Does Keim Have The Guts to Trade Up In the First Round?

[Jetstream Green]

Don't know if you happen to watch any PSU games this past season. Again being a PSU fan I watched a fair number of games. To Barkley's credit he is also a capable blocker. It was not unusual to have him in the backfield picking up blitzes or helping on rushers. I do get your concern however as he never had to carry the entire load at PSU. To that extent though he was used as a receiver quite a bit. I think whomever ends up with him will be very happy.

Again, a dynamic player but there is something about him which makes me leery to consider him a 'bell cow' type of player. I would not say by any stretch of the imagination he is just a utility back, but he is going to have to be spelled more often than not

 

[GimmedaBall]

Hey I almost won the lottery & tried very hard lol

But did you have the guts to empty your bank account, cash out your retirement fund, pawn the TV and refrigerator and wedding rings, and steal Junior's piggy bank to buy those lottery tickets?

 

[RugbyMuffin]

But did you have the guts to empty your bank account, cash out your retirement fund, pawn the TV and refrigerator and wedding rings, and steal Junior's piggy bank to buy those lottery tickets?

No.

Logic tells me that is a bad idea. Because if you do not win the lotto then your money situation goes from bad to worse.

.....wonder how that would apply here?

 

[Buckybird]

But did you have the guts to empty your bank account, cash out your retirement fund, pawn the TV and refrigerator and wedding rings, and steal Junior's piggy bank to buy those lottery tickets?

I was be sarcastic I hope you know.

The proven percentages are, the higher a QB is drafted, the better chance at success! No ifs ands or buts about it. Btw, the odds of hitting on a successful NFL QB early in round 1 aren’t even close to being astronomical like the lotto.

But hey, the Cards don’t strike out because they don’t even play the QB game. Let’s just stick to Keim’s philosophy & see if we ever win a Super Bowl title lol.

You can’t be wrong if you’re afraid to be right

 

[Jetstream Green]

I was be sarcastic I hope you know.

The proven percentages are, the higher a QB is drafted, the better chance at success! No ifs ands or buts about it. Btw, the odds of hitting on a successful NFL QB early in round 1 aren’t even close to being astronomical like the lotto.

But hey, the Cards don’t strike out because they don’t even play the QB game. Let’s just stick to Keim’s philosophy & see if we ever win a Super Bowl title lol.

You can’t be wrong if you’re afraid to be right

Buckybird, if Mayfield, Rosen, or Darnold get past the Broncos at five, I think the Cardinals should act with conviction. I would right now be talking to the Colts, getting a feel for what they want so we can get what we want before another team seizes the opportunity. I know the car analogy is being passed around of late, but this whole talk about selecting the best player is like shopping for an engine and even tires when you do not have a transmission... unless you think the rebuilt Bradford transmission can handle playoff speed, after already locking up for multiple teams

 

[Snakester]

If Mayfield is sitting there at 6 he has to try and move up to get him.

 

[Harry]

If Mayfield is sitting there at 6 he has to try and move up to get him.

If Mayfield’s sitting there at 6 would you swap firsts plus give up 2 more firsts and 2 seconds?

 

[Jetstream Green]

Yes, but only one second which should be enough eye candy for the Colts

 

[GimmedaBall]

Doesn’t matter. He doesn’t have the ammo.

This statement sums up the problem for anyone talking about having to move up to get a QB at the top of the draft.

There are plenty of teams looking for a QB either to start or to be their replacement guy for when their aging vet leaves/retires.

Cards are cash poor when it comes to this draft---we only have a single pick at #1, #2, and our two #3 picks. Way too many teams have more to bundle together in terms of picks in this draft. Cards would be giving up future drafts as well as top picks in this one.

Even if SK wanted to jump up for Mayfield, Rosen, etc. there are other teams with the draft pick capital to outbid us. Picks in this draft carry more weight for a GM/coach who want to win ASAP so we will have to dramatically outbid with several future #1's to outbid other teams who can pay now and pay less.

 

[MrYeahBut]

Kiem ranked 10th best GM in league.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...nkings-howie-roseman-kevin-colbert-among-best

 

[GimmedaBall]

Kiem ranked 10th best GM in league.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...nkings-howie-roseman-kevin-colbert-among-best

Amazing. GMs 1 thru 9 all post on this forum!

 

[Solar7]

Yes, I would be fine with no first this year, that is a heck of a lot cheaper than moving up this year would cost, and I like both those guys better than mayfield, which is who they are considering moving up for.

Oh come on. Fans would have rioted in the streets if Keim gave up a first round pick to move up one spot last year.

 

[Solar7]

I was be sarcastic I hope you know.

The proven percentages are, the higher a QB is drafted, the better chance at success! No ifs ands or buts about it. Btw, the odds of hitting on a successful NFL QB early in round 1 aren’t even close to being astronomical like the lotto.

But hey, the Cards don’t strike out because they don’t even play the QB game. Let’s just stick to Keim’s philosophy & see if we ever win a Super Bowl title lol.

You can’t be wrong if you’re afraid to be right

The proven percentages are that trading up is an astronomical failure for every single team in the past 20 years. With maybe two exceptions. Goff and Wentz. Maybe. We'll see what happens.

 

[az240zz]

Hey I almost won the lottery & tried very hard lol

You too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[GimmedaBall]

As bad as the Whiz-Graves duo were before they went down in flames---they knew enough on behalf of the Cards to NOT mortgage the future drafts of the team and go all-in on a trade to get a top pick QB.

The 2012 draft (Whiz-Graves last) has some remarkable similarities to what is playing out here in 2018.

Cards finished 2011 at 8-8 and were at pick #13. The top QBs that went in the first round included Luck, RGIII, Ryan Tannehill, Brandon Weeden (with Brock Ossewieler going in the 2nd round.)

Indy had a miserable record in 2011 (some say they tanked the season to get Luck) and there was no way they were going to trade down from #1.

Next hot QB was RGIII with the Rams on the board at pick #2. Rams had already invested in Bradford and so traded with Washington for 2012 1st round pick (6th overall subsequently traded, Morris Claiborne), 2012 2nd round pick (39th overall, Janoris Jenkins), 2013 1st round pick (22nd overall subsequently traded, Desmond Trufant) and 2014 1st round pick (2nd overall, Greg Robinson)

Next QB off the boards was Tannehill to the Dolphins at pick #8.

At pick #13, Cards took M Floyd. Still available was Weeden at 22. (Cards took Floyd over a host of other players with superior careers).

So---Whiz and Graves in the 2012 season had at QB Skelton, Lindley, Kolb, and Hoyer.

What they didn't do was make the gamble that Washington made to go up for RBIII. Who knows how the injuries would have played out both for RGIII and also Kolb? What we do know is that gamble put Washington at 10-6 in 2012 but then RGIII suffered his injury.

It was 3-13, 4-12, 9-7, 8-7, 7-9.

Realize that if you trade all your chips for one guy, if that one guy goes down----all your eggs have been in one broken basket.

They got back to near .500 with Cousins (a 4th rounder in RGIII's draft) but did not have the core players that would have come with their missing draft picks to surround and support him.

Just say NO to the cost in picks and the high risk gamble to trade up from 15 to the top of the 1st round. There's no Luck and there's no RGIII there to take.

 

[Proximo]

Oh come on. Fans would have rioted in the streets if Keim gave up a first round pick to move up one spot last year.

What - Nobody would riot. They would not have been too happy last year, but they would be happy now.

We would have our qb position solved and be out Reddick big deal.

You cannot honestly tell me you would not prefer that to the situation we are in now.

 

[Solar7]

What - Nobody would riot. They would not have been too happy last year, but they would be happy now.

We would have our qb position solved and be out Reddick big deal.

You cannot honestly tell me you would not prefer that to the situation we are in now.

I would have been furious last year. I would still be pretty unhappy sitting here right now with a decimated roster and a guy with a torn ACL or a guy who hadn't thrown a touchdown pass.

A first round pick to move up one spot? Come on man. Not to mention, last year, 95% of this board was saying "wait until next year, the QBs are better." I remember, because I was one of the few who actually wanted to try to get Watson or Mahomes.

Especially consider how we'd feel if we ended up with Mahomes or Watson taking over for Stanton last year and they looked as unspectacular as Blaine Gabbert did (with no offensive line and such). We'd all be miserable right now and wondering why Keim felt the need to trade a third and first round pick for a total bust. He wouldn't have his job right now.

 

[cardncubfan]

I was be sarcastic I hope you know.

The proven percentages are, the higher a QB is drafted, the better chance at success! No ifs ands or buts about it. Btw, the odds of hitting on a successful NFL QB early in round 1 aren’t even close to being astronomical like the lotto.

But hey, the Cards don’t strike out because they don’t even play the QB game. Let’s just stick to Keim’s philosophy & see if we ever win a Super Bowl title lol.

You can’t be wrong if you’re afraid to be right

If only we would have drafted Logan Thomas in the first instead of the 4th we would have our QBotF.

 

[Proximo]

Half the board is in favor of trading up to top 5 by giving up two 1's and 3 2's right now.

You are too hung up on the moving up one spot - the issue is did you get your qb or not and was it worth it.

2 1's for Mahomes or Watson is better than 2 1's and 3 2's for Mayfield. That is my point.

 

[cardncubfan]

Oh come on. Fans would have rioted in the streets if Keim gave up a first round pick to move up one spot last year.

I wouldn't of if it was for Mahomes.

 

[TJ]

Guts is the wrong word to use. If the value is there and the right person is available, then the move is made. No need to mortgage the future for just any person. Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen and maybe Baker Mayfield are the only players worthy of consideration for using multiple picks to draft.

 

[GimmedaBall]

John Elway looking to trade out of #5:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/john-elway-no-5-pick-is-for-sale/ar-AAw4pk7?li=BBnba9I

 

[Wellthatsjustfine]

I would have been furious last year. I would still be pretty unhappy sitting here right now with a decimated roster and a guy with a torn ACL or a guy who hadn't thrown a touchdown pass.

A first round pick to move up one spot? Come on man. Not to mention, last year, 95% of this board was saying "wait until next year, the QBs are better." I remember, because I was one of the few who actually wanted to try to get Watson or Mahomes.

Especially consider how we'd feel if we ended up with Mahomes or Watson taking over for Stanton last year and they looked as unspectacular as Blaine Gabbert did (with no offensive line and such). We'd all be miserable right now and wondering why Keim felt the need to trade a third and first round pick for a total bust. He wouldn't have his job right now.

I don’t think you’re in the minority, I think you’re completely alone.

 

[GatorAZ]

There’s no such thing as overpaying if you think you have the next Wilson/Wentz.

 

[Stout]

Keim is awesome

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