Draft Prospects thread

[OldDirtMcGirt]

Well maybe having a Chinese star on the Suns will get guys like Amare some spillover votes for the ASG from the Chinese fans!

Yep. And maybe everyone from China won't vote for T-Mac.

 

[cly2tw]

Well maybe having a Chinese star on the Suns will get guys like Amare some spillover votes for the ASG from the Chinese fans!

You are definitely on to something here.

 

[Russ Smith]

I heard on PTI today that Oden doesn't think he's ready for the NBA, and he sees himself as more of a defender and not a scorer. I don't have a link yet but it sounds a lot like he's thinking very seriously of coming back to school. If that's the case, he sounds very mature and aware of his game. How often do we hear a legitimate #1 pick overall say he's not ready yet?

They all say that now but Oden is actually one kid I wouldn't be surprised if he did stay.

INteresting article in today's San Jose Mercury News, apparently Brook Lopez is almost assuredly gone from Stanford but the big surprise is twin brother Robin might go too. The author says in a twist of irony if they play poorly and Stanford loses to Louisville it might be GOOD for the program so it convinces one or both to stay. Brook has been saying he wants to play 2 years and then look into it but it's clear in the article he's already talked to his coach about leaving and the coach says he will be talking to both kids when the season is over.

Brook is a top 10 pick, if Oden doesn't come out he's arguably the best post player in the draft(dont' consider Durant a post he's just a great player).

Robin realizes he might not go until the 2nd round but apparently that doesn't concern him. Article said at the moment they consider themselves a package, if one goes, both go, but that could change.

 

[azirish]

One guy I'd be interested in with the second pick (but probably won't be available after mid teens) is Corey Brewer of Florida. He's skinny (6'9" 185) but very long, athletic, and a good passer. He's not much of a shooter, but scores in transition and on drives to the basket.

So why Brewer? He has the reputation for being the best perimeter defender in college today. Whenever I see him, I think Tayshaun Prince. I could see him as a defensive specialist and possible long term replacement for Marion.

The need for another lock down defender cannot be overemphasized. After Marion and Bell, the Suns don't have anyone else capable of dealing with great offensive opponents. Injuries and fouls can be huge problem.

More important, neither Marion nor Bell are all that long. Having someone off the bench who is tall enough that Dirk, Kobe, Ray Allen, etc. cannot just shoot over would be a huge plus.

Brewer is not likely to last into the 20's, so I'm guessing the Suns would have to trade up to get him.

 

[cly2tw]

One guy I'd be interested in with the second pick (but probably won't be available after mid teens) is Corey Brewer of Florida. He's skinny (6'9" 185) but very long, athletic, and a good passer. He's not much of a shooter, but scores in transition and on drives to the basket.

So why Brewer? He has the reputation for being the best perimeter defender in college today. Whenever I see him, I think Tayshaun Prince. I could see him as a defensive specialist and possible long term replacement for Marion.

The need for another lock down defender cannot be overemphasized. After Marion and Bell, the Suns don't have anyone else capable of dealing with great offensive opponents. Injuries and fouls can be huge problem.

More important, neither Marion nor Bell are all that long. Having someone off the bench who is tall enough that Dirk, Kobe, Ray Allen, etc. cannot just shoot over would be a huge plus.

Brewer is not likely to last into the 20's, so I'm guessing the Suns would have to trade up to get him.

Athletic 2/3 lockdown defenders are not so rare in the league. Buckner, Griffin, Pietrus, Posey all fit in. I was amazed that the Mavs got most of them on their team at one point. Bell was a Mav too. Anyway, my point is we should be able to get one the above mentioned in FA using part of our MLE.

 

[azirish]

Athletic 2/3 lockdown defenders are not so rare in the league. Buckner, Griffin, Pietrus, Posey all fit in. I was amazed that the Mavs got most of them on their team at one point. Bell was a Mav too. Anyway, my point is we should be able to get one the above mentioned in FA using part of our MLE.

What interests me about Brewer is his length to go with quickness and footwork. Most of the other defensive specialists are in the 6'5" to 6'7" range. An extra two to four inches of length can make a huge difference is stopping shooters. Guys like Prince and Kirilenko can really alter games with their defense.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Don't know if anyone has mentioned this but:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6plJTvMW04

Check out this highlight video of Yi JianLian, the music is hilarious.

Of course its a highlight video, but there are some things you can tell from it.

1. Great speed, handles, and footwork for a big man. His movements are quite fluid. Plays like a 6-8 player.

2. Interesting that very few blocks, D, or rebounding is shown. Curious about his timing on blocks and his defensive skills.

3. He's going to get alot of shots blocked in the NBA. He has a little hesitation at the top of his jump shot and actually shoots as he begins his decent. That kind of shot is easy to block. Barbosa and Marion's shots both look weird, but they release quickly. His release is anything but quick.

 

[cly2tw]

3. He's going to get alot of shots blocked in the NBA. He has a little hesitation at the top of his jump shot and actually shoots as he begins his decent. That kind of shot is easy to block. Barbosa and Marion's shots both look weird, but they release quickly. His release is anything but quick.

On the other hand, the hesitation may help you absorb contact impact when going to the hoop strong.


This guy certainly has a unique set of athletic gift and bball skill. Unlike Steve Hunter and other athleticly gifted bigs but without bball intuition, this guy can acquire skills that make him closer to Dirk, Pau, or even KG than to Hunter.

 

[Louis]

How about if Atlanta is kind enough for the Suns to get a 4-9 pick, instead of using it draft a player....

Trade

KT/Diaw/Atl Pick to Memphis for Pau Gasol/Hakim Warrick

 

[azirish]

I honestly believe Gasol isn't going anywhere for deal based on picks. Memphis wants established impact players.

Also, I'm not that excited about Warrick. IMHO, he's too one dimensional.

 

[pkdumas]

We just need to ship Diaw the **** out of here. What a one-hit candy ass wonder.

 

[pokerface]

We just need to ship Diaw the **** out of here. What a one-hit candy ass wonder.

I love the ship him talk when players stocks are at their lowest....like thats some good solution.

We have to ride the Diaw situation out for a while and hope he turns it around which I'm almost sure he will. Its not like he never plays well.

 

[ma_falaa_50]

Its kinda hard to know who Mike d'antoni is going to draft but One thing remains clear that player would be a very talented player. Mike d'antoni has a good eye for talent. Marcus Banks is talented but he has had a hard time adjusting to Mike's sytem.

If Al Horford is avaliable, The suns would get him. I think what makes him better than Joakim noah is his work ethic. Billy Donovan according to dick vitale said any team that drafts Joakim Noah before al horford is making a big mistake.

If kevin Garnett wants to leave the t-wolves, the suns could offer Banks, and diaw but i dnt know if Mchale would do that. He should he owes it to Kevin garnett.KG deserves to be on a contending team.

 

[TheHopToad]

If kevin Garnett wants to leave the t-wolves, the suns could offer Banks, and diaw but i dnt know if Mchale would do that. He should he owes it to Kevin garnett.KG deserves to be on a contending team.

Banks and Diaw for Garnett?? Did I read that right?

Never gonna happen. Change Banks to Barbosa and Diaw to Marion or Stoudemire and maybe you would have McKale's attention.

 

[Treesquid PhD]

Banks and Diaw for Garnett?? Did I read that right?

Never gonna happen. Change Banks to Barbosa and Diaw to Marion or Stoudemire and maybe you would have McKale's attention.

6 months ago it was Amare for Garnett or Gasol, now we don't hear much of that anymore now that Amare is at peak value. Fans always want to trade guys at their lowest point for superstars and somehow think we are doing the other team a huge favor by throwing in Marcus Banks and his 4 years @ 5 million a year.

Any deal for a superstar like Kevin Garnett, the talks are going to start and end with Amare Stoudemire, it's really that simple.

 

[pokerface]

Any deal for a superstar like Kevin Garnett, the talks are going to start and end with Amare Stoudemire, it's really that simple.

Nope, its never that simple. Shaq wasnt traded for an equal type player...why would KG be.

The Twolves more than likley have to take a package deal of some kind. KG's salary alone would demand it. Plus why wouldnt Minny take a package deal....they have a lot more holes than one to fill don't they?

 

[pokerface]

Also, Amares trade value is higher than Garnetts. Amare is WAY younger and nearly as productive.

 

[ma_falaa_50]

Nope, its never that simple. Shaq wasnt traded for an equal type player...why would KG be.

The Twolves more than likley have to take a package deal of some kind. KG's salary alone would demand it. Plus why wouldnt Minny take a package deal....they have a lot more holes than one to fill don't they?

My point exactly- if shaq can get traded for unequal value. U know KG can be traded as well. the thing is banks and Diaw is a about equal in value for KG. Banks is a very talented player and he had his best yrs with the t-wolves- im sure Mchale remembers that. if they take diaw- they can get a player that has the ability to play well and wont leave. his contract extention starts this offseason.

Although Diaw has played **** since amare got but mainly because he is not assertive. If he goes to Minnesota- he gets the ball more.

the thing my proposed trade hinges on is mchale lack of GM intellegence. He prolly cant get anyone more talented and young for KG outside from Banks and Diaw.

 

[ma_falaa_50]

Nope, its never that simple. Shaq wasnt traded for an equal type player...why would KG be.

The Twolves more than likley have to take a package deal of some kind. KG's salary alone would demand it. Plus why wouldnt Minny take a package deal....they have a lot more holes than one to fill don't they?

My point exactly- if shaq can get traded for unequal value. U know KG can be traded as well. the thing is banks and Diaw is a about equal in value for KG. Banks is a very talented player and he had his best yrs with the t-wolves- im sure Mchale remembers that. if they take diaw- they can get a player that has the ability to play well and wont leave. his contract extention starts this offseason.

Although Diaw has played **** since amare got but mainly because he is not assertive. If he goes to Minnesota- he gets the ball more.

the thing my proposed trade hinges on is mchale lack of GM intellegence. He prolly cant get anyone more talented and young for KG outside from Banks and Diaw.

 

[Louis]

My point exactly- if shaq can get traded for unequal value. U know KG can be traded as well. the thing is banks and Diaw is a about equal in value for KG. Banks is a very talented player and he had his best yrs with the t-wolves- im sure Mchale remembers that. if they take diaw- they can get a player that has the ability to play well and wont leave. his contract extention starts this offseason.

Although Diaw has played **** since amare got but mainly because he is not assertive. If he goes to Minnesota- he gets the ball more.

the thing my proposed trade hinges on is mchale lack of GM intellegence. He prolly cant get anyone more talented and young for KG outside from Banks and Diaw.

1. The Shaq trade was forced by the Kobe/Shaq drama. The Lakers had to take the best deal available. Everybody involved in the bargaining knew it.

2. Marcus Banks played 40 games total for the Wolves. Starting 29 of them. The Wolves lost 18 of those 29 games.

The only way KG is going anywhere is if he demands to be traded or opts out of next season. He has a PO for $22,000,000 next season and if he takes that he is guaranteed $24,000,000 the following season.

Next season Diaw/Banks will make a combined $12,888,000 and $13,176,000 the following season. Well below the required money that needs to be matched for the trade to work.

If Minnesota ends up having to deal KG, assuming KG just doesn't opt out and leave, they'll want some very good picks.

 

[ma_falaa_50]

1. The Shaq trade was forced by the Kobe/Shaq drama. The Lakers had to take the best deal available. Everybody involved in the bargaining knew it.

2. Marcus Banks played 40 games total for the Wolves. Starting 29 of them. The Wolves lost 18 of those 29 games.

The only way KG is going anywhere is if he demands to be traded or opts out of next season. He has a PO for $22,000,000 next season and if he takes that he is guaranteed $24,000,000 the following season.

Next season Diaw/Banks will make a combined $12,888,000 and $13,176,000 the following season. Well below the required money that needs to be matched for the trade to work.

If Minnesota ends up having to deal KG, assuming KG just doesn't opt out and leave, they'll want some very good picks.

well, im sure u can add more players, cash or picks but my main point is the suns have the right type of talent that can help minnesota rebuild. If we get KG. we dnt really need 3 draft picks. we just need to keep the lottery pick.

by the way, I said marcus banks played well in mInnesota, they reason they lost a lot of games is because of the lack of team chemistry. Marcus is not exactly the reason for that.

As for shaq and LA trade. the drama was more than jus shaq vs Kobe it was Shaq versus the Laker organization (not keeping phil jackson and choosing kobe to be the future instead of him). Garnett may not want to leave minnesota because he is very loyal but If they are rebuilding again its only common courtesy for Mchale to reward his star player by moving him to a better championsip contending team. If they havnt won with him might as well move on.

 

[ma_falaa_50]

1. The Shaq trade was forced by the Kobe/Shaq drama. The Lakers had to take the best deal available. Everybody involved in the bargaining knew it.

2. Marcus Banks played 40 games total for the Wolves. Starting 29 of them. The Wolves lost 18 of those 29 games.

The only way KG is going anywhere is if he demands to be traded or opts out of next season. He has a PO for $22,000,000 next season and if he takes that he is guaranteed $24,000,000 the following season.

Next season Diaw/Banks will make a combined $12,888,000 and $13,176,000 the following season. Well below the required money that needs to be matched for the trade to work.

If Minnesota ends up having to deal KG, assuming KG just doesn't opt out and leave, they'll want some very good picks.

well, im sure u can add more players, cash or picks but my main point is the suns have the right type of talent that can help minnesota rebuild. If we get KG. we dnt really need 3 draft picks. we just need to keep the lottery pick.

by the way, I said marcus banks played well in mInnesota, the reason they lost a lot of games is because of the lack of team chemistry. Marcus is not exactly the reason for that.

As for shaq and LA trade. the drama was more than jus shaq vs Kobe it was Shaq versus the Laker organization (not keeping phil jackson and choosing kobe to be the future instead of him). Garnett may not want to leave minnesota because he is very loyal but If they are rebuilding again its only common courtesy for Mchale to reward his star player by moving him to a better championsip contending team. If they havnt won with him might as well move on.

 

[wireonfire]

Yao commented recently the Suns would be a perfect team for Yi because of his playing style.

Yi did play against Team USA last summer twice, averaging 13.5/8.

Here is his latest dunk in the 1st game of the CBA finals. And it is in NBA daily top 10 plays, ranked at No.8.

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I don't know where this attitude rumor mentioned by some guy here came from. He normally is a good kid, but he did start a fight after a Puerto Rico player broke his nose that got both national teams into an all-out brawl.

 

[slinslin]

Julian Wright would be an instant contributor on the Suns.

 

[panfolk]

Julian Wright would be an instant contributor on the Suns.

How's his outside shot? Wouldn't we have similar problems with him that we have with Diaw now?