Doncic gets Triple Double in 22 minutes. First in 11 years

[tibbs84]

My only knock on him is how he leaves his feet on a lot of his passes...that's a recipe for turnovers in the NBA.

 

[rocker]

These playoffs will be interesting for Doncic. It seems teams are able to shut him down with some effort.

Agree. 6'6 - 6'8 aggressive athlete with good footwork can stop him. Greek freak younger brother Thanasis (Panathinaikos) showed this in first two playoff games.

 

[Mainstreet]

These playoffs will be interesting for Doncic. It seems teams are able to shut him down with some effort.

This is not a good sign for Luka. The same with Young.

 

[AzStevenCal]

This is not a good sign for Luka. The same with Young.

In James Harden's second year at ASU, he went 3 for 18 against Temple and Syracuse in the NCAA tourney. A good defense will almost always handcuff the star of a one man team, especially in playoff situations where the coaches have the time and tape they need.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Agree. 6'6 - 6'8 aggressive athlete with good footwork can stop him. Greek freak younger brother Thanasis (Panathinaikos) showed this in first two playoff games.

Has anyone watched the game? Was it a single good defender that shut him down or was he double-teamed? BTW, this is what concerns me about Doncic believers. Some seem to immediately dismiss out of hand a bad game as an aberration. Its not proof he is a bad player by any means, but its worth looking at to see what the issue was.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Has anyone watched the game? Was it a single good defender that shut him down or was he double-teamed? BTW, this is what concerns me about Doncic believers. Some seem to immediately dismiss out of hand a bad game as an aberration. Its not proof he is a bad player by any means, but its worth looking at to see what the issue was.

I see the opposite here far more often and I'm fairly neutral on him.

I'm at the point where nothing he does now will either make me want him, or make me not want him. I'm a lot more confident about this draft than I was a month ago as I no longer worry that we will make a bad choice and take Doncic. If we take him, we'll have good reason to.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I see the opposite here far more often .

Here. Yes.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Has anyone watched the game? Was it a single good defender that shut him down or was he double-teamed?

I'm sure there's some more intricate version available today but it used to be pretty easy to stifle a one man team without actually double teaming him (box and one, for example). Booker faced similar defenses this year in addition to the occasional double and triple teams.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Here. Yes.

Okay. I tend to avoid the Doncic conversations elsewhere because of all the fanboi attention along with the ever-present opposing view. I see (or saw) very few comments on him that didn't run to the extreme, one direction or the other.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Okay. I tend to avoid the Doncic conversations elsewhere because of all the fanboi attention along with the ever-present opposing view. I see (or saw) very few comments on him that didn't run to the extreme, one direction or the other.

That’s what i find so crazy. I feel I’m in an extreme minority residing in the middle. I neither hate nor love him. In fact I think in this draft I only live Ayton. Everyone else I’m ready to take a wait and see. Including Doncic.

 

[Mainstreet]

In the Pre-Lottery poll most of the posters had Doncic going #2 so I don't think anyone is underrating him or overrating him. Most posters see him going in the top 4 picks.

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/forum/threads/money-where-your-mouth-is-pre-lottery.264762/

 

[JCSunsfan]

I'm sure there's some more intricate version available today but it used to be pretty easy to stifle a one man team without actually double teaming him (box and one, for example). Booker faced similar defenses this year in addition to the occasional double and triple teams.

Is Real a one-man team?

 

[AzStevenCal]

Is Real a one-man team?

I don't follow it at all so maybe I'm being suckered by fanboi's but it's my understanding that due to injuries it was basically a one star team. Or at least, a very limited team.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Agree. 6'6 - 6'8 aggressive athlete with good footwork can stop him. Greek freak younger brother Thanasis (Panathinaikos) showed this in first two playoff games.

That’s what scares me so much because Wings in the NBA seem to be the most athletic of the bunch, especially on the best teams.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I don't follow it at all so maybe I'm being suckered by fanboi's but it's my understanding that due to injuries it was basically a one star team. Or at least, a very limited team.

Yeah. I don't know. But I would think that the reputation of that league and team, and all the talk about "playing against men" he would also be playing with full-grown men and established players. I cannot imagine Real Madrid is a one-man team especially when that one man is an 18 year old (or is he 19 now?). But I do not follow them closely, so that is why I was asking.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Yeah. I don't know. But I would think that the reputation of that league and team, and all the talk about "playing against men" he would also be playing with full-grown men and established players. I cannot imagine Real Madrid is a one-man team especially when that one man is an 18 year old (or is he 19 now?). But I do not follow them closely, so that is why I was asking.

especially if he's not even playing on the ball the majority of the time. You'd think if the reports are correct that he's the best player in the league and has elite passing skills, he'd be used as the primary ball handler like a LeBron is.

If he's a one man show, it's super odd that the one man isn't driving the bus the entire game.

 

[Mainstreet]

In James Harden's second year at ASU, he went 3 for 18 against Temple and Syracuse in the NCAA tourney. A good defense will almost always handcuff the star of a one man team, especially in playoff situations where the coaches have the time and tape they need.

I agree, one game stats do not show much.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

especially if he's not even playing on the ball the majority of the time. You'd think if the reports are correct that he's the best player in the league and has elite passing skills, he'd be used as the primary ball handler like a LeBron is.

If he's a one man show, it's super odd that the one man isn't driving the bus the entire game.

You’re being myopic because it fits your argument. Most euro teams don’t have a ball dominant player, no matter how skilled.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Kinda lame. Most of the top draft picks had more than one stinker through the NCAA season and many of them did so in the tourney, the closest thing to the euro playoffs. Remember, Doncic is 18-19. He’s the equivalent of a freshman in college.

And I think lebron’s line, considering he’s a 10+ year nba pro, multiple time nba champion, and multiple time mvp is equivalent to doncic’s line.

Some of you are holding Doncic to an unrealistic level of scrutiny. And it’s inconsistent with the level of scrutiny you’re holding other prospects to.

That’s only because the hype surrounding him is so off the charts.

And this wasn’t his first complete stinker in the playoffs.

 

[Cheesebeef]

You’re being myopic because it fits your argument. Most euro teams don’t have a ball dominant player, no matter how skilled.

If he’s a “one man” team? I’m not even saying ball dominant. I’m asking IF he’s a “one man team”, why is he not even the primary ball handler, which is what others here have said.

 

[JCSunsfan]

especially if he's not even playing on the ball the majority of the time. You'd think if the reports are correct that he's the best player in the league and has elite passing skills, he'd be used as the primary ball handler like a LeBron is.

If he's a one man show, it's super odd that the one man isn't driving the bus the entire game.

I think this article pretty much confirms that Doncic is looked upon as a pg on Real Madrid.

https://www.eurohoops.net/en/trademarks/586391/euroleague-top-3-point-guards/2/

 

[Cheesebeef]

I think this article pretty much confirms that Doncic is looked upon as a pg on Real Madrid.

https://www.eurohoops.net/en/trademarks/586391/euroleague-top-3-point-guards/2/

Ah. Okay... I’ve been mostly going off what his biggest fans say that he’s been playing off ball.

 

[Mainstreet]

I think this article pretty much confirms that Doncic is looked upon as a pg on Real Madrid.

https://www.eurohoops.net/en/trademarks/586391/euroleague-top-3-point-guards/2/

The top three Euro guards are listed as Luka Doncic, Nick Calathes and Norris Cole respectively.

When looking at the other two PGs on the list, this is not elite company.

 

[rocker]

Is Real a one-man team?

No but they have been struggling with injuries throughout the year. Sergio Llull, their leader and captain was out for 8 months, he just came back on playoffs with Panathinaikos. And yes, when he found his rhythm in the third and fourth game Doncic immediately took advantage of pressure release, closing down game 4 and series.
They rotate players on him, that's the main defensiv tactic here. Not so much double team, because he can pass to open guy. To make it clear, to say you could stop him with 6'6-6'8 good defensiv player it doesn't mean you will shoot him down. He will still have an impact on the game, Real did pass Panathinaikos even though they were the best in the league guarding Doncic. Others have more space.

 

[Mainstreet]

Things had been so nice around here for a while . . . guess that’s done. Thx.

I agree. It's so much better this way