Draft Pick Watch

[JCSunsfan]

Thought I would start a thread that just tracks draft pick position. That is the most intriguing thing about this Suns season.

Suns pick: Oddly enough, this might be our best opportunity ever to get a #1 pick in the draft lottery. Too bad it is going to happen in a season where there is no clear #1 pick. Maybe some college player will rise to the surface.

Lakers pick: We are now in January and the Lakers are looking more and more like they are what their record says they are. We might have a slight chance of getting the Lakers lottery pick. If not, we are still looking the Miami pick. Miami is looking disinterested in the regular season and just coasting for the playoffs. Fine by me.

Discuss.

 

[slinslin]

If the season ended today we would have the

#5 - Suns
#12 - Lakers (Nash trade)
#25 - Grizzlies (Lopez trade)
#35 - Suns 2nd
#48 - Nuggets 2nd (Nash trade)

 

[JCSunsfan]

My understanding of the pick coming from Minny for the Lopez trade is as follows (my level of confidence on my accuracy here is very low).

At stake is the Memphis 2013 first round pick or the Minnesota 2013 first round pick.

If MIN is out of the playoffs AND MEM is in. The pick rolls over to the next year. The Memphis pick is then out of the picture.
If MEM is out of the playoffs AND MIN is in. Suns get the MIN pick.
If both MEM and MIN are in the playoffs. Suns get the worst pick of the two.
If both MEM and MIN are out of the playoffs AND MIN remains out of the playoffs for the next 4 years. Suns get two 2nd round picks from MIN. Otherwise, the Suns get the first non-lottery Memphis pick to come up in the next four years.

 

[JCSunsfan]

If the season ended today we would have the

#5 - Suns
#12 - Lakers (Nash trade)
#25 - Grizzlies (Lopez trade)
#35 - Suns 2nd
#48 - Nuggets 2nd (Nash trade)

That's too many picks in one draft for a team that has a poor draft scouting record. I would hope they turn a couple of those into an established player in a trade. Hopefully there is some decent player that needs to be moved at the trade deadline.

 

[slinslin]

That is a stupid idea. This team is still one of the oldest teams in the league and they need those picks. Not to mention 2 of them are 2nd rounders and could be cut anyway.

You can't just deal picks because they have made bad draft decisions in the past. That is not a solution because without solid drafting you will absolutely never build a decent team ever.

And next there is a good chance that whoever they trade for or sign in FA instead of those picks is a bust too or a bad contract. At least rookies are cheap. Childress, Banks, Beasley, Turkoglu etc are not cheap.

If anything I think they should try to move the Memphis pick with Gortat, Beasley to move up for another higher pick or 2014 pick... maybe and cut Shannon Brown or trade him for some 2014 pick.

 

[slinslin]

another option could be to draft a couple of foreign prospects and stash them in europe although I think that is never a good idea.. Westerman and Nogueira are very intriguing second round prospects though.

going by draftexpress

#5 SG 6'6 Goodwin or SG 6'5 McLemore
#12 PG 6'4 Smart, PG 6'3 McCollum or PG/SG 6'6 Carter-Williams or 6'10 SF Dario Saric
#25 G/F 6'5 Victor Oladipo or PG 6'2 Myck Kabongo
#35 F/C 6'9 Patric Young or C 6'11 Lucas Nogueira or PG/SG 6'7 Leo Westermann
#48 well this looks like a crapshoot

 

[AzStevenCal]

That's too many picks in one draft for a team that has a poor draft scouting record. I would hope they turn a couple of those into an established player in a trade. Hopefully there is some decent player that needs to be moved at the trade deadline.

I understand your logic but I think you could easily argue the other way using your same opening statement. There are almost always a certain number of quality players in each draft class, having extra picks in any draft class increases the likelihood we grab someone of value regardless of our organizational scouting prowess.

Steve

 

[Chaplin]

Just a quick note, apparently in addition to Dwight's back problems, he now has a shoulder issue and is getting an MRI today or tomorrow. I think it's similar to the shoulder problem Channing had for so long.

On top of that, rumors (categorically denied by "sources"), Dwight and Kobe had a fight after last night's loss to the Nuggets because Kobe apparently agrees with Shaq's opinion that Dwight is soft. LOL

Will any of this affect Draft positioning? Who knows?

 

[Superbone]

I understand your logic but I think you could easily argue the other way using your same opening statement. There are almost always a certain number of quality players in each draft class, having extra picks in any draft class increases the likelihood we grab someone of value regardless of our organizational scouting prowess.

Steve

I believe that's called the shotgun approach. With the brains of this franchise, we might as well employ the infinite monkey theorem.

 

[jagu]

another option could be to draft a couple of foreign prospects and stash them in europe although I think that is never a good idea.. Westerman and Nogueira are very intriguing second round prospects though.

going by draftexpress

#5 SG 6'6 Goodwin or SG 6'5 McLemore
#12 PG 6'4 Smart, PG 6'3 McCollum or PG/SG 6'6 Carter-Williams or 6'10 SF Dario Saric
#25 G/F 6'5 Victor Oladipo or PG 6'2 Myck Kabongo
#35 F/C 6'9 Patric Young or C 6'11 Lucas Nogueira or PG/SG 6'7 Leo Westermann
#48 well this looks like a crapshoot

And the #5, #12, #25, #35 picks aren't?

 

[slinslin]

And the #5, #12, #25, #35 picks aren't?

There will almost certainly be one or more players available at all those spots that will have long NBA careers.

 

[JCSunsfan]

That is a stupid idea. This team is still one of the oldest teams in the league and they need those picks. Not to mention 2 of them are 2nd rounders and could be cut anyway.

You can't just deal picks because they have made bad draft decisions in the past. That is not a solution because without solid drafting you will absolutely never build a decent team ever.

And next there is a good chance that whoever they trade for or sign in FA instead of those picks is a bust too or a bad contract. At least rookies are cheap. Childress, Banks, Beasley, Turkoglu etc are not cheap.

If anything I think they should try to move the Memphis pick with Gortat, Beasley to move up for another higher pick or 2014 pick... maybe and cut Shannon Brown or trade him for some 2014 pick.

I am not talking about trading ALL of them. Just that sometimes a better established player (like a Gortat, Dudley, Dragic etc) is available and is young and more of a proven commodity. They still HAVE to draft and if they trade it has to be for young players.

Its just really hard to incorporate all those rookies enought to see what you actually have.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Just a quick note, apparently in addition to Dwight's back problems, he now has a shoulder issue and is getting an MRI today or tomorrow. I think it's similar to the shoulder problem Channing had for so long.

On top of that, rumors (categorically denied by "sources"), Dwight and Kobe had a fight after last night's loss to the Nuggets because Kobe apparently agrees with Shaq's opinion that Dwight is soft. LOL

Will any of this affect Draft positioning? Who knows?

Thats fun. Wouldnt it be great to see Dwight leave and Steve retire next summer, while we own their 2015 pick. Could it be that we end up getting two lotto picks for Steve Nash? Totally unlikely but fantastic to think about.

 

[slinslin]

I am not talking about trading ALL of them. Just that sometimes a better established player (like a Gortat, Dudley, Dragic etc) is available and is young and more of a proven commodity. They still HAVE to draft and if they trade it has to be for young players.

Its just really hard to incorporate all those rookies enought to see what you actually have.

Well they will have a lot of time to incorporate them since we are going to be terrible next season too.
And with Andrew Wiggins as an absolute franchise changing player in the draft that would absolutely be the best season since Lebron James to tank it anyway.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Well they will have a lot of time to incorporate them since we are going to be terrible next season too.
And with Andrew Wiggins as an absolute franchise changing player in the draft that would absolutely be the best season since Lebron James to tank it anyway.

Any vid on him?

 

[Phrazbit]

With the news that Love re-fractured his hand I dont see us getting the Minnesota Memphis pick this year.

 

[slinslin]

Howard will miss the next 4 games, out for a week will be re-evaluated next week.

Jordan Hill and Paul Gasol miss at least the next 2 games.

If the Lakers go 2-4 @HOU, @SA, OKC, @CLE, MIL, MIA they are at 17-22 and would have to finish 30-13 to make the playoffs at 47-35.

 

[SunsTzu]

Any vid on him?

Full game. He was the youngest player to participate.


He has a ton of highlight videos on youtube if you want something less time consuming.

 

[slinslin]

15 months younger than Shabazz. He is 6'7 , 6'11 wingspan,great athlete.

T-Mac clone.

 

[Chaplin]

Howard will miss the next 4 games, out for a week will be re-evaluated next week.

Jordan Hill and Paul Gasol miss at least the next 2 games.

If the Lakers go 2-4 @HOU, @SA, OKC, @CLE, MIL, MIA they are at 17-22 and would have to finish 30-13 to make the playoffs at 47-35.

Who plays up front? Both frontcourt starters and primary backup all out for 2 games? Is there even a chance they win those 2?

 

[JCSunsfan]

With the news that Love re-fractured his hand I dont see us getting the Minnesota Memphis pick this year.

Any word on how long he will be out?

Its a double whammy because they might be competing with the Lakers for the #8 spot.

ESPN is projecting that the Lakers will have to go 31-18 from here to the end in order to make the playoffs.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime

 

[hcsilla]

With the news that Love re-fractured his hand I dont see us getting the Minnesota Memphis pick this year.

Minnesota's own 2013 1st round pick to Phoenix (Top-13 Protected in the 2013 NBA Draft, top-13 protected in 2014, top-12 protected in 2015 and top-12 protected in the 2016 NBA Draft). However, if Minnesota is entitled to receive Memphis' own 1st round pick (top 14 protected in the 2013 Draft, top 14 protected in 2014, top 14 protected in 2015, and top 14 protected in the 2016 Draft) via Houston, then Minnesota shall convey the less favorable of the two picks to Phoenix.

We will get this pick even if MIN miss the play-offs as long as MEM reach PO.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Source?

 

[hcsilla]

realgm.com

 

[elindholm]

So let me see if I have this straight. The Suns get:

The worse of the MIN/MEM picks, unless both miss the playoffs (approximately), and

The MIA pick, unless LAL misses the playoffs, in which case the LAL pick.

Is that right?