Does Keim Have The Guts to Trade Up In the First Round?

[Mainstreet]

Keim has the guts and willingness to move up in the draft for a QB but only if someone slides within reach.

This could happen in a later round as well, not just the first round.

 

[Buckybird]

If Rosen or Mayfield (or both) are on the board at 6 & Keim doesn’t try & pull the trigger with Indy, he’s a fool

 

[Sun Devil Mania]

If Rosen or Mayfield (or both) are on the board at 6 & Keim doesn’t try & pull the trigger with Indy, he’s a fool

Totally agree! I think one of those two could easily slip into the 6-10 range. I would love to see Keim do whatever it takes to get either one. You might not have a chance to get that type of quality at the QB position for a long time! Would hope he he has the guts to take a chance!

 

[cardpa]

I say Barkley might not be an every down back... I say he is talented but not exactly what people might think

Jet, I think you are underestimating Barkley. Barkley is certainly a three down back. The kid can not only run the rock, he can catch it too. Imagine David Johnson only better. OF course I may be a bit bias as a PSU fan, but I truly believe this kid is the real thing.

 

[NJCardFan]

There's no one in this draft worth moving up for. Just because there are 4 desperate teams at the top doesn't mean you have to be desperate too. This team has a lot of holes to fill and trading up for a QB will leave those holes gaping. Besides, it would have made better sense to tank after Palmer went down. Had we done that, we would have been in the top 5 but we decided to win meaningless games instead.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Cardinals know it will be costly to move up for a quarterback

“Are you willing to put the franchise in a position to be set back for years if you’re not right?” Cardinals General Manager Steve Keim said, via Bob McManaman of the Arizona Republic. “I mean, it can be crippling for us if we traded the next couple drafts to go get a player that has never taken an [NFL] snap and doesn’t have success.”

But Keim added that if you “believe in the player,” then it’s worth the price. A very, very expensive price.

“If it’s a dynamic player at that position that is a game-changer, they’re not going to take anything short of the mortgage for the house, the farm and everything,” Keim said.

Keim regrets passing on Russell Wilson, who the Seahawks took in the third round in 2012.

“I think about the things that I’ve done wrong more so than I think about the things that have gone well,” Keim said. “To me, when you’re a competitor, that’s how you grow and get better in this business, is to be critical of yourself.”

 

[GimmedaBall]

I love the concept on this board that it's somehow Keim not having "the guts" or "the balls" to move up for a QB, like he's afraid of cliff jumping to impress a girl in Ensenada. Like it's some indictment of him as a man.

In reality, he'd be smart - the franchise would be smart - not to panic and give up the future for an unknown guy when all of the evidence shows how much of a disaster it's always been for teams. There's some serious penis envy going on here. Goff shows himself to be halfway adequate and suddenly, some of the fanbase wants to trade away our own equivalent to Gurley to just get any young guy that throws the ball. All while ignoring that Goff's production is 1/3rd Gurley.

That's a bit of a tangent, but more guys have lost their careers than have kept them while betting big on QB trades. I want a QB to lead us into the future as much as anyone, but pretending that blind courage is better than putting in the work and making an educated decision is ridiculous.

Agree.

SK doesn't get the credit he is due for his work with the Cards. He is a student of the game and knows the risk and the historical odds involved in every move that has been made and how it turned out. He is not some yahoo making random impulsive decisions and demands on a fan forum.

http://www.azcardinals.com/team/staff/steve-keim/67a6f19d-011a-4d2a-a8c6-fd9614366f27

Here's what has happened this off-season in terms of player moves:

(1) Cards went in big for Cousins but couldn't match the Vikings. Instead, we signed two young vets in Bradford and Glennon. If either clicks, we have our QB for the next 5-8 years.

(2) Rebuild/retool the OL in order to both pass protect and emphasize the run.

(3) Avoided the big money contracts to 'name' FA.

(4) Both SK and SW have 4 year contracts---moves will be made in that timeline, not in a single draft.

Only Darnold is rated slightly ahead of last year's top QB pick, Mitch Trubinsky in the NFL.com rating system. The other 'top' QB guys in this class are below Trub. Would anyone like to trade several future drafts and/or players to move up for Mitch Trubinsky? The Bears might now take that deal.

SK has a plan---it may not be the one you want and it may not be one that grabs the headlines but at least it is consistent and keeps the Card spending cap under control. That requires more cojones than jumping up in the draft simply to grab NFL headlines for a few days.

 

[GimmedaBall]

we beat this topic up a month ago, lol.

IMO... trade ups are expensive..so if you are gonna do it then do it right... buy the #1 pick...it costs more, but you control your results...

I might be biased because I want Sam Darnold and he aint likely to be there at 5

But Keim wont even trade up to five..... the biggest trade I could see him risking would be 8-10...and that only if his guy is on the board... not "A" guy, but "his" guy

if allen is "his" guy and on the board at 5...he would let denver pick him rather than pay for the 5 pick...or he would wait to see if allen was still on the board at 8 and try a trade with da bears

We certainly did beat this mule but he's out of the barn again. Let's get this draft over and done with---I'm weary of chasing my ass all around the pasture.

Loyal Cardinal fans in southern Missouri waiting for the draft to begin.

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[Stout]

hell...most of us were in favor of picking Carr right where we sat a couple years back

funny how the fans can see we need a guy but somehow the "professionals" cant seam to see it

I can't claim credit there, because I wasn't one of them, though it would really help my cause if I had been

Keim has the guts and willingness to move up in the draft for a QB but only if someone slides within reach.

This could happen in a later round as well, not just the first round.

All evidence to the contrary. He's never done it before, and several times other teams jumped ahead of him to supposedly take QBs we wanted in the 1st. Yes, that is supposition, but it's the most solid evidence we have at this time.

 

[cardncubfan]

Was he smart to not trade up last year?

I would be feeling a hell of a lot better with Deshaun watson or Mahomes right about now - and I was in favor of moving up for them last year.

He tried to trade up last year.

 

[juza76]

He tried to trade up last year.

Really?
Cause mahomes , Watson went few spots ahead of us
He draft conservative, he knows being a Gm in arizona doesn't have much pressure from inside and outside so he doesnt take any risks and will keep his job safe with multiple seasons with 7/9 8/8 9/7

 

[cardncubfan]

Really?
Cause mahomes , Watson went few spots ahead of us
He draft conservative, he knows being a Gm in arizona doesn't have much pressure from inside and outside so he doesnt take any risks and will keep his job safe with multiple season with 7/9 8/8 9/7

What about the 13/3, 11/5, & 10/6 seasons? I guess you forgot about those & only remember the last 2. Last year the whole team was decimated by injuries. Of course that is Keim's fault as well. He broke DJ's wrist & Palmers arm. While he was at it he also busted up Humps knee, Goldens knee, & the rookie return mans wrist along with a few other players.

 

[JeffGollin]

One dude's "lacks guts" is another dude's "wisdom."

 

[Mainstreet]

All evidence to the contrary. He's never done it before, and several times other teams jumped ahead of him to supposedly take QBs we wanted in the 1st. Yes, that is supposition, but it's the most solid evidence we have at this time.

Hope reigns eternal I guess but the Cardinals need a third QB they can groom for the future. I will be disappointed if the Cardinals do not draft a QB in the first couple of rounds.

IMO, the need for a QBOTF has never been stronger but you are right, Bradford and Glennon point to the same old story line.

 

[overseascardfan]

Cardinals know it will be costly to move up for a quarterback

“Are you willing to put the franchise in a position to be set back for years if you’re not right?” Cardinals General Manager Steve Keim said, via Bob McManaman of the Arizona Republic. “I mean, it can be crippling for us if we traded the next couple drafts to go get a player that has never taken an [NFL] snap and doesn’t have success.”

But Keim added that if you “believe in the player,” then it’s worth the price. A very, very expensive price.

“If it’s a dynamic player at that position that is a game-changer, they’re not going to take anything short of the mortgage for the house, the farm and everything,” Keim said.

Keim regrets passing on Russell Wilson, who the Seahawks took in the third round in 2012.

“I think about the things that I’ve done wrong more so than I think about the things that have gone well,” Keim said. “To me, when you’re a competitor, that’s how you grow and get better in this business, is to be critical of yourself.”

This is why I think if Lamar Jackson is there at #15 then he has to roll the dice and take him.

 

[Stout]

He tried to trade up last year.

He didn't try hard enough, or didn't have the guts to give up enough to get it done. Either way, it didn't happen.

 

[Solar7]

Was he smart to not trade up last year?

I would be feeling a hell of a lot better with Deshaun watson or Mahomes right about now - and I was in favor of moving up for them last year.

He didn't try hard enough, or didn't have the guts to give up enough to get it done. Either way, it didn't happen.

As was already said, he tried. The Chiefs and Texans both offered way more to move up than would have been worth it for us to move up one or two picks. Each team offered up first round picks in this year's draft. Would you guys prefer we had offered a 3rd rounder last year and our first rounder this year for either guy?

Keep in mind, Watson looked good for 5 games, but is now on ACL tear #2. Mahomes hasn't thrown a touchdown pass in this league.

 

[GimmedaBall]

One dude's "lacks guts" is another dude's "wisdom."

SK is methodical when he puts together his draft board and has the 'guts' to stick to it. He's not flying by the seat of his pants come draft day and making impulse decisions. One dude's "guts" is another man's "reckless behavior."

Of course you can question his draft board which is different than his ability to stick to his plan going into the draft.

 

[Harry]

The Cards gambled last year and lost. Keim has tremendous confidence in his ability to pick great free agents, but the cost this year is so great he’d be blocked from a move like the Jones deal for 3 years. That would be a huge gamble unless you’re dead certain on the QB.

 

[Buckybird]

He didn't try hard enough, or didn't have the guts to give up enough to get it done. Either way, it didn't happen.

Hey I almost won the lottery & tried very hard lol

 

[Buckybird]

I can't claim credit there, because I wasn't one of them, though it would really help my cause if I had been



All evidence to the contrary. He's never done it before, and several times other teams jumped ahead of him to supposedly take QBs we wanted in the 1st. Yes, that is supposition, but it's the most solid evidence we have at this time.

Dead on brotha! We can get one next year...or the year after...or 3 years down the road! Like a broken freaking record I keep hearing excuses & the same BS

 

[Jetstream Green]

Jet, I think you are underestimating Barkley. Barkley is certainly a three down back. The kid can not only run the rock, he can catch it too. Imagine David Johnson only better. OF course I may be a bit bias as a PSU fan, but I truly believe this kid is the real thing.

I think he is dynamic, but I have reservations to the extent of his ability as a full time back in my opinion

 

[Proximo]

As was already said, he tried. The Chiefs and Texans both offered way more to move up than would have been worth it for us to move up one or two picks. Each team offered up first round picks in this year's draft. Would you guys prefer we had offered a 3rd rounder last year and our first rounder this year for either guy?

Keep in mind, Watson looked good for 5 games, but is now on ACL tear #2. Mahomes hasn't thrown a touchdown pass in this league.

Yes, I would be fine with no first this year, that is a heck of a lot cheaper than moving up this year would cost, and I like both those guys better than mayfield, which is who they are considering moving up for.

 

[cardpa]

I think he is dynamic, but I have reservations to the extent of his ability as a full time back in my opinion

Don't know if you happen to watch any PSU games this past season. Again being a PSU fan I watched a fair number of games. To Barkley's credit he is also a capable blocker. It was not unusual to have him in the backfield picking up blitzes or helping on rushers. I do get your concern however as he never had to carry the entire load at PSU. To that extent though he was used as a receiver quite a bit. I think whomever ends up with him will be very happy.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Bruce Allen had the guts to trade up in 2012. And that worked out well for him.