Well he gets a pass from some people...he received two MVP's when his defense was just as bad.
What is your point? He got the MVP because of his performance on the offensive end. Did his MVP help win a title? I don't deny that Nash has had an impact on this team and gave us some great regular seasons. However, a measure of success at the end of his tenure still has to be how many rings did he help us win.
What are you talking about?? Amare is not doing "both"....His scoring is great and his defense is weak. To bring in a defensive PF would cut in on Amares minutes and would cut in on the Suns overall scoring. So what are you saying?
Huh??? I was referring to the fact that you can get a defensive minded PG in here and can have a good defensive PF or Center as well. I was saying that having one doesn't preclude you from getting another. I was not saying Amare plays both. If we have to trade to get those type of players in here...so be it.
So what is your point with this? They should have had a "defending" pg instead or that frontcourt defense is a non-factor?
If your PG is so bad he can't keep guys in front of him, I am saying it nullifies much of what your front court does. I am saying Nash gets our bigs into foul trouble or causes bad rotations because we are chasing shooters all over the floor trying to cover for his guy getting by him.
What formula are you ascribing to? You cant plug guys in like its an xbox game for their certain qualities and ignore everything else. I think Nash and his tenure here was wildly viewed as a success even though no titles were won. Or maybe perhaps you'd trade Nash for Fisher or whatever pg was running the Celtics last year becuase they have "rings" now.
Nash tenure here is viewed as a success from what standpoint? Yes, he helped make the Suns relevant again. However, my standards must be higher then yours. Anything short of a ring is not good enough. Nash's tenure is not the first time a Suns team has had a fantastic regular season and went home without a ring. Also, let's not forget that a Nash led team still has never gotten us to the finals.
Would I trade some of those PGs for Nash? Yes. I have always maintained that if we had Billups for instance running this team versus Nash, this team would be closer to a ring. We also wouldn't be forced to run the system we do to "maximize" his strengths.
Check my avatar. I am a Nash fan. However, I am not blind to negatives he was bringing when we first signed the guy. My hope was that this team would put good defensive players around him to cover his weakness on the defensive end. What I didn't know was if that was possible. It appears it's not. So it sounds like you are the one "ignoring certain qualities".
Well golly gee whiz...how many years did it take "the glove" Gary Payton to win his one and only ring? He was practially all world defender PG for years and it took him to travel around to finally get his ring...at the end of his career. I don't think anyone attributed his ring to his defense...his defensive skills actually diminished quite a bit by the time he got a ring.
Did I not say you needed help? Gary Payton could not do it alone and he didn't have much help on that team. Why the hell would you bring up a washed up Gary Payton at the end of his career? The guy couldn't play defense at the end of his career and is not a good example. Let me say it again...no one player at any position is going to make your team a good defensive team.
At any rate, look at how much Billups changed the Nuggets? He plays good defense. I look at it this way, I look at some of the top PG on other teams that play good defense. When I swap Nash out for some of those players I can say this team would be better. We might not score 140 points in a given night but we would be better where it counts.
Suns fans need to look no further then any of the teams that have won the title in the last decade. You don't need to score 140 a night to win a title. You don't even need a PG who can give you 18 assists on even given night. You need a team who can play defense when it counts. As long as Nash is on this roster that will never happen IMO unless by some miracle you can find enough defense to surround him with. Do you really think that will happen?
