he's even lighter than Breaston, he too is off to a terrific start but it remains to be seen if he can hold up the whole year to the rigors of the NFL.

But so far Breaston has been a revelation.

 

[Shane]

Agreed.

My one caution on Breaston, and keep in mind my track record with Michigan WR's, whatever I say is wrong.

Breaston is "slightly" built. It remains to be seen how he'd hold up over a 16 game NFL season as a starting Wr. We won't find out this year but we'll find out how he'll hold up as a #3. that's one reason it's so good that JJ has played so well the last 2 games, it allows us to take Breaston off KO returns and at least somewhat reduce the hits he's taking.

It's the same concern I have with DeSean Jackson in Philly, he's starting at WR and the punt returner, he's even lighter than Breaston, he too is off to a terrific start but it remains to be seen if he can hold up the whole year to the rigors of the NFL.

But so far Breaston has been a revelation.

What did you say about Braylon Edwards Russ? I dont remember?

 

[Pariah]

Of course the problem is if Breaston IS good enough to allow us to trade Anquan, we all know Breaston will want to renegotiate because his deal is a deal for a 5th round draft pick, according to MSN he currently makes 426K.

If he's good enough to allow us to trade a Pro Bowl Wr in his prime, the face of the franchise, Breaston's going to want a HUGE raise.

And he SHOULD be renegotiated...to the contract of a #2 WR. That's the problem with Boldin's renegotiation--he wants (and probably should be) paid like a top-5 WR.

Breaston won't be looking for that contract...probably ever.

 

[1DS]

I was liking Breaston at WR even last season. Just an off the wall thought. As Boldin seems to be so good at running the ball after the catch, I wonder if anyone has thought about him playing at RB. I know it's not going to happen but it's interesting to fantasize what he could do at this position. Again I'm not talking reality here but I think he might be an excellent RB.

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f4/hypothetical-could-anquan-play-rb-93169.html

 

[chickenhead]

It all depends on the deal. The old Cardinals wouldn't get any decent trade offers and would let him play out his contract before a bitter departure via free agency. I'm hoping the new Cardinals deal from a stronger position these days: if they can get a great deal from a team who will renegotiate Q's contract, everyone may end up happy.

 

[Gambit]

I grew up in the STL and have been in Houston for 15 years. I think you and I may be the only Cards fans in town. I have my sons here with me but unfortunately, I've failed as a father - they're Cowboys fans.

I've been here 5, and I have some some Cards bumper stickers around. We are like a secret barbarian army amassing in the forest, soon we will burst forth and overwhelm the "civilized" NFL fans as they trudge unknowingly onward to their cities!

 

[MadCardDisease]

I say make Boldin play another year.

A contract is a contract. Is it fair, no. But hey, that's the way the rules are set up.

No way we give him Fitz money. Fitz has clearly jumped ahead of Boldin as a WR.

 

[Shane]

Fitz has clearly jumped ahead of Boldin as a WR.

How so?

 

[Totally_Red]

While I agree in part notice that the Rams in 99 and the Colts recently both had 2 elite WR's. Holt wasn't at his peak in 99 but they were good when both he and Bruce were among the elite WR's. And Wayne and Harrison were elite when the Colts won it all.

You can win with that but the hard part is retaining them due to contracts.

the Colts solved it by letting Edge go.

One of the reasons for the Rams rapid decline IMO was the departure of Az Hakim in free agency, that and they had a steady stream of turnstyles at right tackle. In the Martz offense, you need at least three good receivers who are intelligent enough to pick up his complex system.

 

[Totally_Red]

I say make Boldin play another year.

A contract is a contract. Is it fair, no. But hey, that's the way the rules are set up.

No way we give him Fitz money. Fitz has clearly jumped ahead of Boldin as a WR.

He's asking $8-million per. Fitz is getting $10-million per. I say give him the 8-million, he's on the same level as Evans and Burress.

 

[MadCardDisease]

How so?

This year Fitz has improved on his one weakness. Yards after the catch.

I've always thought that Boldin was the better WR. Fitz has changed my mind on that. Fitz is now a top 5 WR. Boldin is maybe a top 10 but more like a top 15. Still we are talking about two of the best WRs in the league.

 

[CardsFan88]

You take what you have, there is no guarantee you can get the players good enough at the positions other than wr, that allow you to only have 'mediocre' wr's and win a superbowl. Now ofc in this scenario we have Fitz, breaston, and doucet.

I don't play the game of, what other people think about my team is the right thing, they know more than me, which is bull, because most that are saying stuff, don't watch our games.

You know what those people will say, after you do what they tell you? What are you stupid, you traded or let boldin go?

We are in the envious position to have both. You don't get rid of talent, in the hopes of having talent elsewhere. Whether it be with Q or not with Q, we'll come up against the cap every year. We had Big for awhile, because everyone said we needed a big guy like that. Well it didn't work out very well did it. In fact I'll say, that what we saved by not resigning Davis, who would still be under contract for 4-5 more years, we give that money to Q. So in other words if you need to conceptualize it some way to make it work, do it that way. Pay Q what we saved by not resigning davis.

This is a game of players. Not salaries. Just because salaries fit, doesn't mean players will. You cannot, and anybody would be a fool to believe, that if you got rid of boldin, the money would give you the same type of player at some other position of need. B.S.

You can only fill that gap, with a big impact player, from what is out there. What is out there, in the select years we roll the dice in getting rid of Q, might very well turn out to be nothing special.

If you have a guy in place, that makes sense, it would be a better situation to get rid of him. But even then, I wouldn't suggest it.

Remember when everyone said we were nuts for trading Marion after it happened?

Well Q> Marion.

We have some special players, you never get rid of them.

Don't try to squeeze so much out, we don't need to engineer a 10 team trade because we have 500k cap space left. We're steadily getting players, we can do a lot of restructuring and/or front load contracts, or use LTBE incentives. Maybe it bites us in the butt 3-4 years later however just remember that we have a ton of options on which way to approach things. The cap is going to go up dramatically soon.

I'll venture out and say that any team that resigns it's own players won't be in cap hell after the new CBA. All of these 'big' contracts, will seem like steals. At one time, boldin's current deal was considered a very good deal. Not the best, but a very good one. After the CBA, there will be a ton of players who thought they signed what amounted to max deals, only to find out the new CBA pushes up the threshold another 3-5 million a year, making every contract signed under the old CBA a steal.

Wouldn't we look silly getting rid of Q, because we're scared of the cap, even if it isn't an issue yet, our belts haven't been tightened - nor new punch holes added to it, and people 18 months later are signing deals better than Q signed, except their name is more like, Dwayne Bowe.

Getting rid of Q, simply because of the mantra of cap space and where to spend it, is silly. Doing things like this is how you become 'same ol cardinals'. Think about it. You keep good players. Getting rid of Q, would be an act of thinking too much, and reacting.

 

[Russ Smith]

What did you say about Braylon Edwards Russ? I dont remember?

I don't recall I don't think I was interested in him for us so I didn't have much of an opinion on him.

Great college player though.

 

[Russ Smith]

And he SHOULD be renegotiated...to the contract of a #2 WR. That's the problem with Boldin's renegotiation--he wants (and probably should be) paid like a top-5 WR.

Breaston won't be looking for that contract...probably ever.

Exactly, Breaston's breakout season is still relatively mild in comparison to Fitz and Boldin so while he'll want a new deal, he won't price himself out of ARizona. hell he won't even run out on the field as a starter he's holding that spot for Anquan, he clearly realizes his role on the team.

Now experience says renegotiate his deal, reward him and hope he is happy with the new deal longer than Anquan was.

 

[gusmahler]

Why would we want to trade away a player that comes along once in a decade or so?

1) Because he's always injured.

2) He doesn't want to play for us.

3) We can't afford him.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I was talking about this with my bro just last night, and imo the path is quite clear what this team needs to do salary cap wise: Trade Anquan, let Dansby walk, cut James. Anquan is a fantastic player; I was one of the few people that loved the pick when we drafted him. But his injury problems are alarming, and his value is high at the moment. We could probably snag a mid to late first rounder for him.

Cutting James means we'll either need to add a cheaper veteran or draft one. Either way, unless we have a high first round pick, we'd save money.

Dansby just doesn't produce what a top linebacker does, let him walk and draft a replacement.

With the savings, we'll be able to resign Smith, Berry, and be able to add a few good veteran free agents (Olineman anyone?)